Was it or wasn't it? (1 Viewer)

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

i know but i get annoyed when the same question is asked by the same person who can't seem to read when the answer is there for all to see

 

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[letsallsingtogether]

Correct but funny how they didn't want to buy it when they were there?
Just want everything for what they believe is the right price NOTHING. cannot people see through this we are fucked while they are here will want millions for something that is worth nothing but want to pay nothing for something that is worth millions.

They are just leashes

Sisu are taking us to hell in a hand cart.

Get back to the Ricoh on the best deal you can get. Worry about the stadium purchase later.

 

[CJ_covblaze]

Oh behave! The offer was made and declined in a very specific and particular legal environment, that being the case, could it not have been offered directly to Otium, away from that environment at a later time? Please tell me why it was not?

I'm not saying that it couldn't of been offered at a later date. It could/should've been. Why couldn't ML ring up when he was wearing his Otium hat and ask if the offer was still valid?

What would he have to lose? If it was a yes it would mean a deal cheaper than Sixfields and higher revenue. If it was a no it would be massive poke in the eye for the ACL/CCC/AH PR machine. ML would be well within his right to go straight to Les Reid and tell him all about it.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Correct but funny how they didn't want to buy it when they were there?
Just want everything for what they believe is the right price NOTHING. cannot people see through this we are fucked while they are here will want millions for something that is worth nothing but want to pay nothing for something that is worth millions.

They are just leashes

I presume you meant leeches?

 

[CJ_covblaze]

Funny, estate agents, letting agents, car salesman, etc, tend to follow up offers.

Car salesman: so would you like to buy this car, it's a good offer.

Me: it's a good price.

Car salesman: deal?

Me: sorry it's for the wife, so cant do a deal today.

Next day phone rings....

Hi, it's Peter from the garage. Wondered if you have spoken to the wife, and whether she'd like to come down for a test drive

Yes the offer could/should've been followed up. The point is why did it need to be?

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Because then they would have had no one else to blame.. it is all in there game plan, just a game of chess I hope they loose...

I'm not saying that it couldn't of been offered at a later date. It could/should've been. Why couldn't ML ring up when he was wearing his Otium hat and ask if the offer was still valid?

What would he have to lose? If it was a yes it would mean a deal cheaper than Sixfields and higher revenue. If it was a no it would be massive poke in the eye for the ACL/CCC/AH PR machine. ML would be well within his right to go straight to Les Reid and tell him all about it.

 

[valiant15]

Yes the offer could/should've been followed up. The point is why did it need to be?

You going to the chile game cj?

 

[CJ_covblaze]

You going to the chile game cj?

As that's a question about football I don't think it would be appropriate to answer it on Sky Blues Talk.

Actually I'll be a rule breaker. Yeah I am. You?

 

[valiant15]

Yeah ill be there along with the old fella and my lad. I might see you on the train back again. We're getting the same train but getting on at Watford.

I hope there's no Leicester fans on it this time lol.

 

[CJ_covblaze]

Yeah ill be there along with the old fella and my lad. I might see you on the train back again. We're getting the same train but getting on at Watford.

I hope there's no Leicester fans on it this time lol.

Hopefully so!

 

[skybluesam66]

it just goes to show that ACL and CCC are no more trustworthy than sisu-the lot of them do not care about ccfc - only their own personal agendas

 

[CJ_covblaze]

it just goes to show that ACL and CCC are no more trustworthy than sisu-the lot of them do not care about ccfc - only their own personal agendas

Rightly or wrongly for the club, they have to look after their own business. It's clearly in their best interests to have a team using the bowl with a large attendance every week or two. They can only do so much though to make that happen though. Have they done everything they can? Who knows? We'll have to play the waiting game to find out.

 

[chiefdave]

Didn't TF also say to Sky Sports News after the first CVA meeting regarding the 150K offer that he hadn't seen that coming and would need time to consider it or words to that effect. Did he then hit his head and forget it had ever happened or was he not part of Otium that day as well?

To be honest tho we're past this being a point worth arguing. Clearly if SISU wanted this deal they knew it was at the very least a possibility and would have acted on it. It only really becomes an arguable point if you believe SISU would have accepted it and ACL revoked it. I'm sure if that had happened SISU would have made sure everyone knew about it.

 

[sky blue john]

people on here are saying they should have offered this and that. What would have been the point ?
Timmy said ccfc had been thrown out of the Ricoh which was untrue but it suited Sisu in their quest !!!

 

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

Only one side has a political agenda?

One side for sure needs a hearing test?

 

[_brian_]

One side for sure needs a hearing test?

Pardon?

Brilliant!!! Literally LOLLING at that one, even if I do type so myself!!! LOL!!!

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

I could almost cry with frustration reading this thread. In the name of Sweet Jesus; is there anyone on this planet that still thinks this dispute is about rent?

