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Grendel · Sep 1, 2014

I really do not want to sound like Rupert Bear here but what has waggot done to get so much popularity on here?

He and Fisher look to me the classic good cop bad cop pairing. They came as a package and still are.

His first decision was to sanction a new contract for thorn. Stupid decision. Second was to sign a host of dross players of which only fleck still plays and all others but Barton have gone.

Now he seems to have engineered a position so he is the main centre of influence at the club.

Most seem really happy with this. Why? What has he done that's warranted the plaudits?

On the football side he seems a bit hit miss. Management selection is now better but is that down to him?

Mr Coventry? No. Mr sisu? Yes.

Chipfat · Sep 1, 2014

FFS Gren, its the first time i have 100% agreed with you,, he is defo playing the good cop,, if JS was controlling TF to be bad she is defo controlling SW to be good.. He has gone along with everything Sisu have planned so far but is coming out of this like he just walked in the door....I do hope he keeps it up though as it may prove to JS she really has no other option than to work with those who hold control,, the fans of the club and ACL, CCC with the Ricoh..

theferret · Sep 1, 2014

Good cop bad cop? Load of conspiratorial guff.

I have no real opinion of the man either way, but I do know he is one of the most friendly and approachable individuals to have held a position of power at city for many years.

Should be judged from this point forward and given the benefit of the doubt, although I know some people need a pantomime villain..

skybluetony176 · Sep 1, 2014

theferret said:
Good cop bad cop? Load of conspiratorial guff.

I have no real opinion of the man either way, but I do know he is one of the most friendly and approachable individuals to have held a position of power at city for many years.

Should be judged from this point forward and given the benefit of the doubt, although I know some people need a pantomime villain..

He's behind you!

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 1, 2014

Grendel said:
On the football side he seems a bit hit miss. Management selection is now better but is that down to him?

Who else would be making the manager selection?

Grendel · Sep 1, 2014

CCFC said:
Who else would be making the manager selection?

The CEO?

Evans1883 · Sep 1, 2014

I genuinely dont know what to think of waggot , but i know what i feel about fisher .
either way lets see how the next few months pan out under him

ccfcway · Sep 1, 2014

I am almost shaking as I type this.....

I AGREE WITH GRENDAL.

I read on twitter this morning that since Pressly joined, Waggott has sanctioned 31 transfers !. That kind of turn over is going to get us nowhere.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 1, 2014

Grendel said:
The CEO?

Since it was always Waggott speaking through the media about the selection process, targets, planned interviews etc. and it was always Waggott who fielded question on the new manager after the appointment I thought it would seem apparent that he played a large part in the recruitment.

letsallsingtogether · Sep 1, 2014

What has brought this turnaround from you?
welcome to the real world.
As for what he has or hasn't done time will tell.
I have personally never trusted any of them.

Grendel said:
I really do not want to sound like Rupert Bear here but what has waggot done to get so much popularity on here?

He and Fisher look to me the classic good cop bad cop pairing. They came as a package and still are.

His first decision was to sanction a new contract for thorn. Stupid decision. Second was to sign a host of dross players of which only fleck still plays and all others but Barton have gone.

Now he seems to have engineered a position so he is the main centre of influence at the club.

Most seem really happy with this. Why? What has he done that's warranted the plaudits?

On the football side he seems a bit hit miss. Management selection is now better but is that down to him?

Mr Coventry? No. Mr sisu? Yes.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 1, 2014

ccfcway said:
I am almost shaking as I type this.....

I AGREE WITH GRENDAL.

I read on twitter this morning that since Pressly joined, Waggott has sanctioned 31 transfers !. That kind of turn over is going to get us nowhere.

Surely that can't be just incoming players, does it include outgoing players? Pressley released about 18/19 players last season. The problem is a lot of these 1 year contracts

skybluefred · Sep 1, 2014

It must be difficult trying to put together a team that can be successful when you can only take freebies & loans,
coupled with a few academy players. Waggott has done his best but has not replaced the fire power of last season.

Personally I would rather see 3-2 wins than 1-0 wins because it's attacking play and goals that get the turnstiles
turning. Not sure the managers new style of play will produce many goals from the available squad.

shmmeee · Sep 1, 2014

He can pick a striker and a manager it seems. Therefore he has two more positive points than any of the other Sisu stooges.

Case of the best of a bad bunch I guess.

letsallsingtogether · Sep 1, 2014

Was Thorn the manager.

shmmeee said:
He can pick a striker and a manager it seems. Therefore he has two more positive points than any of the other Sisu stooges.

Case of the best of a bad bunch I guess.

shmmeee · Sep 1, 2014

letsallsingtogether said:
Was Thorn one of those managers.

