See I have to disagree. Because this is not a coincidental meeting of landlord/tenant. The arena was built principally FOR THE SKY BLUES. How can that very important fact escape you? The arena was meant to be a mutually beneficial venture, and clearly on this point, it is precisely the opposite. CCFC have a moral obligation to pay the rent. ACL have a moral obligation to make that rent affordable with a view to the long term stability of their tenant - both have failed, but you seem intent only on highlighting the failings of CCFC.
Quote from PWKH to keep Grendel happy.I am sorry to have come to this a bit late.
Some clarification: the Agreements were between the AHCT and CCFC Ltd. When Ltd went into Administration there were several arguments between the AHCT, CCFC Ltd, the Administrator and Holdings. One of them centred around the breach by CCFC of the Agreements. The AHCT dealt only with Ltd. This is important because this placed the responsibility for insurance of Academy students with Ltd and not with the AHCT. When Ltd went into Administration we were told by the Administrator that there need be no change because he had been told by CCFC that they had moved everybody into Holdings anyway. This breached the Agreements and put all the liabilities on the shoulders of the Trustees. Fisher knew where the Agreements were because when CCFC had failed to pay the January 2013 invoices, despite Waggott promising that there would be no problem with them, Fisher's excuse was that he "couldn't find any Agreements". I gave him copies on a memory stick. There can therefore be no claim of ignorance. The breach was absolute. The Administrator had said that he had no Academy as it was not in Ltd. This action by CCFC put the AHCT in breach of their Agreements with Coventry Sports Foundation which manages the Centre.
Another of the Agreements covered pitch maintenance. CCFC was not charged anything for the use of the grass pitches. The responsibility for their maintenance was theirs. The equipment (cost £100,000) was the AHCT's. The responsibility for the maintenance of equipment was CCFC's. At the time of Administration the machinery was u/s. No maintenance had been carried out and no repairs made. Machinery had been used when faulty until it stopped working or had been rendered u/s through operator misuse. CCFC forwarded to me the quotation they had obtained from Farol's before there was any Administration. I used this as the amount needed for the works. I assumed, perhaps wrongly, that they had carried out a proper gathering of quotations and chosen the best option.
There were other things that needed to be agreed, but weren't, which perhaps could have been if there had been a will to do so.
At the time of Administration there were also some monies owed for usage over and above that agreed and pre-paid in the January to March period.
Holdings wanted to continue to run an Academy at the AHCT, they agreed to pay the money owed for the over-use. They would not agree to pay for the equipment repair. They would not agree to carry out the annual pitch refurbishment saying that they just wanted to use the AHC for the period to the end of the season. They would not enter into Agreements that would have given the Trustees the proper insurance protection. We had separately been told that we should provide replacement equipment as ours was u/s. I ignored this completely as I assumed then, as I do now, that nobody would expect anyone to take such a suggestion seriously. The result was that the Trustees would not allow Holdings to use the Centre but would allow Ltd to us it. The Administrator has acknowledged the debts but said that he had no Academy. Holdings wanted the debts to remain with Ltd, for us to buy or lease new equipment or pay for the repair to the equipment to allow them to use it for the period to the end of the season. They would not carry out the end-of-season refurbishment and would not give the Trustees the security of proper Agreements.
Some no doubt will say that the Trustees should have just shut up, bought new equipment for the Club and let the Academy continue and forget the insurance because there had never been any problems before. All I can say is that would have been unlawful and stupid.
As it is I do not think that it is the Trustees that have been stupid.
On 24 April Ms Seppala said that she would reply to a letter from our solicitors when she got back from travelling. On 20 June I invited her to reply and asked whether Mr Fisher would similarly be replying to our letter of early April saying that if they did not reply saying that they wanted to re-engage with the Trustees we would have to put into effect our plans for the future which would exclude the Academy. We have had no reply. Because we had had no reply since April to our earlier letters we put in a deadline. That deadline was passed on 25 June. After that time, to use someone else's words "we have moved on".
I have had a very close personal involvement in the Higgs Centre. I tried to express this earlier this year and, as could be expected, was the subject of abuse. The abuse doesn't hurt: what does is to see something that has and could continue to provide the Club with excellent facilities for an Academy be abandoned. I use the word Club because that is what I care about and what ALL the readers of this forum care about (whatever their views on who is right/wrong etc). I have said it before and I do not apologise for saying it again, the Club is not the company that owns it but the people who support it, who live with it and feel it a part of their lives as much as they do their brother, sister or cousin. Now the company and the owner have moved on and we are where we are.
This is interesting.
Given that this is obviously a Sisu plant why would someone suddenly crawl out of the woodwork and ask Cov fans to entertain the current situation?
