skybluetony176
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Or it's not for sale to the city's football team for the amount that the city's football team owners want to pay for it. How much did SISU value it at in court again?
It's just not for sale to the City's football club, it seems.
Hi Wingy
Even if there's not a word of truth in this, the very fact the story is out there and acl haven't denied it undermines all the talk of a fresh slate and working for a better future. It makes the future look as uncertain as ever and betrays the efforts of SP and the team and shows total disrespect for fans. Whether it's a game, a bluff etc doesn't matter - it just undermines positivity and means (as shown by this thread) the focus is yet again on negative stuff off the field which can't be ignored cos it has consequences for on the pitch.
Would this stop people from going to games?We had a few weeks of from the politics Michael. Quite enjoyed it while it lasted - but yes, the PR machines are cranking up again. Will put people off parting with their hard earned while all this is going on. We just need to do what we can as fans and support the team on the pitch as best we can (I will for the games that I can make).
Would this stop people from going to games?
Hi Wingy
Even if there's not a word of truth in this, the very fact the story is out there and acl haven't denied it undermines all the talk of a fresh slate and working for a better future. It makes the future look as uncertain as ever and betrays the efforts of SP and the team and shows total disrespect for fans. Whether it's a game, a bluff etc doesn't matter - it just undermines positivity and means (as shown by this thread) the focus is yet again on negative stuff off the field which can't be ignored cos it has consequences for on the pitch.
ACL has no fans - it is just a business.
whether we like it or not it is only the directors of Otium t/a CCFC that has a duty of care to the fans of CCFC. ACL has no fans - it is just a business.
You could argue there is some sort of moral duty by the ACL directors but faced with a client that says its future lies elsewhere, that repeatedly bangs on about ownership that is presently not available, repeatedly produces statements about a new ground, that has been intransigent and hostile (that's not saying ACL haven't ) but the simple truth is that ACL has no duty to CCFC fans moral, legal or otherwise.
The duty the directors of ACL have is to the company and its employees. If CCFC will not strike a more permanent deal then as has been said by ACL before they have to move on and source new income.
I do not like the implications for our club but I do understand that other options must be considered. That said it does seem to have a bit of hypocrisy about it remembering the legal threats ....... but then aren't Wasps already homeless (or about to be) but not in dispute .......rather than it being a tactic in an acrimonious dispute.
and yet we are told by TF/SW that the club is working well in partnership together with ACL .......... that ACL are glad to have them back and treating them like platinum clients :thinking about:
It will fuck the Coventry Rugby Club crowds up if it goes aheadIf this is true then it's as wrong as us being moved to NTFC. The Ricoh is the home of CCFC - end of. And we have our own rugby club already. Have acl, ccc, sisu not learnt a thing from what's gone on? Are they intent on destroying our club one way or another? The only thing acl should be saying to wasps is 'do one'. As fans we are in the hands of two companies - acl-sisu - who spout warm words about fans but don't give a flying fuck about us.
It will fuck the Coventry Rugby Club crowds up if it goes ahead
SISU were never going too I hope the wasps do carry on playing your games SISU
Michael. Yes fans should have a bigger say in their club .......... but there is no firm connection between club and ACL any more. The club are a day renting client nothing more, nothing less. As such there is little fans groups can do to influence what ACL do or do not do. You talk as if ACL and CCFC are closely linked and inter dependent so fans have got leverage on both. It simply is not the case. There is no immediate likelihood of fans meaningful representation at CCFC and not a chance at ACL. It is in this case the Sky Blue Trust not the Sky Blue & ACL Trust. That is the reality.
ACL will take business decisions - decisions that make the most of what they do or have - they rent and provision of space for business & people. Most of their customers are not attracted because of CCFC. It is not an emotional decision. If CCFC supporters boycott the Ricoh then ACL would fill it with other things - as they have done
On the other hand Otium t/a CCFC customer base is made up of fans or businesses that have a connection trade or emotionally to CCFC. The club has to take the wishes, emotions and needs of its customers the fans in to some sort of account or as we have seen they stay away. Fans boycott affect a football club. That gives fans groups leverage
There is a clear separation between CCFC and ACL that no supporters movement can change. The supporters movement relates to the football club. Not ACL so how exactly does a supporters movement or group have any great leverage on ACL?
The fans are first and foremost in the hands of the club. That club has a duty to provide the team and matches for its fans. So long as ACL provide what the club are prepared to pay for what responsibility exactly does ACL have to the fans?
My concern is solely the interests of the team and fans and I will oppose anything that is detrimental to those interests. I criticised sisu for what they've done and I'll criticise acl over this. As Duffer said, acl-sisu should be sitting down and planning a mutually beneficial future not engaging in all this nonsense yet again. The return to the Ricoh showed fans do have power and can influence things.
In saying all that, OSB, it is the Ricoh Arena, with their name emblazoned upon the top of a football stand, in a football stadium that was a CCFC badge on and sky blue seats all round.
CCFC may not be the best customer but let's not forget, the Ricoh Arena was built especially for Coventry City Football Club and at the end of the day the main part of the facility is a sports stadium.
I assume this is what LAST has been referring to over the last few days, unless we have another "shit storm" heading our way
The club are back in Coventry now, Jack.
If ACL decides to sell a stake in their business to Wasps it is nothing to do with SISU.
People like you seemed positively delighted at the notion that ACL were a thriving business who would pursue other commercial interests. ....
But I got the impression LAST had some good news. This is anything but good news, unless he has a new found love of London Wasps.I assume this is what LAST has been referring to over the last few days, unless we have another "shit storm" heading our way
well apparently TF knows of 1, 2 3 or even 4 sites in the Coventry area that are available that Wasps could build their own stadium on if they are intent on moving up here perhaps he could tell them where ..........
which the owners seem to be willing to kiss goodbye to for the second time as they go for this new stadium.
Actually the stadium bowl is less than 50% apparently
But I got the impression LAST had some good news. This is anything but good news, unless he has a new found love of London Wasps.
Was talking in revenue, OSB. Meant more in terms of sq ft of the complex. Just reinforces what the thing was built for in the first place.
I meant the sq ft Otis. The stadium bowl represents under 50% of the complex sq ft apparently
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