Wake up supporters - you are being conned! (2 Viewers)

[ajsccfc]

Just to note, you called the original poster both Tim Fisher and then Grendel. It's hardly the model of open discussion and objectivity.

 

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R.E - just-here-4-coffee You really cant see the wood for the trees !, trust me no one loves the council just as much as no loves sisu.:facepalm:

And prove me wrong on this one point and I'll forever believe everything you say.

If you legally agree a rental contract with a landlord, regardless of whether its a good deal or to much, or competitive, should you honour it ?

And through all this bull sisu have put us through has this not cost more than actually just paying the original amount.

 

[Astute]

If rather go on GMK there are some sensible posters on there. Tried to register several times and get bounced out. If anyone knows the administrator they can PM me and I can leave the pious lunatics on here to self destruct.

Perhaps they want to keep it to sensible posters only

 

[DaleM]

I'm fuckin bitter . This bunch of wankers who own us have reduced CCFC to the lowest point I, in my 43 years on this planet, can remember. I could handle the Championship and even thought a season in league 1 would maybe be ok, looking at the likes of Norwich, Southhampton etc.BUT the club is fuckin doomed and will either be liquidated or end up in the fuckin conference with these wankers in charge . It has nothing to do with the rent because this lot didn't even pay it last season.CCFC as we know it is gone . We are the next Accrington Stanley.

 

[mattylad]

If they hadn't chalked it up as a loan then they wouldn't be the main creditor in this administration jazz - and we'd be completely at the mercy of ACL.

They're writing a ton of it off under admin recovery proposals, so actually, I think my post was valid sir. They aren't looking to bleed the club, only to retain control and recover some of the money they've put in. Why shouldn't they, they aren't a charity?

Are they or are they actually just writing it off on inco terms so that Otium owe it to SBSL who in turn will owe it SISU...plus they inherited over 20 million pounds in paper debt so too write that off does not hurt there value of investment they will require to be repaid.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

I'm fuckin bitter . This bunch of wankers who own us have reduced CCFC to the lowest point I, in my 43 years on this planet, can remember. I could handle the Championship and even thought a season in league 1 would maybe be ok, looking at the likes of Norwich, Southhampton etc.BUT the club is fuckin doomed and will either be liquidated or end up in the fuckin conference with these wankers in charge . It has nothing to do with the rent because this lot didn't even pay it last season.CCFC as we know it is gone . We are the next Accrington Stanley.

The sooner the football league find themselves a backbone and put a stop to things like this the better. The game is now full of 'money men' who run rule and do whatever they like. It has lost touch with its community and people, including myself, have become disillusioned with it.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

No there not a charity but at the same time they have failed to pay a charity 16 grand they owe them so that is ACL's fault of the 60 million debt you say that ACL are responsible for the majoriy of it and I'm being conned they could have brought Half the Ricoh as promised but didn't that's ACL fault they wrote off all the debt when they took over but no it has resurfaced but that is ACL's fault Shows what a stupid thread. this is When Grendel Agrees with you. Any way none of us think that ACL are faultless but at the end of the day SISU have brought this on themselves with their PISS POOR MANAGEMENT and utter contempt for their fans So taking our club out of Coventry will not bleed us dry? need to wake up and smeel that coffee of yours.. >

If they hadn't chalked it up as a loan then they wouldn't be the main creditor in this administration jazz - and we'd be completely at the mercy of ACL.

They're writing a ton of it off under admin recovery proposals, so actually, I think my post was valid sir. They aren't looking to bleed the club, only to retain control and recover some of the money they've put in. Why shouldn't they, they aren't a charity?

 

[dongonzalos]

Thank-you chaps - Bottom line is, SISU haven't done a lot right during their time here. But to support the council in their underhanded efforts to prevent our club from capturing the one asset that would bring greatness again is psych-ward committal worthy.

Unfortunately when you haven't done right by someone repeatedly. To the extent that they 'cheat' on you as put it.
When you then want them to be complicit in you genuinely cheating on them. Shock horror they don't real trust you take take a gigantic gamble with their club.

The fans are the only ones getting somewhere in this farce. This will only grow till SISU give up or change direction.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

This will only grow till SISU give up or change direction.

Hopefully out of town :wave:

 

[dongonzalos]

14M will be repaid, only if the unlawful arrangement stands. If the agreement is terminated then CCC will only recover what the site sells for.

And CCC forced the withdrawl of the club. They have control over the whole city - easiest way to circumvent that is to follow CCFC out of their grab range.

Are we not trying to ground share with people who are doing exactly what you claim is unlawful?