Thorn was hired pre-Waggott IIRC, certainly before he came to the fore. He said himself that he should've let him go earlier at one of the earlier fora.

Just found this while I was trying to work out when he arrived at the club, relevant to the thread, a couple of Charlton "insiders" talking about his time there from their perspective. http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/146986-Steve-Waggott

Grendel · Sep 1, 2014

shmmeee said:
Thorn was hired pre-Waggott IIRC, certainly before he came to the fore. He said himself that he should've let him go earlier at one of the earlier fora.

Just found this while I was trying to work out when he arrived at the club, relevant to the thread, a couple of Charlton "insiders" talking about his time there from their perspective. http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/146986-Steve-Waggott

Waggot offered thorn a new contract, allowed him to sign nine new players and then sacked him. Spectacular management.

shmmeee · Sep 1, 2014

Grendel said:
Waggot offered thorn a new contract, allowed him to sign nine new players and then sacked him. Spectacular management.

BTW, I'm not a fan of Waggott, just suggesting why people might rate him above the others.

I think on average his transfer record has been pretty poor outside of strikers, and there's question marks about them the last 2 seasons. Robins and Pressley have hardly proven amazing long term.

Anyway, Duleiu <sp?> was Chairman when Thorn got his contract renewed wasn't he? Waggott was just there to "help with signings" (though if you read that Charlton thread, it sounds like he's known as a bit of a cost cutter, which may have been his first role).

Grendel · Sep 1, 2014

shmmeee said:
BTW, I'm not a fan of Waggott, just suggesting why people might rate him above the others.

I think on average his transfer record has been pretty poor outside of strikers, and there's question marks about them the last 2 seasons. Robins and Pressley have hardly proven amazing long term.

Anyway, Duleiu <sp?> was Chairman when Thorn got his contract renewed wasn't he? Waggott was just there to "help with signings" (though if you read that Charlton thread, it sounds like he's known as a bit of a cost cutter, which may have been his first role).

Thorns contract expired at Southampton and fisher and waggot offered him a new one.

shmmeee · Sep 1, 2014

Grendel said:
Thorns contract expired at Southampton and fisher and waggot offered him a new one.

Did we renew it again after relegation?

Wow.

Edit: Turns out I do have the inclination. I can't find anything about a new contract other than the original one, which was a 1 year rolling deal:

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/andy-thorn-steve-harrison-sign-3044653

wingy · Sep 1, 2014

ccfcway said:
I am almost shaking as I type this.....

I AGREE WITH GRENDAL.

I read on twitter this morning that since Pressly joined, Waggott has sanctioned 31 transfers !. That kind of turn over is going to get us nowhere.

got to be around 60 over 3 Summers,ridiculous.

Grendel · Sep 1, 2014

shmmeee said:
Did we renew it again after relegation?

Wow.

Edit: Turns out I do have the inclination. I can't find anything about a new contract other than the original one, which was a 1 year rolling deal:

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/andy-thorn-steve-harrison-sign-3044653

The rolling deal was renewed - that's the point. It could have been terminated in may. It was discussed at length on here at the time .

Hobo · Sep 1, 2014

I have questioned Waggots role a number of times on here with little response. Not to have a go at the guy, but it just isn't clear cut.

People have praised his signings yet criticised recent managers for poor signings? That has me confused.

i think you have to look at the various boundaries.
1. Scouting, talent spotting and sourcing.
2. Budgets and negotiations.
3. Who decides who comes in based on what parameters or other factors?

These boundaries are blurred at all football clubs, I accept that. But fans needs to consider these elements before blindly dishing out praise or criticism.

He has apparently negotiated us back to the Ricoh? Again the boundaries are blurred. A done deal was previously over the line before it was scuppered by Seppala, allegedly. Fisher and Labovitch had probably burnt their credibility in an on going media slanging match. Who knows how much negotiation patching up was actually needed?

anyway we are back home and I will content myself with that for the time being. However I suspect we are still mid chapter in this debacle.

shmmeee · Sep 1, 2014

Grendel said:
The rolling deal was renewed - that's the point. It could have been terminated in may. It was discussed at length on here at the time .

OK, took it to mean it always had a year left. Otherwise it's just a 1 year contract isn't it?

Anyway, I really don't care that much.

Skyblueweeman · Sep 1, 2014

Grendel said:
I really do not want to sound like Rupert Bear here but what has waggot done to get so much popularity on here?

He and Fisher look to me the classic good cop bad cop pairing. They came as a package and still are.

His first decision was to sanction a new contract for thorn. Stupid decision. Second was to sign a host of dross players of which only fleck still plays and all others but Barton have gone.

