Sky Blue Pete
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I don’t think byng is being fed information to leak to the press. Think that’s all him but I might be wrong
I don’t think byng is being fed information to leak to the press. Think that’s all him but I might be wrongI'm still struggling to see how it's CCC's fault in the slightest.
I'm not sure 'fault' would be appropriate for SISU in this particular instance, I suspect it's more 'don't have the cash available'. But as they appear to be using a few trojan Byngs to do the poor me, they lose sympathy hand over fist.
Literally been involved with stuff that's between ACL and ccfc?What have they done?
And you are adamant they didn’t speak to or try to speak to the directors of acl? I’m not
The idea that SISU were ever going to be serious contenders against the NEC and Ashley is laughable.Let's be honest as well to complete this analogy, SISU has a poor old cart horse on it's last legs hobbling out of the stable whilst the two thoroughbreds are going into the final furlong.
I tend to assume, by default, if somebody tells you something in confidence, it's because they want you to share it.I don’t think byng is being fed information to leak to the press. Think that’s all him but I might be wrong
I don’t think byng is being fed information to leak to the press. Think that’s all him but I might be wrong
Aye.I can't see how those handling the sale could sideline a bid the equivalent of, or greater than, Ashley's just because they had reeves or one of his cronies whispering in their ear.
Just doesn't add up on this occasion.
So basically creditors potentially have been screwed out of a bigger bid becuase the council didn’t want ACL to be sold to SISU ( the same company who isn’t owned by the council)I’ll play the game too as I only get told what people want me to know or hear
Conversations were taking place to get games on with ccc and reeves including significant sums of money being given to acl under noi to admin and potentially moving forward about the lease
At this point conversations stopped
Now I’m very happy I’m receiving answers to my specific questions and not from an unbiased position.
Why did they stop? Well it looks like Ashley turned up with a solution that didn’t involve sisu.
How could sisu bid for something without having conversations with the directors or potential administrators about the value of the assets / asset?
I’m sure if money were no object you could or if conversations were happening about how to make it possible that also would too.
You want facts ask joy or Dave or Derek or martin but they’re not gonna tell us fuckwits
In reality how would that work? The trustee for the bondholders has done absolutely nothing up to this point and the bondholders who have enquired about a way of contacting other bondholders so they can work together have been told this isn't possible. Is it one of those things that looks great in theory but in practice is hard to actually achieve?So basically creditors potentially have been screwed out of a bigger bid becuase the council didn’t want ACL to be sold to SISU ( the same company who isn’t owned by the council)
if that’s the case are we expecting legal action from the creditors then?
Indeed, and that's why SISU can't put out a 'Aww and we had a winning bid prepared and everything!' statement until MA completes...Aye.
And Ashley's not known for overpaying either, so I doubt it's a ludicrously OTT offer made just to get a stadium for his ego.
(In fact that's partly the reason I won't assume he's actually bought it until he has. He may be many things, but does seem relatively astute in business terms, so am sure he'll be checking everything out in great detail)
I think the race if that’s what you call it was on way before, Ashley was mentioned to be interested in CCFC after his Derby bid failed, the on going Wasp/ACL issue perhaps muddied things but from a Mike Ashley prospective if not Derby why not Coventry similar clubs both at the time with complicated ground issues. We will probably never know but MA was possibly nudged months ago.Everyone knew a race was on as soon as the first wasps holdings Notice appeared. At that point serious bidders would have started to look at putting an offer together
In reality how would that work? The trustee for the bondholders has done absolutely nothing up to this point and the bondholders who have enquired about a way of contacting other bondholders so they can work together have been told this isn't possible. Is it one of those things that looks great in theory but in practice is hard to actually achieve?
The other thing of course is Seppala is adamant that the club have funds to build a totally brand new stadium so once the owner of the one they are in wants out it’s clear they’d have more than enough money to buy and could use the considerable spare change to invest in the team
I tend to assume, by default, if somebody tells you something in confidence, it's because they want you to share it.
So... Byng's either making it all up (possible, tbf!) or it's been told him for a purpose.
Literally been involved with stuff that's between ACL and ccfc?
I tend to assume, by default, if somebody tells you something in confidence, it's because they want you to share it.
So... Byng's either making it all up (possible, tbf!) or it's been told him for a purpose.
Worked for the Oystons I guessI just hope they're not planning on digging their heels in and hanging around. Only way that can pay off is if we fluke a promotion without them investing which doesn't seem a very high end business strategy
what have i missed regarding Ashley's interest in the club? People saying he's having talks?
Worked for the Oystons I guess
I just hope they're not planning on digging their heels in and hanging around. Only way that can pay off is if we fluke a promotion without them investing which doesn't seem a very high end business strategy
They had to pay it all back didn’t they?Worked for the Oystons I guess
you cant come in here and just ask whats going on , no one who has invested the time to the lot is going to give you something on the cheap - get the owl to read the 314 pages and update youwhat have i missed regarding Ashley's interest in the club? People saying he's having talks?
Derek has disappeared or hadOh come on
“Derek I want to buy the place let’s talk”
“nah even if your bids 10 times more than Fat Mike your nasty wasty Sisu so I’m saying no”
Possible. I have been used in the past to facilitate information being shared. He’s just so unprofessionalI tend to assume, by default, if somebody tells you something in confidence, it's because they want you to share it.
So... Byng's either making it all up (possible, tbf!) or it's been told him for a purpose.
Don’t think so, how can she.
They had to give back the stuff they fleeced for the stadium, and conned out of their co-owner.They had to pay it all back didn’t they?
Have you thought Tim Fisher might want to stay on as chairman with a different owner, it wouldn’t surprise me at all.It’s still more than possible that Ashley has done a confidential deal for the club on the proviso that he acquires ACL first.
There isn’t actually any noise coming out the club that the council has screwed SISU over again, it’s all come from people who like to portray themselves of being in the know and someone like Simon Gilbert isn’t going to know if the deal is wrapped up in confidentiality clauses.
You’re going to have a hard time convincing me that CCC has screwed SISU over and Tim Fisher has fuck all to say about it.
Hardly think it would be bigger and although I am concerned about people losing their livelihood im more interested (sad I know) in ccfc being successful and I’m not blind to the fact that they are stimied currently having an owner not willing to invest modestlySo basically creditors potentially have been screwed out of a bigger bid becuase the council didn’t want ACL to be sold to SISU ( the same company who isn’t owned by the council)
if that’s the case are we expecting legal action from the creditors then?
It depends what his offer is though.
If he's offered 10 million for example, and a Premier league club offers 15 million for Gyokeres, then Sisu will sell.
She can’t sell anybody.Not sell, sell players, refuse to fund.
Yeah, it's why on the rare occasion I do speak to people ITK, I tend to try and keep it to myself as much as possible. Sometimes can't resist sneaking out tidbits such as CCC offering a potential stadium site to SISU once upon a time, but most of the time I don't want to be their mouthpiece.I have been used in the past to facilitate information being shared.
How can you bid for something when aren’t able to talk to the seller and don’t know what’s up for sale or included in the price??If after the event Sisu provided evidence they’d made a better off to the creditors absolutely
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