 

[letsallsingtogether]

:claping hands::claping hands::claping hands::claping hands::claping hands:

Are we not trying to ground share with people who are doing exactly what you claim is unlawful?

 

[skyblueinBaku]

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Wasn't ACL going to put Ltd into Admin but SISU got there first?

My understanding is that ACL applied to put us into admin to protect themselves when TF threatened liquidation. Sisu elected to put us into admin as a response to this - they got to choose the administrator.

 

[skyblueinBaku]

To many people on here can't see past there council blinkered/ acl eyes and just keep blaming sisu for everything that's gone wrong with the arena but it's other people has well not just sisu but people don't want to blame them they just want to blame sisu and I know they have made mistakes but regarding the arena its not just them and deep down people do no that but they don't want to admit to that they just blame sisu like everyone else is

And breathe.............

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Hopefully out of town :wave:

I thought that was the problem.

 

[dadgad]

It's great when you rattle the cage.
It really gets to them.
My theory that they (Sisu) need support for this move to Norfammpton gains credence.
Not One Penny More

 

[quinn1971]

Are we not trying to ground share with people who are doing exactly what you claim is unlawful?

Exactly....just proves what sisu are.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The sooner the football league find themselves a backbone and put a stop to things like this the better. The game is now full of 'money men' who run rule and do whatever they like. It has lost touch with its community and people, including myself, have become disillusioned with it.

The FL is a slave to whatever the Premier League demands of it-it no longer has any real independence and doesn't carry the resources needed to challenge those currently in charge. All Scudamore is concerned about is building 20 exclusive brands and shutting everybody else out unless they're loaded.

 

[simple_simon]

It's great when you rattle the cage.
It really gets to them.
My theory that they (Sisu) need support for this move to Norfammpton gains credence.
Not One Penny More

Do you genuinely believe this crap?
SISU are scum
We will never come back to Coventry, your just putting another nail in our coffin.
Even if they built a new stadium in Warwickshire, ask SISU who will own it and what the rent will be? ( the investors)

 

[dongonzalos]

Are you actually being serious?

Nothing short of ridiculous. On that note, I withdraw. For the record, you are wrong! And deluded!

Deluded. Interesting choice of phrase used here quite a bit a while ago. Towards anyone who suggested anybody other than SISU would be interested in owning this club. This was by a variety of different user names not yourself, I may add.

 

[Grendel]

Deluded. Interesting choice of phrase used here quite a bit a while ago. Towards anyone who suggested anybody other than SISU would be interested in owning this club. This was by a variety of different user names not yourself, I may add.

Some people believed Haskell had made an offer to buy have of ACL. We now know that is not true. We know nothing of the offers tabled. We do know Haskell has now been outbid on at least two occasions. We draw our conclusions.

 

[just-here-4-coffee]

I made my post with certain ideas of how it would be received, and frankly i'm both disappointed and unsurprised.

Yes, my original post had a condescending tone - You won't win a trophy for pointing that out! Hell, the title is condescending, so there's no 'reading-between-the-lines' necessary. I didn't bring anyone's GCSE grades into the equation.

Bottom line is this; SISU have made a catalog of errors during their tenure. This is not one of them! I'm not defending the past actions of SISU, i'm not defending the inexplicably dumb decisions they have made in recent years. I will however state my opinion which is that the real asshats in recent developments are the arena bosses, and especially the council!

Your responses?

- Telling me I need to 'wake up and smell the coffee' (very original and something I totally didn't anticipate when I chose my username - honest!)
- Telling me 'my head is up my arse' (Again, a real show of class).
- Using SISU's previous blunders (we've all made blunders in our life) as a way of attaching culpability for this particular blunder to SISU instead of the real culprits.
- My personal favourite: 'YOU ARE SISU' 'YOU ARE TIM FISHER'
- I also note that you all seem to take issue with this Grendel chap also, who seems perfectly pleasant to me. Can someone not have a different opinion to you without having things thrown at him?

This 'not one penny more' rubbish is fast becoming irksome also. The club is in administration, the club has been sustaining LOSSES. Your lack of investment in matchday revenues isn't going to cripple the club any more than the FFP rules will. It's embarrassing actually to see pictures of five or so people 'protesting'. Consider the magnitude of the protests at Blackburn not too long ago, and there's us with our five cronies and their signs - we are a joke of a football club.

The truth is, the regime has learnt to live without your support, because for the most part, supporters are fickle, and most people have never supported the regime since it's inception.