Could it be that they are concerned they have no support?
That the move to Northants is dependent on this support?
Are the FL monitoring (as they should) this situation?
Not One Penny More
If you're going to be totally ridiculous go on GMK :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:Are you actually being serious?
Nothing short of ridiculous. On that note, I withdraw. For the record, you are wrong! And deluded!
Are you actually being serious?
Nothing short of ridiculous. On that note, I withdraw. For the record, you are wrong! And deluded!
I am largely a reader of this forum, not a poster (I'm unsure of precisely what my post count is, but it will be low), but I have to make an exception in this case.
I've avoided this forum like the plague now for some time because frankly it's depressing watching the majority of supporters peddle the agenda of the club's landlords and particularly the council who have been heavily involved with the skullduggery surrounding our club, principally because they seem to have you all convinced that their hands are not blood stained, despite the punitive measures they have taken against your football club!
It is no secret that SISU have consistently left us wanting more during their tenure, but yet two facts remain;
1. They have invested a large sum of money in our club (albeit whilst annotating it on the balance sheet as loans).
2. Everybody seemed to be happy with progress this year under SISU until this stadium debacle.
Ultimately, SISU are in the right here, as painful as it might be to admit it. It has been well publicised that there are impending problems for clubs under the 'financial fair play' rules. Predominantly this is very simple, we can only spend what we make in ticket sales/sponsorship etc on sustaining the club and maintaining a competitive playing squad.
At present we make precious little, and consequently, we will really feel the bite when these rules come into force. If you think a ten point deduction is hard to swallow, the consequences of not fitting in with these rules will have our club in a serious nosedive and have us tumbling down the leagues quicker than you can say 'maybe that coffee guy was right'.
Simply put for the primate contingent of this forum; some derp once upon a time made a real balls up when negotiating rent for our stadium and as a result, the cash we get in return for the tickets we sell aren't sufficient to support the club without the owners putting money in - which it is not viable long term for those owners to do because in time they will be prohibited from doing so.
The owners are business people, and bought in with the idea one day of either taking a considerable dividend or planning an exit strategy to sell the club on. This is their right and I support that. We aren't playing subbuteo here, we're playing football manager...
The club had every right to request that the arena bosses revisited the rent agreement. It is in their best interests for the club to prosper! The club and the stadium are supposed to behave like husband and wife. The stadium is cheating on the club at the moment with the council! I'm sure if the club became champions league chasers, then the arena would be looking for a substantial rent increase! This works both ways....
This exercise on SISU's part, is simply to demonstrate to the arena bosses that their arena cannot survive without the club. I support that, and you should too!
If we were smart supporters instead of sheeples, your lean would be on the arena bosses and not the club. You'd all turn out in force at Northampton to support our team at home games and frighten the life out of the arena bosses. Additionally you'd all be emailing the businesses that operate on the arena site encouraging them to demand a rent decrease in line with the footfall reduction as a result of CCFC departing from the site.
Our football club can only survive if we procure the stadium or have a rent agreement that allows us access to a lion share of the money that the supporters invest in watching the team!
The council stifled the club's attempt to get serious with the arena bosses by spending FOURTEEN MILLION POUNDS OF TAXPAYERS MONEY propping up ACL. Surely on this forum there are some people who have suffered from council cuts - be it redundancy, policing deficiencies, or perhaps they turn your streetlights off at night turning your area into a criminals wet dream? How can they spend 14M of your money like that, and nobody raise any objection?
Ultimately, if you were to protest against the council, perhaps their intervention would be punishable. Perhaps they'd have to recover their 14M and ACL would have to remortgage that 14M - Almost impossible with no viable tenants!
Perhaps then the arena will need to be sold to the people who would most benefit from it. Not SISU - your football club!
This is all a big game of smoke and mirrors, and SISU will get their way because they are a bunch of sharks - but the supporters are making it unnecessarily difficult for them - Your allegiance is to the club, not the council - I guarantee most here have been wronged by the council some way, at some time in their lives.
The club, (in my opinion) will unlikely play long-term at Northants. But if we turned out there in force to support our team, instead of these protests of about five people that frankly look pitiful, perhaps we can affect positive change over our clubs future and restore it to former glory.
Does anyone understand how irksome it is, every time our captain posts about tennis/golf/his holiday/his pets it is for you all to turn it into some innuendo filled rant about the club and the owners.
I'm sure you will all have your problems with this post, but I could no longer be silent.
