USSR invades Ukraine. (86 Viewers)

PVA · Sep 28, 2023

Interesting article on Ukraine's drone strikes in Russia (and ties in with what I was saying about Ukraine hitting different targets while they scale back on the counter offensive temporarily) :

Ukraine’s drone army is bringing Putin’s invasion home to Russia

Ukraine's increasingly formidable drone army is enabling Kyiv to bring Vladimir Putin's invasion home to Russia and strike strategic targets throughout the Russian Federation, writes Mykola Bielieskov.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

PVA · Sep 28, 2023

Sick Boy said:
Without western support the whole thing would have been over months ago. It’s naive to think otherwise. However, considering our very own general claimed that even Ireland could defeat Russia, things must be going very badly for Ukraine.

I'm sure he was being deadly serious when he said Ireland could defeat Russia.

Sick Boy · Sep 28, 2023

PVA said:
I'm sure he was being deadly serious when he said Ireland could defeat Russia.

He’s told he’s us on the frontline in Canada, so he obviously knows what he’s on about.

Grendel · Sep 28, 2023

PVA said:
I have answered, it's not my fault if you choose to ignore it or if you don't understand the word progress.

And as for how many years it will take to get to the border, you do realise its not a case of 'well they are progressing by Xkm a day, so it will take Y days to take the remaining XYkm to get to the border'. Even you aren't that simple. Or are you?

I do wonder if your objection to the word retard is it was your nickname at school.

So from your expert analysis what is your interpretation of your own link - I mean surely you have a view on it?

Grendel · Sep 28, 2023

The armchair general remains consistent at least

Grendel · Sep 28, 2023

PVA said:
Interesting article on Ukraine's drone strikes in Russia (and ties in with what I was saying about Ukraine hitting different targets while they scale back on the counter offensive temporarily) :

Ukraine’s drone army is bringing Putin’s invasion home to Russia

Ukraine's increasingly formidable drone army is enabling Kyiv to bring Vladimir Putin's invasion home to Russia and strike strategic targets throughout the Russian Federation, writes Mykola Bielieskov.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

I’m surprised Russia haven’t crumbled to defeat and I’m sure if Mr Putin sees this it’s a game changer

Sick Boy · Sep 28, 2023

You have to wonder how much money has ended up in the hands of these lot - Commentary: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem - no doubt the ‘goodie’ type of nazi.

Grendel · Sep 28, 2023

PVA said:
I'm sure he was being deadly serious when he said Ireland could defeat Russia.

Oh so you take certain comments literally and not others - how predictable

PVA · Sep 28, 2023

Grendel said:
I do wonder if your objection to the word retard is it was your nickname at school.

So from your expert analysis what is your interpretation of your own link - I mean surely you have a view on it?

No my objection to that word is that it's offensive.

And I've given my view you tedious bore.

PVA · Sep 28, 2023

Grendel said:
I’m surprised Russia haven’t crumbled to defeat and I’m sure if Mr Putin sees this it’s a game changer

Thick c**t.

Grendel · Sep 28, 2023

PVA said:
No my objection to that word is that it's offensive.

And I've given my view you tedious bore.

You haven’t as your never have a view or opinion - I’ve asked 5 times now for your interpretation of your own link and a view.

You offer nothing to this discussion

Grendel · Sep 28, 2023

PVA said:
Thick c**t.

Oh dear. That’s rather aggressive. Don’t like challenges do you armchair general?

PVA · Sep 28, 2023

Grendel said:
You haven’t as your never have a view or opinion - I’ve asked 5 times now for your interpretation of your own link and a view.

You offer nothing to this discussion

All my opinions are wrong but I never have an opinion

That's like USA want Ukraine wiped off the map but also want to arm them and weaken Russia

Grendel · Sep 28, 2023

PVA said:
All my opinions are wrong but I never have an opinion

That's like USA want Ukraine wiped off the map but also want to arm them and weaken Russia

But if you take that literally then you also took the original armchair generals comments about Ireland and Russia literally?

skybluetony176 · Sep 28, 2023

Sick Boy said:
Without western support the whole thing would have been over months ago. It’s naive to think otherwise. However, considering our very own general claimed that even Ireland could defeat Russia, things must be going very badly for Ukraine.

