Mcbean
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wow sadly missed it - but who owns it ?
wow sadly missed it - but who owns it ?
wow sadly missed it - but who owns it ?
I guess Russian planes have been banned from our airspace ?According to wiki most are owned by Russian and Ukraine and one by the UAE it flew straight down the centre of the country and was over the south coast, I couldn’t tell from its markings who owned it unfortunately
I guess Russian planes have been banned from our airspace ?
It was alone and I would imagine if Russian it would have had some fighters escorting it.
I'm not sure today's mutual military aid agreement with Sweeden and Finland is a good idea. Those countries arnt in NATO, so If Russia were to attack them, and we go to their aid, and our troops are engaged by Russian forces, what do NATO do?
This could be a fast track to NATO getting involved in military conflict directly with the Russian military, which is not something that I'd be actively encouraging at the moment, especially given Putin's state of mind.
I'm not saying we should do nothing, that's completely missing my point (although it's not the first time you've read one of my posts and completely misunderstood it) it seems a bit of unnecessary sabre rattling from Bojo to go out on a limb unilaterally without NATO or the UN support.Yes just best let Putin 'crack on with it' and invade where he likes, commit as many war crimes as he likes, and only intervene if he sets foot in Estonia
Have we actually said aid in terms of British boots on the ground? I haven’t read the details yet but from the headline I took it to mean military aid in the same vain of the aid we’ve given to Ukraine. Which if I’ve gotten that that right I’ll give Boris some credit for it. The nuclear deterrent is currently looking pretty useless against Putins aggression towards it’s neighbours. The thought of another ground invasion against a motivated and well equipped army on the other hand is probably the best deterrent against Putin.I'm not sure today's mutual military aid agreement with Sweeden and Finland is a good idea. Those countries arnt in NATO, so If Russia were to attack them, and we go to their aid, and our troops are engaged by Russian forces, what do NATO do?
This could be a fast track to NATO getting involved in military conflict directly with the Russian military, which is not something that I'd be actively encouraging at the moment, especially given Putin's state of mind.
I'm not saying we should do nothing, that's completely missing my point (although it's not the first time you've read one of my posts and completely misunderstood it) it seems a bit of unnecessary sabre rattling from Bojo to go out on a limb unilaterally without NATO or the UN support.
Almost as if he wants his own Churchill moment.
As Finland for deffo don't have any plans to join NATO we are at the "spout any nonsense and the western media will post it as a new serious issue" stage of the news cycle
Russia’s reputation as an elite fighting force has been completely trashed. They’re stuck in WW2 and think weight of numbers is good enough for victory. The world has moved on.
Gosh celebrating the deaths of 1000 troops doesn’t feel nice
No, but I feel we need to. That's 1000 less troops raping women and children and shooting and killing innocent civiliansGosh celebrating the deaths of 1000 troops doesn’t feel nice
I doubt that all Russian soldiers are monsters much like not all Ukrainian soldiers are saintsNo, but I feel we need to. That's 1000 less troops raping women and children and shooting and killing innocent civilians
No, that is very true, but we are hearing a lot of stories of such atrocities.I doubt that all Russian soldiers are monsters much like not all Ukrainian soldiers are saints
Course it’s the nature of warfare for those not on our side to be made out to be monsters and those on our side to be brave and courageous.No, that is very true, but we are hearing a lot of stories of such atrocities.
Literally video footage of war crimes by Russian soldiers. Have a day off Pete.Course it’s the nature of warfare for those not on our side to be made out to be monsters and those on our side to be brave and courageous.
Yup. This is against civilians in Ukraine. Many pieces of evidence.Literally video footage of war crimes by Russian soldiers. Have a day off Pete.
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What?? Bloody hell man. I know individuals are responsible for war crimes ffs. Let’s dehumanise every Russian soldier so we can keep the animosity into generation after generation ffsLiterally video footage of war crimes by Russian soldiers. Have a day off Pete.
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Absolutely that is without question Otis I accept that completely and utterlyYup. This is against civilians in Ukraine. Many pieces of evidence.
It's not every Russian soldier obviously. But there have been many, many reports of women and children raped and killed and innocent civilians shot even when surrendering.What?? Bloody hell man. I know individuals are responsible for war crimes ffs. Let’s dehumanise every Russian soldier so we can keep the animosity into generation after generation ffs
Course it’s the nature of warfare for those not on our side to be made out to be monsters and those on our side to be brave and courageous.
What?? Bloody hell man. I know individuals are responsible for war crimes ffs. Let’s dehumanise every Russian soldier so we can keep the animosity into generation after generation ffs
I'm not someone who supports the death penalty at all, even for such clear atrocities as this, as it just brings the normal people more in line with the nutcases and we should rise above it, but the world will be a better place when Putin is no longer part of it. But I feel that end needs to come at either his own or the Russian people's hand.I get exactly where you're coming from, Pete. It never feels right to celebrate slaughter.
Some of those Russian soldiers though, seem to be willing to act in ways so terrible that they deserve everything they get, and more. Some are also going to be frightened teenagers that don't want to be there and would probably do anything to just go home.
The one thing I would say though, is that there seems to be such a high level of war crimes that it has to be a deliberate policy, perhaps to terrify and cow the occupied areas. It's horrific.
It'll likely never happen, but I wouldn't shed many tears if Putin ended up with a short rope and a long drop.
Its not celebrating, it's just reporting news.Gosh celebrating the deaths of 1000 troops doesn’t feel nice
I also saw reports of them raping men and then killing them. It’s hardly a war either, it’s an unprovoked invasion.Its not celebrating, it's just reporting news.
Those troops are illegally invading Ukraine, what Ukraine have done in the reported instance is legitimate warfare defending themselves from incoming military force. Unlike the Russians and all the war crimes they have and are committing - targeting civilian areas, kidnapping of people, rape of children and women, committing genocide, murdering civilians in cold blood that have surrendered and are bound and defenceless.
Whilst I dont celebrate anyone dying, those 1000 deaths are all on Putin.
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