With a face like that, who could blame him.I can’t see Sergei Labarov refusing
I agree but the threat alone, however small , has had the desired effect. We're not going in.He can give the order but if people refuse to follow it is meaningless. Do people lower down the command chain agree that the world should be ended because they can’t erase Ukraine? I don’t think many do.
I agree but the threat alone, however small , has had the desired effect. We're not going in.
At the risk of being nuked ? Personally I don't think Russia would nuke anyone, but I think it's best the west arm Ukraine to the hilt, as well as bolster a the Baltic States, Poland etc.Could wipe out their WW2 era armies in a few days
At the risk of being nuked ? Personally I don't think Russia would nuke anyone, but I think it's best the west arm Ukraine to the hilt, as well as bolster a the Baltic States, Poland etc.
Sadly I can't see Ukraine holding out in the east forever and I think the sheer volume of bombardment from Russia will win . What they will inherit is of their own making and God knows what they will do with it if Ukraine continues a geurilla war there.
The danger comes later if Russia annexes the Donbas in full. If they then decide to invade more of central Ukraine I fear we're entering a very dangerous period.
More news coming out about Mariupol today, seems like it wasn't really reported properly at all.
Did anyone see much about this? I'm getting pretty tired of the media these days. They seem so lazy as well.
More news coming out about Mariupol today, seems like it wasn't really reported properly at all.
Did anyone see much about this? I'm getting pretty tired of the media these days. They seem so lazy as well.
What are you seeing?
I've not seen any new news since the "surrender" of the Steel plant a few days ago......and I can't see any specific updates on the MSM sites today.....
What have you seen or read thats happened, allegedly or otherwise, that has not been reported properly?
I'm not sure I'd characterize the journalists running around a warzone in Ukraine as being lazy.
I would if they aren't reporting the situation accurately and honestly. Many of them aren't even there anyway, they're just picking up bits of selective information that suits them to then beam out to the general public.
What have they reported inaccurately and dishonestly?
Personally I think the reporters in Ukraine deserve a lot of credit.
I think so many people want Ukraine to win that the reporting hasn't been impartial or given us an accurate view of what is happening there very well at all. I get it, I want them to win too, but I'm not sure the coverage has been unbiased or well presented.
Do you have any examples? I'm not sure what you're basing this on. Are you on the ground?
Do you have any examples? I'm not sure what you're basing this on. Are you on the ground?
Examples of what? I am just stating my opinion. If you think the reporting hasn't at all been one sided then that is also your opinion.
We know Russia have screwed up this invasion, but to what level is hard to say for sure. I don't feel it has been covered well whatsoever.
I'm just asking for examples of where the reporting has been inaccurate, as you claim it has been.
Do you think the reporting on this war has been one sided towards Ukraine? Even a little bit? If you don't then it is largely irrelevant what I post, but I bet you can tell me a lot more about Ukraine than Russia, and that is not only because the latter is dishonest.
I would personally like to know more about what Russia are doing, and this isn't the media's focus. They seem quite happy to tell you that one of their soldier's have been jailed for war crimes, but don't really give a great deal of spotlight to the fact an entire Ukrainian city has been taken over by Russians. Of course, if you go looking for information you can generally find some stuff buried there, but it is naive to think there isn't a slant towards wanting to tell the world how great Ukraine are doing being pushed to the front of the headlines. Whilst I wish that was all entirely true, it isn't fully accurate or honest as I have said.
You're asking me for my opinions, but I thought we were dealing in matters of fact - I'm asking you specifically about your claims that certain reporting in Ukraine has been inaccurate. What were you referring to?
Facts about what? I think you have taken my original post and just run down an alleyway here. I am referring to the entire war, and I don't feel there has been an accurate level of reporting over the whole thing, mainly because everyone is so intent on wanting Ukraine to win (which as I said I understood). If you can find me a machine which can process every news article in the world and then give me the outcome, let me know and we can turn opinions into statistics and debate, but if you aren't going to answer my questions either then I think it is probably pointless to continue this discussion.
Facts about what? I think you have taken my original post and just run down an alleyway here. I am referring to the entire war, and I don't feel there has been an accurate level of reporting over the whole thing, mainly because everyone is so intent on wanting Ukraine to win (which as I said I understood). If you can find me a machine which can process every news article in the world and then give me the outcome, let me know and we can turn opinions into statistics and debate, but if you aren't going to answer my questions either then I think it is probably pointless to continue this discussion.
Yeah, we don't need a machine, I'm just looking for one example where the reporting was inaccurate. Do you have any?
You're entitled to your opinion that media reporting of the war hasn't focused enough on what Russia is doing, or has "buried" news of Russian victories (I disagree completely with both). But even if I gave you the benefit of the doubt, I think it's grossly unfair to the journalists on the ground in Ukraine to call them lazy and dishonest. They're risking their lives to try and show the world what's going on - it's not a safe, or easy gig, it's not an exact science, and they will invariably get things wrong, or frame stories in ways you disagree with. But what's the alternative? You'd rather they all just go home instead?
We should all be cynical when it comes to war reporting, and you'd be a fool to hold up any war reporter's story as gospel. But if you want to start writing them all off as lazy, dishonest amateurs then there's only one group of people who that benefits, and it sure as shit isn't the ordinary people on the ground.
I just think he means give an example where reporting didn’t match reality.
Well you just confirmed my suspicions really. You have run down an alleyway on one comment I have made and gone all strawman argument. I have never said all journalists are lazy, and I have never said every single one of them in Ukraine aren't doing their jobs properly. I have pointed out that in my view the standard of journalism is slipping and that the picture we are getting here is not a true reflection of the entire war story. I think you are extremely naive if you think otherwise to be honest, but I am not even sure that is what we are arguing about as you are playing the man and not the ball.
You can look at Mariupol, you can look at war crimes committed by Ukrainian soldiers, you can look at individual battles taken in different locations, the fake ´ghostman´, or even the fluctuating (in some circumstances downwards) death figures, movements of the Russian forces, hardware owned or destroyed and the hyper-focus when it something on the Russian side. The list goes on, but again you know that. I suspect your experience with the CET has probably put you in the journalists union, but I don't think you are looking at the bigger picture here.
In your last paragraph you say we should be cynical when it comes to war reporting, but you have been demonstrating the complete opposite by trying to do everything this afternoon to defend the credibility of journalists without being open minded about what I am saying at all. I personally think it is therefore pointless to continue this discussion with you.
well when an evacuation is a surrender?
It looks like the whole city has fallen. I genuinely had no idea it had happened!
That was obvious, and reported, a good few days (maybe even a week or two) ago. The Russians had control of everything but the steelworks. The steelworks was surrendered, ergo the Russians have conquered the city.
Nowt to do with misreporting. If you missed it that’s on you, not the journalists.
The Russians had control of everything but the steelworks. The steelworks was surrendered, ergo the Russians have conquered the city.
So you're complaint is that you had no idea that Mariupol had fallen, then admit you don't follow mainstream news. So how was mainstream news supposed to inform you? Telepathy?I found out mariupol had fallen through twitter
I will admit I do not watch mainstream news at all anymore .
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