It's about the freehold of the Ricoh.

Who offered what to whom; at what time and wearing what colored shoes after eating a certain sandwich for lunch is all superfluous.

SISU - in whatever iteration - want the Ricoh; and the rent was one of the pantomimes they used to pull the gullible ones onside; the thread instigator being a perfect case in point

 

[CJ_covblaze]

Didn't TF also say to Sky Sports News after the first CVA meeting regarding the 150K offer that he hadn't seen that coming and would need time to consider it or words to that effect. Did he then hit his head and forget it had ever happened or was he not part of Otium that day as well?

To be honest tho we're past this being a point worth arguing. Clearly if SISU wanted this deal they knew it was at the very least a possibility and would have acted on it. It only really becomes an arguable point if you believe SISU would have accepted it and ACL revoked it. I'm sure if that had happened SISU would have made sure everyone knew about it.

Very good point there. Although I think it was Labovitch not Fisher.

 

[duffer]

Didn't TF also say to Sky Sports News after the first CVA meeting regarding the 150K offer that he hadn't seen that coming and would need time to consider it or words to that effect. Did he then hit his head and forget it had ever happened or was he not part of Otium that day as well?

To be honest tho we're past this being a point worth arguing. Clearly if SISU wanted this deal they knew it was at the very least a possibility and would have acted on it. It only really becomes an arguable point if you believe SISU would have accepted it and ACL revoked it. I'm sure if that had happened SISU would have made sure everyone knew about it.

Spot on. I'd like to know if the rent offer of £150k is still open, partly because I'm curious and partly because it's further evidence of SISU's unreasonableness that I'd like to see proven or otherwise.

However, like you say, the truth of it is it's of little relevance - SISU don't want to come back regardless of the level of rent, even if it actually costs them more to stay in Northampton. What more evidence of their attitude and strategy could anyone need?

As for ML, how ludicrous. It remains me of a classic Eric Morecambe line. "Sorry, were you speaking in English? It's just that I was listening in French."

 

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

I could almost cry with frustration reading this thread. In the name if Sweet Jesus; is there anyone on this planet that still thinks this dispute is about rent?

It's about the freehold of the Ricoh.

Who offered what to whom; at what time and wearing what colored shoes after eating a certain sandwich for lunch is all superfluous.

SISU - in whatever iteration - want the Ricoh; and the rent was one of the pantomimes they used to pull the gullible ones onside; the thread instigator being a perfect case in point

Here Here.. or reflecting on my earlier post should that be hear hear?

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

I'd like to know if the rent offer of £150k is still open, partly because I'm curious and partly because it's further evidence of SISU's unreasonableness that I'd like to see proven or otherwise.

Indeed....I'd go even further and state that I'd like to see ACL make the offer again....preferably in an open letter in the CT or published online.....

That way, we'd all be clear as to where the 2 sides actually sit.

Come on ACL.....surely an open & transparent offer of £150K per year on a rolling basis up to a maximum of 5 years, for example, would score you a massive PR win.....and would clarify a lot for a lot of suffering fans....

What do you think PWKH??

 

[Grappa]

The question posed was basically 'has the 150k rent offer actually been made?' PWKH has made 2 posts so far in this thread. In the 1st he uses semantics around the term 'liquidation' and in the 2nd he goes on about the philosophy of the offer. He hasn't answered the question yet people are cheerleading him. If Fisher was as obfuscatory in response to a plain question you'd all be blowing fuses.
Just an observation.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

The question posed was basically 'has the 150k rent offer actually been made?' PWKH has made 2 posts so far in this thread. In the 1st he uses semantics around the term 'liquidation' and in the 2nd he goes on about the philosophy of the offer. He hasn't answered the question yet people are cheerleading him. If Fisher was as obfuscatory in response to a plain question you'd all be blowing fuses.
Just an observation.

Very true.....I'd be shocked to the core if he answers my little query !!

 

[Astute]

Indeed....I'd go even further and state that I'd like to see ACL make the offer again....preferably in an open letter in the CT or published online.....

That way, we'd all be clear as to where the 2 sides actually sit.

Come on ACL.....surely an open & transparent offer of £150K per year on a rolling basis up to a maximum of 5 years, for example, would score you a massive PR win.....and would clarify a lot for a lot of suffering fans....

What do you think PWKH??

And then wait for some to have a go at CCC for not wanting to sell to SISU saying our club won't be able to move forward without the freehold?

CCC won't be able to do the right thing for some people whatever they do.

 

[lewys33]

The question posed was basically 'has the 150k rent offer actually been made?' PWKH has made 2 posts so far in this thread. In the 1st he uses semantics around the term 'liquidation' and in the 2nd he goes on about the philosophy of the offer. He hasn't answered the question yet people are cheerleading him. If Fisher was as obfuscatory in response to a plain question you'd all be blowing fuses.
Just an observation.