And god forbid, those big bad investors want to recoup some of the money that they've thrown at this club and it's ungrateful supporters. What on earth do you think they got involved for in the first place? Are our supporters really that primitive?

If this mess isn't resolved before the season arrives, I'll be there, at Northampton supporting the club. And i'll see you all there when Coventry draw Liverpool/Arsenal/Tottenham at home in a cup competition.

Don't forget; Every time our captain facebook-posts about the tennis/the weather or how he's enjoying training; Turn every post into a message telling him to abandon ship, and that his club is total shit! Oh, and how he can't trust his employers.

...Then come here and complain some more with the other 'supporters'.

Seriously! :facepalm:

 

[dongonzalos]

I made my post with certain ideas of how it would be received, and frankly i'm both disappointed and unsurprised.

Yes, my original post had a condescending tone - You won't win a trophy for pointing that out! Hell, the title is condescending, so there's no 'reading-between-the-lines' necessary. I didn't bring anyone's GCSE grades into the equation.

Bottom line is this; SISU have made a catalog of errors during their tenure. This is not one of them! I'm not defending the past actions of SISU, i'm not defending the inexplicably dumb decisions they have made in recent years. I will however state my opinion which is that the real asshats in recent developments are the arena bosses, and especially the council!

Your responses?

- Telling me I need to 'wake up and smell the coffee' (very original and something I totally didn't anticipate when I chose my username - honest!)
- Telling me 'my head is up my arse' (Again, a real show of class).
- Using SISU's previous blunders (we've all made blunders in our life) as a way of attaching culpability for this particular blunder to SISU instead of the real culprits.
- My personal favourite: 'YOU ARE SISU' 'YOU ARE TIM FISHER'
- I also note that you all seem to take issue with this Grendel chap also, who seems perfectly pleasant to me. Can someone not have a different opinion to you without having things thrown at him?

This 'not one penny more' rubbish is fast becoming irksome also. The club is in administration, the club has been sustaining LOSSES. Your lack of investment in matchday revenues isn't going to cripple the club any more than the FFP rules will. It's embarrassing actually to see pictures of five or so people 'protesting'. Consider the magnitude of the protests at Blackburn not too long ago, and there's us with our five cronies and their signs - we are a joke of a football club.

The truth is, the regime has learnt to live without your support, because for the most part, supporters are fickle, and most people have never supported the regime since it's inception.

And god forbid, those big bad investors want to recoup some of the money that they've thrown at this club and it's ungrateful supporters. What on earth do you think they got involved for in the first place? Are our supporters really that primitive?

If this mess isn't resolved before the season arrives, I'll be there, at Northampton supporting the club. And i'll see you all there when Coventry draw Liverpool/Arsenal/Tottenham at home in a cup competition.

Don't forget; Every time our captain facebook-posts about the tennis/the weather or how he's enjoying training; Turn every post into a message telling him to abandon ship, and that his club is total shit! Oh, and how he can't trust his employers.

...Then come here and complain some more with the other 'supporters'.

Seriously! :facepalm:

Is it just, you, Grendel and myself on this thread at this ungodly hour?

 

[Westendlad]

Is that you Tim...................

 

[Grappa]

I made my post with certain ideas of how it would be received, and frankly i'm both disappointed and unsurprised.

Yes, my original post had a condescending tone - You won't win a trophy for pointing that out! Hell, the title is condescending, so there's no 'reading-between-the-lines' necessary. I didn't bring anyone's GCSE grades into the equation.

Bottom line is this; SISU have made a catalog of errors during their tenure. This is not one of them! I'm not defending the past actions of SISU, i'm not defending the inexplicably dumb decisions they have made in recent years. I will however state my opinion which is that the real asshats in recent developments are the arena bosses, and especially the council!

Your responses?

- Telling me I need to 'wake up and smell the coffee' (very original and something I totally didn't anticipate when I chose my username - honest!)
- Telling me 'my head is up my arse' (Again, a real show of class).
- Using SISU's previous blunders (we've all made blunders in our life) as a way of attaching culpability for this particular blunder to SISU instead of the real culprits.
- My personal favourite: 'YOU ARE SISU' 'YOU ARE TIM FISHER'
- I also note that you all seem to take issue with this Grendel chap also, who seems perfectly pleasant to me. Can someone not have a different opinion to you without having things thrown at him?

This 'not one penny more' rubbish is fast becoming irksome also. The club is in administration, the club has been sustaining LOSSES. Your lack of investment in matchday revenues isn't going to cripple the club any more than the FFP rules will. It's embarrassing actually to see pictures of five or so people 'protesting'. Consider the magnitude of the protests at Blackburn not too long ago, and there's us with our five cronies and their signs - we are a joke of a football club.