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Who would follow this forum that wasn't a primate? Perhaps TF's dog, Hector or maybe Sky Blue Sam. A bit of a condescending tone throughout, and I'm fairly sure I could kick your arse at scrabble. Don't think that, because you've cobbled a few paragraphs together, you've revealed a greater truth to the masses. Despite the little spats that break out on here, the majority of poster are quite switched on about events and have a few GCSEs between them
If you're going to be totally ridiculous go on GMK :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
Are you actually being serious?
Nothing short of ridiculous. On that note, I withdraw. For the record, you are wrong! And deluded!
Are you actually being serious?
Nothing short of ridiculous. On that note, I withdraw. For the record, you are wrong! And deluded!
To be fair, the debate on GMK at least goes a bit further than 'you must be Tim Fisher'.
Who would follow this forum that wasn't a primate? Perhaps TF's dog, Hector or maybe Sky Blue Sam. A bit of a condescending tone throughout, and I'm fairly sure I could kick your arse at scrabble. Don't think that, because you've cobbled a few paragraphs together, you've revealed a greater truth to the masses. Despite the little spats that break out on here, the majority of poster are quite switched on about events and have a few GCSEs between them
And what is ridiculous about that post. You sir are the deluded one if you think anything you have written will ever make people believe that our owners are the good guys in all this, apart from their sympathisers, of course
If rather go on GMK there are some sensible posters on there. Tried to register several times and get bounced out. If anyone knows the administrator they can PM me and I can leave the pious lunatics on here to self destruct.
So you think all season ticket holders are worms as well do you?
Who would follow this forum that wasn't a primate? Perhaps TF's dog, Hector or maybe Sky Blue Sam. A bit of a condescending tone throughout, and I'm fairly sure I could kick your arse at scrabble. Don't think that, because you've cobbled a few paragraphs together, you've revealed a greater truth to the masses. Despite the little spats that break out on here, the majority of poster are quite switched on about events and have a few GCSEs between them
If rather go on GMK there are some sensible posters on there. Tried to register several times and get bounced out. If anyone knows the administrator they can PM me and I can leave the pious lunatics on here to self destruct.
Please don't you articulate an alternative opinion wellIf rather go on GMK there are some sensible posters on there. Tried to register several times and get bounced out. If anyone knows the administrator they can PM me and I can leave the pious lunatics on here to self destruct.
Oh please don't Grendel, what would I do with out you and the wonderful debates we have? But the good thing is you rep must be proceeding you that even they won't let you join, sad really.
So you think all season ticket holders are worms as well do you?
The stadium is a community asset built in partnership with the club. No club, no point in having the stadium.
And are people REALLY accusing me of being Tim Fisher? That's excellent, and downright stupid at the same time!
Nope I logged on there with a different ID. It kept saying contact the administrator.
Sorry SBH, hadn't realised you had answered him
Oh Grendel, that is stupid even for you. Where in any of my posts have I called anyone (even you) worms. I haven't even called our owners that. So go and take a running jump sir
No normal football fan would ever think that. The football club would be all that matters. Without it 99% of the community will ever use it.
It's this pathetic attitude that has helped create the problems.
If anyone other than Sisu owned CCFC then ACL I believe would sell the Ricoh to the club
The fact they haven't is because they don't trust Sisu with it. Why would you sell a business they have built up to someone who has tried to bankrupt them
This, in response to me questioning our much loved and trusted venture capitalists owning the Ricoh Arena.
You are a source of entertainment, I'll give you that. Go and join The Outcasts if you must though.
Oh Grendel, that is stupid even for you. Where in any of my posts have I called anyone (even you) worms. I haven't even called our owners that. So go and take a running jump sir
You didn't but dadgad did and you support his accusation that another poster is not a fan. Dadgad calls supporters worms and sneers at anyone who supports the club. If you ally yourself to him I have to assume you share his views. I mean I wouldn't support anything nick griffin said. I find his views abhorrent and I find dadgads views on true CCFC fans reprehensible and disgusting. You however like his views.
Remember you wanted to retain Clive platt for his assists in a season he was credited with one. You also were up sisu's arse when they took over.This, in response to me questioning our much loved and trusted venture capitalists owning the Ricoh Arena.
You are a source of entertainment, I'll give you that. Go and join The Outcasts if you must though.
Remember you wanted to retain Clive platt for his assists in a season he was credited with one. You also were up sisu's arse when they took over.
I don't attack you as much as dadgad as you clearly have been disadvantaged through a lack of education. I pity you in truth.
...See what I mean. I'd like to amend the above statement though:
It's like reading the front page of the Daily Mail on Groundhog Day.
Remember you wanted to retain Clive platt for his assists in a season he was credited with one. You also were up sisu's arse when they took over.
I don't attack you as much as dadgad as you clearly have been disadvantaged through a lack of education. I pity you in truth.
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