Was Mark Robins (1 Viewer)

[Sky Blue Pete]

available when Mowbray left?

Simple question surely.

Asked on the phone in last Saturday. Linell thought it was a key question. Why has no one asked anyone? Eakin said we don't know if he was available. Well you and geoff foster are journalists, why don't you ask him

Surely it's as easy as asking Fisher. Did Mark Robins apply for the job in November?

Did you ask him to be the manager when Mowbray left?

Or to ask Mark Robins. Were you interested in the job in November when Mowbray left and in January when Venus left?

For me it's the key reason we are being relegated and it's clear Fisher takes no responsibility for that decision as well as many of the other decisions that have left us in this mess?

Wtat do the wise men and women of sbt think?

 

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[skybluetony176]

Asked the same question on here myself last week. Just doesn't make sense why we didn't go after him in the first place. Would have been a much more natural progression from TM than Slade that's for sure.

 

[Silence_Is_The_Enemy]

Apparently he was interviewed in December originally but they went with slade could be bollocks but the person who said that is usually pretty spot on

 

[mrtrench]

Much of the criticism of Fisher is fair but you cannot blame him for not knowing the future. At the time, even if Robins were available, he obviously thought he was doing the right thing. This forum was also largely supportive of the decisions.

 

[christonabike]

Maybe Sisu weren't prepared to offer the support Robins wanted and Robins told them to go away. A few months later the shit hits the fan and true to form Sisu realise when its all too late.
Would never of happened if the council were in charge. (Just for Grendel)layful:

 

[Nick]

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[Silence_Is_The_Enemy]

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I heard that to

The slade call I can forgive at least he was a manager with experience and we weren't to know what a clown he was, we got ourselves relegated when we let Venus play manager for 3 months and as such things like fitness were neglected

 

[hill83]

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I heard that too from a good source.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Jim the gateman.
Beryl the tea lady.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I heard that to

The slade call I can forgive at least he was a manager with experience and we weren't to know what a clown he was, we got ourselves relegated when we let Venus play manager for 3 months and as such things like fitness were neglected

tbh most of the managerial choices we make are sensible ones at the time (and that's more of a savage indictment of the off-field mess than anything, really). You're right, Venus was there too long, but probably bought himself some time with a couple of lucky wins early on, which gave a bit of breathing space.

Even with Venus, early on this board was bangig on about how much better things were now, then before he got the gig...

 

[trevelfarandwide]

It seems futile to dissect the proceedings at this stage. Anyone harbouring that shred of hope regarding survival should extinguish it forthwith; it's not impossible, granted, it's just improbable and highly unlikely. The factors to ensure survival are absurd.

Robins is here now, and I suspect he's tied contractually for at least 18 months, so let's see what he can achieve next season.

This team needs strength and momentum, two aspects that Robins can instill in these players over a duration. Who knows, L2 may not be that bad with MR steering the ship.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

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What do you think? There is an answer that I'd be happy with. In fact plenty but silence is nonsense

 

[trevelfarandwide]

What do you think? There is an answer that I'd be happy with. In fact plenty but silence is nonsense

Perhaps Robins was asked to take over, but he wanted assurances and some degree of control over signings/budget (maybe), but at the time SISU wanted to pay out less and have a more subservient character like Slade in the job.

That backfires, SISU go back to Robins with everything he asked for, regarding next season instead. Robins clearly does think he can turn it round here, cos if I were him, I'd have knocked Timmy out when he came knocking after Slade left.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Venus appointed Slade and Robins.

 

[torchomatic]

Most people on here - including me - seemed happy about the Slade appointment particularly after the Southend game where Venus seemed to lose his mind a little. I don't remember anyone mentioning Robins as a likely replacement then, although I didn't read every post on the subject so apologies if you did.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and don't forget Robins had three defeats in his first three games and there were rumblings then that he was the wrong appointment. Proves we are never happy or try to change history to suit ourselves.

For the record I wanted Slade and thought employing Robins again was a bit ridiculous. Pleased to say I was totally wrong on the later and unfortunately wrong with the former too.

There's no need to over analyse these things, I don't think. We should just enjoy the changes Robins seems to be making to our club.

 

[martcov]

Venus appointed Slade and Robins.

I thought he left because he wasn't consulted on Robins' appointment. I think Tim and Venus were not communicating at the end anyway and Venus seemed to vanish before the Robins appointment - which would fit in with the not consulted angle.

 

[Liquid Gold]

I thought he left because he wasn't consulted on Robins' appointment. I think Tim and Venus were not communicating at the end anyway and Venus seemed to vanish before the Robins appointment - which would fit in with the not consulted angle.

If that's the case then credit to Fisher (shudder) as Venus was an awful manager, couldn't get players in for toffee in the summer and picked our worst manager ever.