The truth is, the regime has learnt to live without your support, because for the most part, supporters are fickle, and most people have never supported the regime since it's inception.

And god forbid, those big bad investors want to recoup some of the money that they've thrown at this club and it's ungrateful supporters. What on earth do you think they got involved for in the first place? Are our supporters really that primitive?

If this mess isn't resolved before the season arrives, I'll be there, at Northampton supporting the club. And i'll see you all there when Coventry draw Liverpool/Arsenal/Tottenham at home in a cup competition.

Don't forget; Every time our captain facebook-posts about the tennis/the weather or how he's enjoying training; Turn every post into a message telling him to abandon ship, and that his club is total shit! Oh, and how he can't trust his employers.

...Then come here and complain some more with the other 'supporters'.

Seriously! :facepalm:

Sadly mate I discovered long ago that the cliche about not being able to reason people out of a position they haven't reasoned themselves into, is true.

It's all about how much you hate Sisu now. They'll throw out things like 'if you're correct then how come you're in the minority?' and 'I'm not even going to discuss this with you because it's obvious you're a wum'.

It's almost as if they are unable to look at the nuances of the situation, safer in the belief that if one side is bad then the other must be good.

It's sad and does nothing to address the real issues.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

I can only speak for myself, but I fully take on board that the club needs access to more sources of revenue if it is to compete.

I also back the council in their stance on this though. If they are to do a deal re the stadium then it has to be with people they trust - hence the attempt to 'wrest control of the club' from SISU.

 

[Astute]

So the best way of getting more income is to move our club to where our income will plummet?

I just don't understand how anyone can have any faith in them when we all know that they feed us with bullshit all the time.

 

[SydneySkyBlue]

So the best way of getting more income is to move our club to where our income will plummet?

I just don't understand how anyone can have any faith in them when we all know that they feed us with bullshit all the time.

Apparently. You'll have to ask Fisher how that works.

 

[Danceswithhorses]

Perhaps they'd (CovCC) have to recover their 14M and ACL would have to remortgage that 14M - Almost impossible with no viable tenants!

And there we have it - SISU's plan all along, in plain english, written by another new poster.
Wonder how long ago Tim and Joy came up with this plan

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It is all so simple isn't it?

No one involved with the Ricoh or Alan Higgs trust Sisu and do will not deal with them.

Rather than selling the club to someone who will be able to complete a viable business partnership Sisu are willing to risk the very future of Ccfc.

Very very sad.

Only possible chance for Ccfc long term is a new set of owners but then its only a chance. Elliott, Hoffman and other Ccfc stalwarts all said Sisu were the answer and now look.

Move and the club dies quickly, stay and it dies slowly.

Anyone give me any hope??

Fl could always pull out a rabbit and say no viable business plan and make Appleton think again but I just can't see it

 

[grego_gee]

I can give a ray of hope!
We don't need new owners, we need new fans!
The ACL lovers on here are in the wrong place - this is a CCFC forum and all they do is support ACL!

Piss off and get your own forum! Call it NOPM!

imp:

 

[BrisbaneBronco]

Apparently. You'll have to ask Fisher how that works.

He should go on the Dragons Den to explain:facepalm:

 

[PWKH]

Some people believed Haskell had made an offer to buy have of ACL. We now know that is not true. We know nothing of the offers tabled. We do know Haskell has now been outbid on at least two occasions. We draw our conclusions.

Again you post as fact something of which you are completely ignorant.

The bit that is true is "we know nothing of the offers tabled" and that includes you.

 

[dongonzalos]

He should go on the Dragons Den to explain:facepalm:

I would pay £100 to watch that

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I can give a ray of hope!
We don't need new owners, we need new fans!
The ACL lovers on here are in the wrong place - this is a CCFC forum and all they do is support ACL!

Piss off and get your own forum! Call it NOPM!

imp:

How is a swipe at fellow fans a ray of hope??

How does one support Ccfc then? Buying a season ticket? Travelling to Northampton for home games?

If so I am an acl lover

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

I can give a ray of hope!
We don't need new owners, we need new fans!
The ACL lovers on here are in the wrong place - this is a CCFC forum and all they do is support ACL!

Piss off and get your own forum! Call it NOPM!

imp:

Been a fan for 54 years and still am who the fuck are you? Iv e had written warnings for going to matchers when I should have been at work and only missed matches when Ive been in hospital can the same be said of you you c**t?
Again hope you enjoy your 20 pieces of silver:jerkit: