VAR (3 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

Ill put you down for team puppies shall I?

Put me down for team watched football without VAR for over 40 years and don't see how it's introduction has enhanced the game one iota

 

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[pusbccfc]

Let's all go fucking mental, smash our shins, fall over rows of seats, tongue strangers and bring ourselves to the precipe of stroke or a heart attack only to find out ten minutes later it was all in vain thank to an accountant with a monitor sat 120 mile away.

Agreed.

 

[the rumpo kid]

Still all in all poor refereeing again,
Giving a hand ball against o hare when his arms were folded across his chest ?
Not giving city a penalty when there defender clearly moved his hand from his side to in front of the ball ?
Not booking the cheating c**t who dived in the first half ?
Not booking the cheating c**t who dived in the second half , and giving them a penalty.

At some point referees must be held accountable for those decisions.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Still all in all poor refereeing again,
Giving a hand ball against o hare when his arms were folded across his chest ?
Not giving city a penalty when there defender clearly moved his hand from his side to in front of the ball ?
Not booking the cheating c**t who dived in the first half ?
Not booking the cheating c**t who dived in the second half , and giving them a penalty.

At some point referees must be held accountable for those decisions.

The one in the first half was such a blatant dive the bloke should be banned for it.

 

[Grendel]

Var doesn’t necessarily change a penalty award it would have to be a clear and obvious error

Given That many threads on here have slated VAR I hardly see what’s the hunger for it

The one bit of technology we have was slaughtered on Wednesday as being fixed

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Var doesn’t necessarily change a penalty award it would have to be a clear and obvious error

Given That many threads on here have slated VAR I hardly see what’s the hunger for it

The one bit of technology we have was slaughtered on Wednesday as being fixed

Should be used like that but in some of the games they go back ages to find a marginal offside or foul, normally when Man Utd have let one in.

 

[Johhny Blue]

Too expensive

We don’t need VAR. We still have a couple of holdouts that KNOW that ball crossed the line. Toss them a few quid to make the decisions.

 

[shmmeee]

In all seriousness VAR has been badly used, but pretending we don’t have the ability to clear up obvious contentious issues like penalty shouts in seconds is ridiculous.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The referee's view of the penalty incident was perfect so the issue is about the referee's judgement, not that he was impeded by a poor view meaning assistance is necessary

 

[Grendel]

Still all in all poor refereeing again,
Giving a hand ball against o hare when his arms were folded across his chest ?
Not giving city a penalty when there defender clearly moved his hand from his side to in front of the ball ?
Not booking the cheating c**t who dived in the first half ?
Not booking the cheating c**t who dived in the second half , and giving them a penalty.

At some point referees must be held accountable for those decisions.

objective analysis

 

[pusbccfc]

The referee's view of the penalty incident was perfect so the issue is about the referee's judgement, not that he was impeded by a poor view meaning assistance is necessary

To be fair, from his position I get why he gave it. Similar to how I understand why the ref didn't give the Taveras one on Wednesday. It's very difficult at that pace.

 

[clint van damme]

In all seriousness VAR has been badly used, but pretending we don’t have the ability to clear up obvious contentious issues like penalty shouts in seconds is ridiculous.

Look at Thursdays game at Goodison, ref books Allan, ten minutes of VAR fucking about, changes his decision to red, still no consensus on whether it was a red or a yellow and in an admittedly turgid game it was the second major talking point behind a Hugh Fearnley Withingstall look a like cable tying himself to the post.

Every week there's some controversy related to desicions its assisted.

 

[The Philosopher]

I was against the review system in cricket. Now I think it adds something.

My 10p

VAR review system. Like cricket.
Each skipper has 2 reviews. Handy for pennos and off the ball assaults.

 

[shmmeee]

Look at Thursdays game at Goodison, ref books Allan, ten minutes of VAR fucking about, changes his decision to red, still no consensus on whether it was a red or a yellow and in an admittedly turgid game it was the second major talking point behind a Hugh Fearnley Withingstall look a like cable tying himself to the post.

Every week there's some controversy related to desicions its assisted.

