VAR needs an overhaul (2 Viewers)

[ProfessorbyGrace]

@chiefdave Alluded to the process of the technicians physically ‘drawing’ the lines, to ascertain an offside…this sent me down the rabbit hole, haha. Bear with me:

This kind of process is still human error territory, potentially. It’s not an automated system, with a functional AI making the decisions, it’s people. People with emotions, deficits and allegiances. So it certainly isn’t fool proof.

It’s a system that is relying on dodgy cameras, rushed decisions and applying new levels of pedantry to a sport that really only needs a 4th official with access to goal-line cameras, live footage of the run of play and cameras to verify/overrule any marginal or ‘clear and obvious’ offside decisions.

Which, in my mind, makes this entire VAR adventure an exercise in greater control of outcomes, in the grand scheme of things, rather than a mere vehicle to overrule refereeing errors in the ‘interests of fairness’.

And this is only the embryonic stage of such a systems. Yoinks.

This could very well destroy the beautiful game, if it’s permitted to remain and ‘evolve’. It’s already causing ructions.

 

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[Otis]

nah, it needs to be there but for actual fuck ups, say like the Leeds goal against Boro.

And that West Brom one where they gave a penalty for handball when the ball hit the player's head and was absolutely nowhere near his hands. So obvious. That's what it should be there for

Shocking decision and I think you have to be able to say that's incorrect and change the decision..

Some are so blatantly obvious

 

[shmmeee]

Absolutely not. Slows down the game, encourages more tactical/cynical stoppages, gives a new advantage to bigger/wealthier teams, and exposes the ref to yet another genre of partisan criticism (“They deliberately took more than/less than 30 seconds” etc etc)

If you get two challenges to a ref’s decision, in reality you get one because you want to keep one for a really big one you’re sure they missed. I doubt refs will be using is that often and it would be limited to goals/red cards like it is now essentially.

The ref is going to get criticism whatever. The aim can’t be eliminating criticism from fans. It should be to give the ref all the tools needed then ensure respect on the pitch.

 

[usskyblue]

It really is time to let it go now. We didn’t win but we fuckingwon. Go to 39m 12sec..

 

[Nick]

Player at the bottom clearly offside.

It's Liverpool though so it's given.

 

[Sick Boy]

Sack it off and just have goal-line technology.

 

[Nick]

It's corrupt. Clear as day.

 

[skybluecam]

What a farce

the ball is about 2 feet long in the frame they use! ridiculous

 

[wingy]

What a absolute farce. Manipulated completely. Should be run by robots, not these current clowns.

Should just fo and get it done through the ref!

 

[Calista]

It's corrupt. Clear as day.

You can say it's over-precise or flawed but you can't say it's corrupt FFS.

If they really wanted to fix results they'd stick purely to employing refs and linesmen who (theoretically!) could be bought off. They wouldn't introduce a complex system involving numerous officials and technicians (= potential whistle-blowers), and expose the workings on screen for the entire nation to pick apart.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Sack it off and just have goal-line technology.

It’s a shame because if implemented correctly (clear and obvious only) it could be a hell of a lot better but think this is where I am

Still too much subjectivity even with offsides

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Sack it off and just have goal-line technology.

Still need it for players trying to do red card offences on the sly I think.

 

[Hobo]

Overhauled into the nearest canal and forgotten.

 

[MalcSB]

What a farce

To my eyes - They take ages lining the vertical up with the forwards back, draw the line across the pitch, they press the button to fix the line in place and it moves a little to the right making the forward “more” offside - by enough to have made a difference at Wembley.

 

[Bad Boy]

Do away with the offside rule completely and football has to adapt to a different way of defending.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Wasn't even checked by VAR yesterday

 

[Deleted member 9744]

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Thought at the time it looked at least questionable. I really don't understand why they didn't look at this given that they spend ages over things that look clear cut from the beginning.

 

[Nick]

Thought at the time it looked at least questionable. I really don't understand why they didn't look at this given that they spend ages over things that look clear cut from the beginning.

Like I keep saying, they pick and choose what they spend time looking into. Sometimes like this they don't look, othertimes they will go back 5 minutes looking for fouls in the buildup.

 

[wingy]

You can say it's over-precise or flawed but you can't say it's corrupt FFS.

If they really wanted to fix results they'd stick purely to employing refs and linesmen who (theoretically!) could be bought off. They wouldn't introduce a complex system involving numerous officials and technicians (= potential whistle-blowers), and expose the workings on screen for the entire nation to pick apart.

Andrew Oliver being suggested indirectly influenced by trip to a friendly by the nation that sponsors,paid by the nation, friendly or something like?

 

[Sick Boy]

The PL will have a vote on 6th June about whether to scrap it or not.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The PL will have a vote on 6th June about whether to scrap it or not.

If the vote is 'Yes' I assume that means it is gone for the FA cup, which whilst right is a bit of a sickener.

