He’s getting some meaningful minutes now at Preston with the 5 subs.
Would be a better option than what we have atm and Robins was always a big supporter of his - after his debut against Cheltenham think he started all but 2 games until he was sold
Sheaf has never looked out of his depth at this level, get over him
I didn't go to Stoke in the cup (what a prat!), but listened on 5Live.
Waddle was absolutely raving about Bayliss.
Didn't he take a back seat for the back end of last season? Then the season was ended early.
He's playing in a league where time and space is harder to come by. We are also often having less possession than the league 2 league 1 days. Shipperz doesn't win himself the ball so more and more things pass him by. He becomes a passenger and I don't see the solution.Shipley seemed (IIRC) to play better when Doyle was in the team. May be having a midfield Marshall alongside him suited Shipley - gave him confidence to try things knowing that Doyler was backing him up / knew what he was doing.
Unsure how many games Kelly / Shipley have paired up.
It’s not that Shipley has all of a sudden become a bad player, he just needs to be part of the right dynamic. Maybe he and Hamer will get into tune, or another strong deep midfielder.
Shipley seemed (IIRC) to play better when Doyle was in the team. May be having a midfield Marshall alongside him suited Shipley - gave him confidence to try things knowing that Doyler was backing him up / knew what he was doing.
Unsure how many games Kelly / Shipley have paired up.
It’s not that Shipley has all of a sudden become a bad player, he just needs to be part of the right dynamic. Maybe he and Hamer will get into tune, or another strong deep midfielder.
I’ve watched every minute of his play (like many others have) on Sky or IFollow this season.
I’ve seen a number of badly misplaced passes, needless fouls in dangerous positions, losing possession cheaply, making the wrong runs / not making any run, dwelling on the ball and losing, slowing down our own potential breaks and costing opportunities, giving away penalties, I could go on.
Now in fairness, a few glimpses of quality.
The acid test: choice between:
Hamer (champ quality)
Kelly (IMO champ quality)
Sheaf
I know who I’d play (ok one could waffle about depends who we are playing blah f blah)
Sheaf, in my opinion isn’t quite at Championship level YET.
You say that he is. That’s your opinion and you are entitled to it.
PS. Specsavers are open again.
Utterly crazy.
I don't think you understand what Sheaf's role in the team is.
This narrative that he gives the ball away a lot is 100% demonstrably false. He's not just our best player for ball retention (by far) but one of the best in the entire league. Look at the amount of tackles he wins, blocks he makes etc. Not only best midfielder in our team for all those categories but all up there with the best midfield players in the Championship.
Yes he makes mistakes (not as many as some of the favourites mind) but he's only 22 & has an incredibly high ceiling of potential. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him eventually play in the Premier League.
Utterly crazy.
I don't think you understand what Sheaf's role in the team is.
This narrative that he gives the ball away a lot is 100% demonstrably false. He's not just our best player for ball retention (by far) but one of the best in the entire league. Look at the amount of tackles he wins, blocks he makes etc. Not only best midfielder in our team for all those categories but all up there with the best midfield players in the Championship.
Yes he makes mistakes (not as many as some of the favourites mind) but he's only 22 & has an incredibly high ceiling of potential. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him eventually play in the Premier League.
Just out of interest, do you think he is good enough ? And if so, on what basis ?On Shipley, he clearly picked up a knock.
It was commented on in the match thread about 5mins before the change & Robins has said as much.
Seems some want to invent that he was hooked tactically just to backup their assertion that he's not good enough.
I went to that one and was called a die hard supporter for knowing who McNulty was when a press photographer asked
Good job he didn't ask Clive.
I think he's got the potential to be good enough and more importantly MR thinks he's good enough and I'll admit to conceding that MR has considerably more knowledge on the subject than meJust out of interest, do you think he is good enough ? And if so, on what basis ?
After Saturday I’m not sure MR does think he is good enough. In fact he didn’t make the first 11 for the final 3rd of last season very often.I think he's got the potential to be good enough and more importantly MR thinks he's good enough and I'll admit to conceding that MR has considerably more knowledge on the subject than me
With more budget he wouldn’t be anywhere near the starting 11I think he's got the potential to be good enough and more importantly MR thinks he's good enough and I'll admit to conceding that MR has considerably more knowledge on the subject than me
Just out of interest, do you think he is good enough ? And if so, on what basis ?
i don’t buy the injury on Sat. Shipley was ineffective before his knock and hasn’t looked comfortable all season.
I have no problem if you don't rate Shippers and yes he g=has been struggling, but what are you on re: 'not buying the injury?' Do you think he thought, 'I'll hobble and pretend I'm injured so the manager can sub me?' No player who wants his place in the team is going to do that. I assume you were watching, but he pushed their player in the back but then caught his knee in the process, and was hobbling straight away. P.S. Kelly wasn't faking his groin strain either.
With more budget we'd be LiverpoolWith more budget he wouldn’t be anywhere near the starting 11
With more of a budget on par with championship clubsWith more budget we'd be Liverpool
have a look at the 30th minute when shipley is subbed no one from the bench says anything to him as he walks pastExactly.
If you paid to watch the game on iFollow you can rewatch it, it's clear as day. About 24mins in to the match. He initially appears to make a signal to the bench but tries to carry on.
Mark Robins:
“He got clattered on his knee, I think, and he was sort of feeling his knee but you can’t carry anyone, and really I made that decision on the back of him holding his leg. And with everything else that’s going on around the place, with people feeling things and a lot of fatigue going on, and people getting injuries and the worry around suspensions, we have to be very careful.”
have a look at the 30th minute when shipley is subbed no one from the bench says anything to him as he walks past
Most the squad aren't good enough for this level, after two successive promotions. It wont be until we have at least three transfer windows (and I am not countinting those January fiascoes) that we should have a reasonable first 11 and bench. Shipley is actually one who might step up, still a very young player. Okay he is not going to be a Maddison - but good enough to progress and perhap stick around for our benefit.The whole squad have had to adjust apart from mcfadzean. He isnt good enough for the level just accept it
Not a very constructive comment. We dont really have a budget to compete at this level and we all know he wouldnt make Norwich or Bournemouths squads.With more budget he wouldn’t be anywhere near the starting 11
With more budget he wouldn’t be anywhere near the starting 11
Yep. His reaction after he misplaces a pass says it all - head down.He just looks shot of confidence. He needs something to happen like it did for max. A tap in, a worldie cross, a crunching 50/50 where he smashes the fuck outa their player, emerges with the ball. Anything. But at the moment he looks like he's running away from the ball
He won't be a maddison. He doesn't tackle, gives the ball away consistently and isn't very creative. If he wasn't from cov and given his Teflon status by the fans he wouldn't be at the club.Most the squad aren't good enough for this level, after two successive promotions. It wont be until we have at least three transfer windows (and I am not countinting those January fiascoes) that we should have a reasonable first 11 and bench. Shipley is actually one who might step up, still a very young player. Okay he is not going to be a Maddison - but good enough to progress and perhap stick around for our benefit.
With more budget we'd be Liverpool
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