Grendel
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well I assume freezing an oligarchs assets means all he owns
This ‘sanction’ will have fuck all impact.
What’s the bloody point.
There wouldn’t be a world agreement would there? And therefore no agreement to act. I think we are screwed when quite rightly we have been party to inhuman acts or those we support or arm in Iraq Yemen Syria Palestine etc etc.The closer you get to the border, the more real it gets. I have seen so many cars with Ukraine number plates now (most of the cars pretty fancy actually). The cars are generally just full of women and kids, but I have seen the odd young male driving them too. Cars packed full of belongings of people probably moving their lives with no idea of when they will return home, if ever.
I am starting to get more and more annoyed that the rest of the world is basically just standing by and letting this happen, even though I know the consequences of getting involved could be terrible. This just isn´t on at all. I still feel the biggest hope is someone taking out Putin, but I am almost at the point where I would back unanimous military engagement from the rest of the world. It is a massive risk, however maybe the only way to put an end to it. Like fucking Sophie´s choice right now, but sitting and doing nothing just feels plain wrong.
The closer you get to the border, the more real it gets. I have seen so many cars with Ukraine number plates now (most of the cars pretty fancy actually). The cars are generally just full of women and kids, but I have seen the odd young male driving them too. Cars packed full of belongings of people probably moving their lives with no idea of when they will return home, if ever.
I am starting to get more and more annoyed that the rest of the world is basically just standing by and letting this happen, even though I know the consequences of getting involved could be terrible. This just isn´t on at all. I still feel the biggest hope is someone taking out Putin, but I am almost at the point where I would back unanimous military engagement from the rest of the world. It is a massive risk, however maybe the only way to put an end to it. Like fucking Sophie´s choice right now, but sitting and doing nothing just feels plain wrong.
Are you actually over there at the moment, mate?
The closer you get to the border, the more real it gets. I have seen so many cars with Ukraine number plates now (most of the cars pretty fancy actually). The cars are generally just full of women and kids, but I have seen the odd young male driving them too. Cars packed full of belongings of people probably moving their lives with no idea of when they will return home, if ever.
The fans were chanting his name at the weekend. Embarrassing knowing his links to Putin and whats going on in Ukraine. Fuck'mAssets frozen including Chelsea
There wouldn’t be a world agreement would there? And therefore no agreement to act. I think we are screwed when quite rightly we have been party to inhuman acts or those we support or arm in Iraq Yemen Syria Palestine etc etc.
And that’s not listing any countries in Africa.
That said I agree it’s bloody bizarre that we are standing back because putin has threatened to start a nuclear war. Do we genuinely believe he will?
There wouldn’t be a world agreement would there? And therefore no agreement to act. I think we are screwed when quite rightly we have been party to inhuman acts or those we support or arm in Iraq Yemen Syria Palestine etc etc.
And that’s not listing any countries in Africa.
That said I agree it’s bloody bizarre that we are standing back because putin has threatened to start a nuclear war. Do we genuinely believe he will?
Fans don't care. Chelsea fans have been defending Abramovich since this started, Newcastle fans were the same with their takeover. As long as someone is coming in and promising to spend money they have no issue.The fans were chanting his name at the weekend. Embarrassing knowing his links to Putin and whats going on in Ukraine. Fuck'm
Just seen this on twitter.
I agree with your point about Newcastle, should never have been allowed to purchase the club.
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Fans don't care. Chelsea fans have been defending Abramovich since this started, Newcastle fans were the same with their takeover. As long as someone is coming in and promising to spend money they have no issue.
Absolutely. " We're going to fly in with a humanitarian air drop ". Let's see how they respond.All valid points, and I hope that when the dust settles here we'll start to look again at how we use our influence in the rest of the world so that no one else has to live through this.
Like you though, I'm at the point where I think it's time to push back a bit and see what appetite Putin really has for conflict with NATO.