 

[Bad Boy]

Wonder if the Billy Big Bollox clubs will vote to keep it

 

[wingy]

Wonder if the Billy Big Bollox clubs will vote to keep it

But it's here to stay, pointless exercise?

 

[RegTheDonk]

The PL will have a vote on 6th June about whether to scrap it or not.

Is this due to Wolves putting out some statement or was it on some PL agenda anyway?

 

[wingy]

Is this due to Wolves putting out some statement or was it on some PL agenda anyway?

Wolves as far as I can tell, seems to be the story on Sky anyway!

 

[Flying Fokker]

To my eyes - They take ages lining the vertical up with the forwards back, draw the line across the pitch, they press the button to fix the line in place and it moves a little to the right making the forward “more” offside - by enough to have made a difference at Wembley.

It’s a complete shambles.

 

[Otis]

"The Premier League believes removing VAR would increase the number of incorrect decisions and potentially leave the on-field officials open to even greater criticism than they currently receive.

The Premier League’s figures show the number of correct decisions in matches has increased from 82% before VAR was introduced to 96% currently."

Very interesting. It can definitely work for the better. But not as it is in its present form, with all the microscopes and delays of forever and a day.

This shows it has improved the accuracy.

I am an advocate, as I have stated many times, but I hate the way it is implemented at the moment. It's utterly ridiculous.

Also, most definitely agree with the first sentence. The refs would undoubtedly get much increased pressure and flak without VAR.

 

[nunchuckas]

Regardless of the implementation:

For anyone who goes to games it's shit. For people watching on TV, it's exciting.

As someone who goes to games, I've stomached incorrect decisions for years, and that's football. But having something taken away 2 minutes+ later due to VAR (even if it's incorrect on fewer occasions), just doesn't feel like I'm at a sporting event, more like the filming of a reality TV show.

In terms of the implementation:

Sport is art, not science. If we HAVE to suffer having it, then let them review everything once from 3 different angles, at full speed, and if it's too close to call, the onfield decision stands. No jiggery pokery using engineering tolerances to judge a human sport.

 

[Frostie]

"The Premier League believes removing VAR would increase the number of incorrect decisions and potentially leave the on-field officials open to even greater criticism than they currently receive.

The Premier League’s figures show the number of correct decisions in matches has increased from 82% before VAR was introduced to 96% currently."

Very interesting. It can definitely work for the better. But not as it is in its present form, with all the microscopes and delays of forever and a day.

This shows it has improved the accuracy.

I am an advocate, as I have stated many times, but I hate the way it is implemented at the moment. It's utterly ridiculous.

Also, most definitely agree with the first sentence. The refs would undoubtedly get much increased pressure and flak without VAR.

Marking their own homework though aren't they?

They claim there have only been 3 "wrong" decisions this season when VAR has intervened & that the "majority" of supporters are in favour of VAR. I'm not sure anyone agrees with that.

 

[Frostie]

Can't disagree with a word of this:

 

[chiefdave]

The Premier League’s figures show the number of correct decisions in matches has increased from 82% before VAR was introduced to 96% currently."

Did they give any evidence to back this up or is it like when they have ex-refs of tv broadcast who always wait for the on field officials / VAR to make their decision then declare its 100% correct no matter what you can see with your own eyes?

 

[shepardo01]

Did they give any evidence to back this up or is it like when they have ex-refs of tv broadcast who always wait for the on field officials / VAR to make their decision then declare its 100% correct no matter what you can see with your own eyes?

Interesting - I was part of some of the very first trials of VAR, part of that was talks/ lectures from a couple of select group one officials. At that point*, they claimed they got 95% of decisions correct!
*Before the official intro.

 

[Flying Fokker]

They just showed the Torp goal on TV. Great start to the day

 

[skybluecam]

I don’t think it will happen now but I would give so much for them just to sack it off.

I don’t know how people can’t see it completely ruins the match going experience- can’t celebrate properly, long delays for any close decision and a completely opaque decision making process

Incorrect decisions are part of football. We’ve been playing this game for over 100 years at the mercy of human judgement, and it’s become the biggest sport in the world.

Is there anyone here who would honestly prefer it stays?

 

[stevefloyd]

Well generally refs are very poor and not helped with the grey laws of interpretation or the cheating diving bastards so maybe technology should first clear up on the UNSPORTMANSHIP (cheats) behaviour of the players by retrospective bans and make them good bans for bringing the game into disrepute...get the fucking cheats out of the game !!! Then maybe get a fully automated system in place to determine offsides or let the linesmen take their guide dogs with them VAR is a fucking disgrace which is made up as they go along and again introduces grey areas of interpretaion even though they have the facts in front of them...They should be given 30 seconds and after that a goal stands if the ref cannot determine on the pitch in a fraction of a second and the blind overpaid idiots that sit as VAR 'officials' then move on and stop making the game a fucking laughing stock!!!