 

[Grendel]

What do you think? There is an answer that I'd be happy with. In fact plenty but silence is nonsense

There's no conspiracy. Slades CV in theory made him an ideal candidate - if they waited to appoint due to his compensation that's another issue.

However the impact Venus made with the squad at the start was better than Robims start anyway. The next 6 games may go well but we could easily fail to win any of them. Then what?

 

[martcov]

Depends on how you define impact. Venus knew the players, the players knew Venus. Robins saw what he thought was wrong, e.g. fitness, and has set about reforming the team from a different starting point to Venus. Tbf, his impact is only now being felt. I think that Robins, having had more managerial experience, will turn out the better manager. Venus was out of his depth as a manager and this was obvious seeing his interview after the Sheffield game. He had lost his confidence and seemed broken in that interview. I couldn't see him leading the team to a comfortable position based on leadership skills at that time. Robins is confident, has seen what's wrong, has a plan, and will, imo, get us at least to the playoffs.

 

[martcov]

Playoffs in League 2...

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

There's no conspiracy. Slades CV in theory made him an ideal candidate - if they waited to appoint due to his compensation that's another issue.

However the impact Venus made with the squad at the start was better than Robims start anyway. The next 6 games may go well but we could easily fail to win any of them. Then what?

No suggestion of conspiracy just think the question should be asked

 

[fernandopartridge]

No suggestion of conspiracy just think the question should be asked

Why? It's completely pointless. It does not matter.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Was Mourinho available when we got Peter Reid in?

 

[Grendel]

No suggestion of conspiracy just think the question should be asked

They thought Slade was better. A lot of people on here were negative when robins was appointed.

I guess with Slade the one thing that shouldn't have been allowed was recruiting just him and not his back room staff and only committing short term.

In the end it hadn't worked

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Why? It's completely pointless. It does not matter.

Seriously? I can't believe a fan would say that?

I'd love to know why Mowbray left.
I'd love to know why we didn't get a manager to replace him
I'd love to know if Robins is the man why we waited till relegation was all but certain before recruiting him

We can posture and have thoughts but I think those that can should ask that's all

 

[fernandopartridge]

Seriously? I can't believe a fan would say that?

I'd love to know why Mowbray left.
I'd love to know why we didn't get a manager to replace him
I'd love to know if Robins is the man why we waited till relegation was all but certain before recruiting him

We can posture I think those that can should ask that's all

It does not matter. It won't make a jot of difference now.

 

[robbiekeane]

Much of the criticism of Fisher is fair but you cannot blame him for not knowing the future. At the time, even if Robins were available, he obviously thought he was doing the right thing. This forum was also largely supportive of the decisions.

100% this. The general consensus on here at least (myself included) was that Slade was the right man for the job. He royally fucked it up but you can't blame the owners for that.

Again and again...so so much stuff to call these owners out on and yet we get angry for them not having a crystal ball - can't wait to see the nonsense that gets spouted next.

Usually in the form of
"Isn't it possible that....."

 

[covcity4life]

some people on this forum think robins wouldn't have kept us up even if he came in january as our squad is worst in league

lol

 

[robbiekeane]

Seriously? I can't believe a fan would say that?

I'd love to know why Mowbray left.
I'd love to know why we didn't get a manager to replace him
I'd love to know if Robins is the man why we waited till relegation was all but certain before recruiting him

We can posture I think those that can should ask that's all

Mowbray left cause he was being humiliated for the car crash of a squad he assembled and tactics that weren't suited for them.

How long was the gap? They probably we're having lengthy discussions with managers and wanted to get the right man. Not a great move in hindsight.

And finally, they recruited Slade because they, as well as many of us, thought he was the right man for the job. They and we were wrong. Unfortunately by the time that was evident it was already too late.

 

[covcity4life]

it was evident slade was shit way before he was finnaly sacked

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Mowbray left cause he was being humiliated for the car crash of a squad he assembled and tactics that weren't suited for them.

How long was the gap? They probably we're having lengthy discussions with managers and wanted to get the right man. Not a great move in hindsight.

And finally, they recruited Slade because they, as well as many of us, thought he was the right man for the job. They and we were wrong. Unfortunately by the time that was evident it was already too late.

Why not ask?

 

[robbiekeane]

Why not ask?

Which question do we need an answer to?

 

[Grendel]

some people on this forum think robins wouldn't have kept us up even if he came in january as our squad is worst in league

lol

Well its 6 points out of 15 so far.

Also yes this squad is probably worst in the league and certainly bottom 4

 

[covcity4life]

ok s

Well its 6 points out of 15 so far.

Also yes this squad is probably worst in the league and certainly bottom 4

so you are on record as saying robins would not have kept us up if he cam in January?

 

[CovBurty]

what's the point. what's done is done. if Robins can get the club winning games next season in L2 this season will be forgotten. just wish him luck and a decent budget.