It would be far from over. It would just have been a different type of war. A guerrilla war of resistance. Longer and bloodier. Ukraine is a nation that was never going to bend from day one and that was evident on day one when house wives were confronting Russian soldiers in the streets, telling them to go home to their mothers, there’s only death for you here, putting seeds in their pockets telling them that it’s so flowers will grow from their corpse. Whole communities coming together to make Molotov cocktails on an industrial scale. Ukrainian men in their 50’s and 60’s who served in the army of the Soviet Union volunteering to join the Ukrainian army to fight their former comrades. Hordes and hordes of young Ukrainians living and working in other European countries rushing back to Ukraine to fight Russians once they’d emptied every army surplus store on the journey. I think you’ve forgotten the early days and weeks of the invasion. No one was rolling over to get their tummies tickled, no one was cheering them on the road to Kyiv throwing flowers at the feet of Russian soldiers.

Grendel · Sep 28, 2023

Sick Boy said:
You have to wonder how much money has ended up in the hands of these lot - Commentary: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem - no doubt the ‘goodie’ type of nazi.

Im sure he will answer you directly. Or produce a silly GIF

Grendel · Sep 28, 2023

skybluetony176 said:
It would be far from over. It would just have been a different type of war. A guerrilla war of resistance. Longer and bloodier. Ukraine is a nation that was never going to bend from day one and that was evident on day one when house wives were confronting Russian soldiers in the streets, telling them to go home to their mothers, there’s only death for you here, putting seeds in their pockets telling them that it’s so flowers will grow from their corpse. Whole communities coming together to make Molotov cocktails on an industrial scale. Ukrainian men in their 50’s and 60’s who served in the army of the Soviet Union volunteering to join the Ukrainian army to fight their former comrades. Hordes and hordes of young Ukrainians living and working in other European countries rushing back to Ukraine to fight Russians once they’d emptied every army surplus store on the journey. I think you’ve forgotten the early days and weeks of the invasion. No one was rolling over to get their tummies tickled, no one was cheering them on the road to Kyiv throwing flowers at the feet of Russian soldiers.

Why didn’t this happen when Russia annexed Crimea Tony?

PVA · Sep 28, 2023

I see we're back to the 'Ukraine has some nasty elements of society so we should let Russia roll them over' argument again

PVA · Sep 28, 2023

Grendel said:
Why didn’t this happen when Russia annexed Crimea Tony?

Ukraine's army was tiny in 2014, with little equipment, no training, rampant corruption.

A smaller version of Russia's army basically.

Grendel · Sep 28, 2023

PVA said:
Ukraine's army was tiny in 2014, with little equipment, no training, rampant corruption.

A smaller version of Russia's army basically.

Are you Tony?

PVA · Sep 28, 2023

Grendel said:
Are you Tony?

You were answering plenty of questions on behalf of FP the other day.

And you were saying its an open discussion earlier.

Make your mind up.

Grendel · Sep 28, 2023

PVA said:
I have answered, it's not my fault if you choose to ignore it or if you don't understand the word progress.

And as for how many years it will take to get to the border, you do realise its not a case of 'well they are progressing by Xkm a day, so it will take Y days to take the remaining XYkm to get to the border'. Even you aren't that simple. Or are you?

when you say I am not that simple or am I is this a question regarding an applied mental affliction? It seems you are implying I have some learning disabilities?

PVA · Sep 28, 2023

Found this interesting academic study earlier, seems to be some real correlation

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 28, 2023

Grendel said:
So what you are basically saying is that a marginal move forward is progress. It’s interesting loss of life means nothing in your chocolate box world of progress but that withstanding I assume you will comment on the actual link I made?

What does that copy and paste non linked opinion really scream out to you in the actual real world of war?

Do you know what would have prevented the loss of life the most? Russia not invading Ukraine.

And if they fucked off back into their own country the killing would pretty much go down to zero wouldn't it. So surely that should be what you want?

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 28, 2023

Grendel said:
Here is an interesting snippet from today

"Despite nine months of bloody fighting, less than 500 square miles of territory have changed hands since the start of the year. A prolonged stalemate could weaken Western support for Ukraine."