Then you put limits on it in terms of time taken and scope. I just find the idea that in a sport worth billions of pounds we don’t give an iPad to a fourth official to give them the same power some bloke in his bedroom already has, ridiculous.

The general idea is sound, and I think giving refs the ability to take a second look if needed when it can be delivered in seconds and cheaply is worth it. You just need to get rid of the panel, have a pitch side monitor the ref and assistants can take say 30 seconds to look over it, and call it a day.

I’ve said before limit it to say three review requests per side as well.

 

[clint van damme]

Then you put limits on it in terms of time taken and scope. I just find the idea that in a sport worth billions of pounds we don’t give an iPad to a fourth official to give them the same power some bloke in his bedroom already has, ridiculous.

The general idea is sound, and I think giving refs the ability to take a second look if needed when it can be delivered in seconds and cheaply is worth it. You just need to get rid of the panel, have a pitch side monitor the ref and assistants can take say 30 seconds to look over it, and call it a day.

The Holy grail is desicions, especially the big ones, being 100 percent correct, unachievable of course, but has VAR moved us nearer to that goal? I'm not sure it has apart from offside decisions and even that has people moaning that it's now too clinical.

 

[Grendel]

The Holy grail is desicions, especially the big ones, being 100 percent correct, unachievable of course, but has VAR moved us nearer to that goal? I'm not sure it has apart from offside decisions and even that has people moaning that it's now too clinical.

offside and goal line technology are the only decisions you could decide can be computer factored

 

[shmmeee]

The Holy grail is desicions, especially the big ones, being 100 percent correct, unachievable of course, but has VAR moved us nearer to that goal? I'm not sure it has apart from offside decisions and even that has people moaning that it's now too clinical.

Would you remove goal line technology? (Probably a bad time to ask that question )

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

Our fans were convinced that the 99.999% accurate goal line technology had been rigged against on Wednesday night based off some blurry iFollow photos, imagine the riots if we had a VAR decision in one of our games.

 

[ms639]

Not a clear and obvious error for me. It was very soft but sheaf makes contact in the box and gives the ref a decisions to make.


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[SeaSeeEffCee]

Also, VAR would probably have given a pen for the Dabo incident anyway, and he also should have been sent off (yet again) so if anything we had more of the big decisions go our way than against.

 

[lifeskyblue]

offside and goal line technology are the only decisions you could decide can be computer factored

Absolutely. Todays penalty a case in point. O’Hare and sheaf touched the player…yes v soft he went down and gave ref a decision to make….90% Cov fans ‘never a pen’, 90% derby ‘it’s stonewall’. If we had VAR it would side with ref as it wasn’t a clear and obvious error.
As for offsides the use of VAR is changing the laws…offside is black and white…yes a millimetre beyond is offside….Linos get it wrong occasionally but now we have lines that are going to be made wider and wider until there is a yard of space which is offside today but won’t be tomorrow. But guess what decisions will still go for/against us as today.

 

[clint van damme]

Would you remove goal line technology? (Probably a bad time to ask that question )

I'm not sure, in my opinion it failed the other night, but either way,it didn't put the issue to bed conclusively which is what these things are supposed to do.

 

[pusbccfc]

Also, VAR would probably have given a pen for the Dabo incident anyway, and he also should have been sent off (yet again) so if anything we had more of the big decisions go our way than against.

Why would he have been sent off?

 

[clint van damme]

Our fans were convinced that the 99.999% accurate goal line technology had been rigged against on Wednesday night based off some blurry iFollow photos, imagine the riots if we had a VAR decision in one of our games.

Well no, I think it failed on Wednesday. I don't think it was rigged or fixed just that it failed, which it has been proven to do before.

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

Why would he have been sent off?

For the high boot when he was already booked.

Well no, I think it failed on Wednesday. I don't think it was rigged or fixed just that it failed, which it has been proven to do before.

The only time it has ever failed in the entire time it has been used in football was that Villa game where somehow all of the sensors were blocked by players getting in the way. There is zero precedent for it failing to correctly judge what was a pretty standard decision, and it was shown to be working fine on the Quest highlights.