He said the offer was made to otium. Yet ML (a director of Otium) was there on behalf of Holdings. How has that not answered the question "was the offer ever made?"

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

And then wait for some to have a go at CCC for not wanting to sell to SISU saying our club won't be able to move forward without the freehold?

CCC won't be able to do the right thing for some people whatever they do.

True....much like Sisu could buy us Barcelonas 1st IX and get us in the champions league but some would still refuse to go to games & shout NOPM at those "mayfair bastards"....

You can't please all of the people all of the time.....but ACL putting an offer out there for all to see would at least help move the current situation on a bit....even if it just crystallised peoples views with regards the 2 sides or precipitated some sort of action....

 

[lewys33]

Indeed....I'd go even further and state that I'd like to see ACL make the offer again....preferably in an open letter in the CT or published online.....

That way, we'd all be clear as to where the 2 sides actually sit.

Come on ACL.....surely an open & transparent offer of £150K per year on a rolling basis up to a maximum of 5 years, for example, would score you a massive PR win.....and would clarify a lot for a lot of suffering fans....

What do you think PWKH??

Im not sure people are really grasping this, but I will ask again. Why should somebody who has no ties with the club anymore do the running around making offers here there and everywhere?

The offer was made to Otium. A director from Otium (representing CCFC Holdings on the day) heard the offer, to the extent that the CVA meeting was adjourned for a few days. They turned down the offer, 1 reason being "it would be costly and complicated to get out of the deal with Northampton."

 

[Grappa]

He said the offer was made to otium. Yet ML (a director of Otium) was there on behalf of Holdings. How has that not answered the question "was the offer ever made?"

It was not an offer as it was added as a condition of signing the CVA, which the administrator said was not allowable. So it was an offer which couldn't be an offer which is a bit like one of them philosophical paradox things.

 

[TheParsonsHose]

This turned into a we (SISU) will buy the Ricoh or nothing. Interesting when we came from an initial argument around the rental being far too high and having no access to match day funds. Without knowing the structure of a 150k deal it represents a 85% discount on the face of it which sounded pretty good to me!
Not sure why a similar offer cannot be made now CVA or no CVA.

 

[lewys33]

An offer was made. It was made prior to, and repeated during the CVA meeting. It was made to Otium. Labovitch, a director of Otium said that he was not there for Otium he was there for Holdings. Therefore he heard no offer. It then becomes a philosophical question doesn't it? The man, Labovitch, was there. Labovitch was there for Holdings. As the offer was not to Holdings but to Otium he could not hear it. As a man he could hear it, but as a director of Otium he could not hear it, so it was not made....

It was not an offer as it was added as a condition of signing the CVA, which the administrator said was not allowable. So it was an offer which couldn't be an offer which is a bit like one of them philosophical paradox things.

:facepalm:​

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Im not sure people are really grasping this, but I will ask again. Why should somebody who has no ties with the club anymore do the running around making offers here there and everywhere?

...Perhaps because as a Senior director of an empty, tenant-less Ricoh Arena, who allegedly stated at a recent meeting with a SBTrust that they wanted CCFC to be playing there, they may want to clarify their position & show fans (their ex-customers) where they stand.....

it would also be better & cheaper PR than their current agency appears to provide IMHO...

 

[Grappa]

[CENTER:facepalm:[/CENTER]

Right back at ya.

PWKH is a clever bloke. He knows how to use words. He's saying an offer was made but he's neglecting to mention that said offer was unacceptable to the Administrator.
So technically he's correct but he's omitting an important part, I believe.

 

[torchomatic]

Coventry City won't be able to do the right thing for some people whatever they do.

 

[lewys33]

...Perhaps because as a Senior director of an empty, tenant-less Ricoh Arena, who allegedly stated at a recent meeting with a SBTrust that they wanted CCFC to be playing there, they may want to clarify their position & show fans (their ex-customers) where they stand.....

it would also be better & cheaper PR than their current agency appears to provide IMHO...

an empty, tenant-less Ricoh Arena which is apparently making money? What can be said on that really until the accounts are seen. I think they have shown more than enough times they want CCFC playing there, and have clarified their position. Not that it matters anymore because they have nothing to do with CCFC anymore.

 

[lewys33]

Right back at ya.

PWKH is a clever bloke. He knows how to use words. He's saying an offer was made but he's neglecting to mention that said offer was unacceptable to the Administrator.
So technically he's correct but he's omitting an important part, I believe.

The offer was made to Otium, not the administrator. If it was unacceptable to the administrator why did he agree to adjourn the CVA meeting for a few days? Did he need a few days to decide it was unacceptable to him?