But...but...isn't that what the US wants according to you? Long, protracted and expensive. So why would that weaken Western support?

Brighton Sky Blue · Sep 28, 2023

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But...but...isn't that what the US wants according to you? Long, protracted and expensive. So why would that weaken Western support?

It is Schrodinger's USA. Simultaneously wanting Ukraine off the map but also keen to keep it supplied with arms and materiel as a double bluff against the other nation that also wants it off the map.

Biden isn't the senile old man everyone takes him for, this is 4D mental ju-jitsu. And he would've gotten away with it too, had it not been for a fernandopartridge in a pear tree.

fernandopartridge · Sep 28, 2023

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But...but...isn't that what the US wants according to you? Long, protracted and expensive. So why would that weaken Western support?

Because the west is more than just the USA?

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fernandopartridge · Sep 28, 2023

skybluetony176 said:
It would be far from over. It would just have been a different type of war. A guerrilla war of resistance. Longer and bloodier. Ukraine is a nation that was never going to bend from day one and that was evident on day one when house wives were confronting Russian soldiers in the streets, telling them to go home to their mothers, there’s only death for you here, putting seeds in their pockets telling them that it’s so flowers will grow from their corpse. Whole communities coming together to make Molotov cocktails on an industrial scale. Ukrainian men in their 50’s and 60’s who served in the army of the Soviet Union volunteering to join the Ukrainian army to fight their former comrades. Hordes and hordes of young Ukrainians living and working in other European countries rushing back to Ukraine to fight Russians once they’d emptied every army surplus store on the journey. I think you’ve forgotten the early days and weeks of the invasion. No one was rolling over to get their tummies tickled, no one was cheering them on the road to Kyiv throwing flowers at the feet of Russian soldiers.

That doesn't sound like romanticised propaganda at all to me Tony

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skybluetony176 · Sep 28, 2023

fernandopartridge said:
That doesn't sound like romanticised propaganda at all to me Tony

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Sounds like the evidence of my own eyes to me.

Quick question for you. How long did the Irish fight the British for their own sovereignty before leading to the creation of the Irish Free State in 1922?
I’ll give you a clue. Wolfe Tone died in 1798.

The Ukrainians like the Irish are fighting for essentially the same cause, sovereignty from a neighbouring country. Second question. Given the determination of the Ukrainians from day one why do you seem to suppose that they would do anything other than fight and continue to fight even if Kyiv fell?

The quickest way to bring this to a close is by supporting Ukraine.

Ian1779 · Sep 29, 2023

PVA said:
Found this interesting academic study earlier, seems to be some real correlation

Now plot Zelensky’s personal wealth against number of Ukrainian casualties over the last 24 months

fernandopartridge · Sep 29, 2023

skybluetony176 said:
Sounds like the evidence of my own eyes to me.

Quick question for you. How long did the Irish fight the British for their own sovereignty before leading to the creation of the Irish Free State in 1922?
I’ll give you a clue. Wolfe Tone died in 1798.

The Ukrainians like the Irish are fighting for essentially the same cause, sovereignty from a neighbouring country. Second question. Given the determination of the Ukrainians from day one why do you seem to suppose that they would do anything other than fight and continue to fight even if Kyiv fell?

The quickest way to bring this to a close is by supporting Ukraine.

Went did you go to Ukraine?

Are you saying that the IRA should have had international support?

eastwoodsdustman · Sep 29, 2023

fernandopartridge said:
Went did you go to Ukraine?

Are you saying that the IRA should have had international support?

They did have support form America, Libya and a few others.

fatso · Sep 29, 2023

Sick Boy said:
Without western support the whole thing would have been over months ago. It’s naive to think otherwise. However, considering our very own general claimed that even Ireland could defeat Russia, things must be going very badly for Ukraine.

Things are going exactly as the US planned.
And will continue to do so for some considerable time, probably until the next presidential election at least.

fatso · Sep 29, 2023

skybluetony176 said:
The quickest way to bring this to a close is by supporting Ukraine.

100% wrong

PVA · Sep 29, 2023

fatso said:
100% wrong

What is the quickest way to bring it to the correct end?

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