shmmeee
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On another note. Why the focus on a rental deal that is no longer valid and isn't the offer on the table?
Why the incessant refusal to deal with the issues we face today?
Are you deliberately ignoring the point?
Actually to add - spending 12% of turnover on rent was poor financial control from SISU yes, what happened when they tried to control this by renegotiating the rent?
Things went well. They got the reduction they asked for.
What happened when they decided it wasn't rent that's the problem but not being gifted the unencumbered freehold? What happened when they decided it was better to move the club 35 miles from its customers in an attempt to save £450k/season?
How's that going?
Again, for the second I understand that. But for the purposes of semantics to try to emphasise what is - in effect - an invisible line rather than face up to the bigger picture of poor financial control is a line of debate that's very, very fragile at best
Why are you putting words in my mouth? I've not said that the rent being high is justification for them wanting the freehold, you have.
The simple, isolated point is that they spent too much money on wages etc. The rent set by ACL was also too high. That's it. It isn't a difficult concept.
I'm not making things up; I am talking about things in 'in effect' terms. It's like refusing to acknowledge anything about Tim Fisher unless we all type Timothy Donald Fisher upon every occasion
Serious question Robbo: who do you think made the decision to move us? Which person?
Tim Fisher.
I am not arguing nothing I am just asking that if you are to refer to issues of Contracts, Transfers, Managerial Appointments, you state the blame to the correct party i.e the Club, Joy Seppala is Sisu and has no active to day, to day running with the Club, however the Club employs Tim Fisher who does such activity and Ray Ranson before him.
I know. It's so simple everyone grasped it over a year ago. You're the one that keeps bringing it up.
I'll state this simply and maybe at last you can grasp why your opinion is at odds with the vast majority of City fans:
I have no problem with the club trying to renegotiate the rent. It's the tactics they used and the effectiveness of those tactics that I have an issue with.
If Sisu had taken the £450k offer or the £150k offer or even the £0k offer on the table at the moment, they would not have 95% of City fans wanting them out. It's not even the greediness of wanting the whole site for free. It's the fact that they've moved us to Northampton needlessly.
Edit: and what words did I put in your mouth? I (and several others) answered your question and asked a couple of my own. Yet I notice you ignored that to go on some paranoid rant.
It's okay. My work here is done. Personnel costs 92% of turnover, and rent 12% of turnover; and you only have eyes for one. You had a chance to show balance, and blew it. Well done. I'll get some lunch now...
Sorry - and not wishing to continue this - that's wrong. In October 2012, Fisher commented how 'hands on' Joy Seppala is, and that he 'speaks to her every day'. Joy is CEO of SISU Capital.
There is an invisible line, from the effective ownership of the club to their appointed officer; and therefore it's not 'inaccurate' to term them as one; especially when they cooperate as closely as the club's senior official confirms.
When SISU's CEO is in daily contact with the club - as is claimed by the club's CEO - it's fair to surmise she has a hand in significant decisions such as contracts being awarded; and operating in conjunction with their appointed senor official will make such decisions. Therefore, and in this light, it's not as profoundly wrong as you are trying to make it out to term contracts 'SISU awarded', as presumably they have the ultimate sanction?
Also if Joy Seppala was as you hint wouldn't this be considered a Shadow Director which is something we know is forbidden by the FA/FL?
I agree, it's a point we've made a lot.
To counterpoint: if she's not in ultimate control, why does everyone else need her sign off on any rent deal? Why does she call the stadium project exciting if she's not involved?
But you are, I talk to my Mum every day yet this has no baring on everything I do, now where as I don't think Mr Fisher is slightly taking the fall for every issue Sisu have caused I believe TF is responsible for a lot of the issues we face today at our Club.
Also if Joy Seppala was as you hint wouldn't this be considered a Shadow Director which is something we know is forbidden by the FA/FL?
Fisher says she's 'hands on'. How many times do I need to type Fisher's own words? Or are you saying she's massaging him, and that's the meaning of 'hands on'?
When they talk daily, and she's 'hands on' - she's influencing affairs. Certainly significant affairs such as contracts. As ultimate owner, she's ever liable to be. As to know that sits with the shadow directors ruling is for the authorities to view in the context of Fisher's own interview. But my guess, as ever, is that they'll d nothing.
Again, this is not my assertion, it is me reporting Fisher's own words. I find it incredible you are taking such a disingenuous view
The point was only brought up in the context of a post about how the club runs in the future.
There is a contradiction between the assertion that SISU's lack of spending saw us relegated from the Championship and the assertion that the rent wasn't an issue because they spent too much on personnel!
If you have such proof why don't you tell it to the FL and get them to investigate it?
Proof? I don't need feckin' proof. It's all over the internet. It's on the club's own website, for Christ's sake:
http://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/article/fisher-confirms-onye-igwe-departure-367241.aspx
And if you really want me to rub it in, Rob; read Fisher's own words:
“There has been a change of personnel at Sisu and the people, who were previously responsible for the football club, have left Sisu"
Does he draw the same semantic division bewteen the club, and SISU, as you've been trying to do?
No need to bring Christ into this..
Okay so you have a point if you think they're in the wrong tell the FL as it's against there regulations and you have proof.
Can you clarify something for me when you say rub it in, does this mean your being hands on or metaphorically?
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No need to bring Christ into this..
Okay so you have a point if you think they're in the wrong tell the FL as it's against there regulations and you have proof.
I think (think) that the FL were informed of her being a shadow director but didn't look into it. I thought it was around the time of Otium taking over.
Didn't the trust give the FL a load of information which the league claimed they had never received despite the trust having proof they had?
If it is that easy to make money on academy players year after year then all clubs would adopt this.
There have been seasons where they have struggled to get more then 2 decent players.
seems to come in cycles. After all we are at a lower division then before so more of the players will shine.
Would this still be the case if we were in the Prem?
Not having a go just making a general comment on why it may have not worked so well in the past.
If it is that easy to make money on academy players year after year then all clubs would adopt this.
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