What if NATO said, we're going to establish humanitarian corridors to resupply cities with food, water and medical supplies, and to allow civilians to escape (this to prevent their indiscriminate slaughter).
If we said we'd defend these routes with a limited military response directly against any attackers if they were threatened, would Putin really want to take us on over it?
There wouldn’t be a world agreement would there? And therefore no agreement to act. I think we are screwed when quite rightly we have been party to inhuman acts or those we support or arm in Iraq Yemen Syria Palestine etc etc.
And that’s not listing any countries in Africa.
That said I agree it’s bloody bizarre that we are standing back because putin has threatened to start a nuclear war. Do we genuinely believe he will?
The government have given him 2 weeks notice to shift what money he could out of the UK. The government have been banging on for the last 2 weeks that they couldn't sanction him, obviously a lie as they have done it now.Fans don't care. Chelsea fans have been defending Abramovich since this started, Newcastle fans were the same with their takeover. As long as someone is coming in and promising to spend money they have no issue.
And the mask slips, we are making it difficult because we don't want Ukrainians to come in our country. Patel has been on the phone to thr Irish counterpart complaining that their welcoming of Ukrainian refugees will give them an opportunity to get in the UK through the back do.
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The independent is one of the most reliable press in the world according to international news watch dog News Guard.The Independent and Gina Miller aren´t really two sources I would take too seriously to be honest. They love to wind people up about stuff like this.
I do think we should be doing more to make it easier for refugees coming from Ukraine, without question. If they want to come here then we should have something better set up. It is the least we can do given the situation.
And the mask slips, we are making it difficult because we don't want Ukrainians to come in our country. Patel has been on the phone to thr Irish counterpart complaining that their welcoming of Ukrainian refugees will give them an opportunity to get in the UK through the 'back door'.
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Perhaps we just don't make anything out of metal any more.View attachment 24109
Despite the claims, I wonder if we might be able to do a little better on the military aid front too...
Footage just released from a drone just north of kiyv of a large Russian tank convoy, perhaps 40-50 tanks, being attacked . Lots of tanks blown up, the rest retreating. Incredible.
Fuck off
You and your IRA splinter group should go over there and sort them out.Fuck off
Our lack of action over the demands of a no fly zone indicate those whos opinion matters believe he would.There wouldn’t be a world agreement would there? And therefore no agreement to act. I think we are screwed when quite rightly we have been party to inhuman acts or those we support or arm in Iraq Yemen Syria Palestine etc etc.
And that’s not listing any countries in Africa.
That said I agree it’s bloody bizarre that we are standing back because putin has threatened to start a nuclear war. Do we genuinely believe he will?
I thought he had handed the club over to some stewardship or something?well I assume freezing an oligarchs assets means all he owns
Our lack of action over the demands of a no fly zone indicate those whos opinion matters believe he would.
Even blamed a remoaner in the HOL’s for them not being able to place sanctions on him.The government have given him 2 weeks notice to shift what money he could out of the UK. The government have been banging on for the last 2 weeks that they couldn't sanction him, obviously a lie as they have done it now.
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The government have given him 2 weeks notice to shift what money he could out of the UK. The government have been banging on for the last 2 weeks that they couldn't sanction him, obviously a lie as they have done it now.
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Even blamed a remoaner in the HOL’s for them not being able to place sanctions on him.
The independent is one of the most reliable press in the world according to international news watch dog News Guard.
The Independent is awarded 100% trust rating by media watchdog NewsGuard
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Gina Miller i will give you.
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Do you think Micheál Martin is lying then?If the Independent are one of the most reliable then we are all fucked! Not a stab at you mind, but they really are sensionalist and whip up anger where they can. It's like the Daily Mail of the opposite side.
But then maybe the other side were right all along.If the Independent are one of the most reliable then we are all fucked! Not a stab at you mind, but they really are sensionalist and whip up anger where they can. It's like the Daily Mail of the opposite side.
Do you think Micheál Martin is lying then?
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