 

[shmmeee]

I'm not sure, in my opinion it failed the other night, but either way,it didn't put the issue to bed conclusively which is what these things are supposed to do.

I suppose, but is the aim to make supporters happy or to get closer to a correct decision? I thought it was in at first, but the image shows according to the rules it wasn’t.

The fact a lot of City fans don’t accept that if anything shows you still get your moments of randomness and controversy because what makes those is fans at the end of the day, and we’d argue over anything.

 

[Happy_Martian]

Lawrence's pen wouldn't have been given, but then again, neither would Godden's vs Fulham and both results could have changed as a result. Dabo's poor audition for the Christmas Can Can routine wasn't a pen either. It was clear on replays that while he did kick between the Derby players legs, he made zero contact with ball or player. The only reason the Derby player dropped like a stone was he must have felt the wind around the Trossachs.

VAR is too messy already, as was seen at the Euros when a game (Sweden vs Albania?) reached half time as as the players left the field, VAR ruled a handball and gave a penalty. Having them check every decision adds confusion and frustration to players and fans alike. Perhaps a system used in the NFL would be better. Automatic reviews of scoring situations only but a Head Coach can challenge a decision twice per half and have it video reviewed. Something similar in football could ensure managers are allowed to have a limited chance to have decisions looked at by the 4th official twice per half/game. If they succeed in the review, ref takes appropriate action. If the manager's review fails, free kick to opposition at the place the ball was when review request was made.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

The decision in cricket are done by the umpire who explains why, they are never going to do it in football they won’t even let the refs be questioned on why they have a decision.

If it evens out through the season we are going to be getting a lot of dubious penalties in the next few games we have Definitely had the shit end of the stick since the Godden dive yet their right winger dived in the box today and didn’t even get booked.

 

[clint van damme]

I suppose, but is the aim to make supporters happy or to get closer to a correct decision? I thought it was in at first, but the image shows according to the rules it wasn’t.

The fact a lot of City fans don’t accept that if anything shows you still get your moments of randomness and controversy because what makes those is fans at the end of the day, and we’d argue over anything.

There's controversy every week over VAR though, we've even had crowds singing fuck VAR, I mean what the fuck?
As for the goal midweek,I dont think it had crossed the line but I'm not getting too bent out of shape about it personally, we were shit and deserved nothing.

 

[pusbccfc]

For the high boot when he was already booked.


The only time it has ever failed in the entire time it has been used in football was that Villa game where somehow all of the sensors were blocked by players getting in the way. There is zero precedent for it failing to correctly judge what was a pretty standard decision, and it was shown to be working fine on the Quest highlights.

The high boot wasn't a yellow card. We've had plenty of those go against us this season.

 

[clint van damme]

For the high boot when he was already booked.


The only time it has ever failed in the entire time it has been used in football was that Villa game where somehow all of the sensors were blocked by players getting in the way. There is zero precedent for it failing to correctly judge what was a pretty standard decision, and it was shown to be working fine on the Quest highlights.

As I said, it's got previous for failing.

 

[wingy]

There's controversy every week over VAR though, we've even had crowds singing fuck VAR, I mean what the fuck?
As for the goal midweek,I dont think it had crossed the line but I'm not getting too bent out of shape about it personally, we were shit and deserved nothing.

Well it's like everything tech based nowadays isn't it

Orwellian , exceeded it's remit.

Or should I say the humans in control of it tbf

 

[Grendel]

As I said, it's got previous for failing.

did you see the Murphy penalty appeal for Newcastle the other week - looked like a penalty all day long

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

did you see the Murphy penalty appeal for Newcastle the other week - looked like a penalty all day long

The equipment is only as good as the idiots that use it.

 

[clint van damme]

did you see the Murphy penalty appeal for Newcastle the other week - looked like a penalty all day long

I didn't, My comment was relating to goal line technology, but as far as VAR is concerned there appears to be contentious decisions on a regular basis which it was supposed to put to bed, or certainly consign to being a rare occurrence.