Now he seems to have engineered a position so he is the main centre of influence at the club.

Most seem really happy with this. Why? What has he done that's warranted the plaudits?

On the football side he seems a bit hit miss. Management selection is now better but is that down to him?

Mr Coventry? No. Mr sisu? Yes.

Mark Robins
Steven Pressley
Ricoh deal

Good enough for me.

WM

ccfcway · Sep 1, 2014

shmmeee said:
He can pick a striker.

Loza
Manset
Donelly
Delfonoso
Ecclestone
Akpom
Slager

really ?

theferret · Sep 1, 2014

ccfcway said:
Loza
Manset
Donelly
Delfonoso
Ecclestone
Akpom
Slager

really ?

Of course, because the manager had no say in those acquisitions at all. Give me strength.

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 1, 2014

theferret said:
Of course, because the manager had no say in those acquisitions at all. Give me strength.

It's a fair point though, that he can't necessarily take the credit for Clarke, but not those.

Can't pick and choose which are Waggott's choices and which the manager's depending on who's in favour on any one day.

ccfcway · Sep 1, 2014

CCFC said:
Surely that can't be just incoming players, does it include outgoing players? Pressley released about 18/19 players last season. The problem is a lot of these 1 year contracts

Lets give it a go and see ?

Loza
Manset
Donelly
Delfonoso
Ecclestone
Akpom
Slager
McQuoid
Jackson
Tudguy
Miller
Swanson
Coubiliy
Robinson
O'Brien
Prutton
Urquart
Webster
Seabourne
Johnson
Allsopp

Who am I missing ?

ccfcway · Sep 1, 2014

theferret said:
Of course, because the manager had no say in those acquisitions at all. Give me strength.

well, for a start Pressley said at the time he didn't like the loan market !

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 1, 2014

ccfcway said:
Lets give it a go and see ?
Loza
Manset
Donelly
Delfonoso
Ecclestone
Akpom
Slager
McQuoid
Jackson
Tudguy
Miller
Swanson
Coubiliy
Robinson
O'Brien
Prutton
Urquart
Webster
Seabourne
Johnson
Allsopp

Who am I missing ?

Dagnall, Maguire, Pugh

theferret · Sep 1, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
It's a fair point though, that he can't necessarily take the credit for Clarke, but not those.

Can't pick and choose which are Waggott's choices and which the manager's depending on who's in favour on any one day.

I don't recall ever seeing Waggott swinging from the branches trying to take credit for anything. He will have just facilitated the acquisitions, and I very much doubt SP had players thrust on him.

Either way, I don't get how much digging some people will do to try and discredit somebody they have taken a personal dislike to. I don't really know Waggott personally, or understand what his role actually is. As CE he will now be a lot more visible and I'll judge him from this point forward.

There has been so much mud slung about over the last couple of years that I really can't be arsed to manufacture reasons to sling some more. But everyone else can fill their boots I suppose.

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 1, 2014

theferret said:
I don't recall ever seeing Waggott swinging from the branches trying to take credit for anything.

No but this thread had mentioned he can spot a striker.

Which therefore merits pointing out the type of striker he can spot... if they aren't the managers' choices.

Waldorf · Sep 1, 2014

Whether he spots the players (which I doubt) or just negotiates the transfers, at least he has a football background, which is more than you can say for Fisher, Joy "I know nothing" Seppala, Dulieu, and the rest of the mob that's been foisted on us.

dongonzalos · Sep 1, 2014

Grendel said:
I really do not want to sound like Rupert Bear here but what has waggot done to get so much popularity on here?

He and Fisher look to me the classic good cop bad cop pairing. They came as a package and still are.

His first decision was to sanction a new contract for thorn. Stupid decision. Second was to sign a host of dross players of which only fleck still plays and all others but Barton have gone.

Now he seems to have engineered a position so he is the main centre of influence at the club.

Most seem really happy with this. Why? What has he done that's warranted the plaudits?

On the football side he seems a bit hit miss. Management selection is now better but is that down to him?

Mr Coventry? No. Mr sisu? Yes.

He is a package with Mr Fisher.

They made a catalogue of bad decisions until now.

They seem to be finally on track

They just need to stop the legal action and stadium blah and work out a way of getting phased ownership of ACL

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 1, 2014

Waldorf said:
Whether he spots the players (which I doubt) or just negotiates the transfers, at least he has a football background, which is more than you can say for Fisher

...although he and Fisher do seem to come as a pair...

tbh ignoring the obvious(!) the football side of things seems to have been relatively sanely run, so I have no great problem with either Fisher or Waggot staying as such. WOuld rather that than the new broom that sweeps in the Emperor's new clothes.

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