Stop moaning, we are where we are so lets start winning, fill the stadium and get on with it.
You don't also run the club shop do you ? They've given up hope as well.
Stop moaning, we are where we are so lets start winning, fill the stadium and get on with it.
This thread should changed to 'Jealous of Wasps'
Lets get CCFC back where we want them, Wasps can only help.
Giving us a share in the revenue which they've purchased and obviously need?
Or is there some other way that they can help - it's just that you keep repeating this, but you don't seem very clear.
Even if they gave us every penny the club generated, i.e.: all matchday revenues, share of naming rights etc, we would still be behind other clubs.
Wasps can only help by what?
Giving us a share in the revenue which they've purchased and obviously need?
Or is there some other way that they can help - it's just that you keep repeating this, but you don't seem very clear.
Really ?
Even though we get some of those anyway without investing a penny in providing any of the facilities ?
Just need to start winning and see where it takes us.
People will return if we move towards the top and they will continue to return if we can move up the leagues.
Yes, it has been explained over and over again. Every club gets matchday and non-matchday revenue apart from us (Stockport I think are the only team in a similar situation to us), of course not all grounds have the potential to make as much as the Ricoh as the Ricoh has excellent facilities for non-matchday use but even the worst, most dilapidated grounds have functions rooms and the like that are hired out.
There is a cost for the facilities, that's why we pay rent and matchday costs (not sure if they're still separate from rent)
Whilst we maintain large crowds for the division promotion to the Championship should be possible however it is not possible for us to be competitive in the Championship so the best we can hope for is occasional seasons struggling in that division prior to the inevitable relegation back to League 1.
Will they return to a level higher than the 20,000 plus we had when SISU arrived? Look at comparative revenues for championship teams from that period. Even with above average crowds for the division our revenues were at the bottom of the table. Unless someone is prepared to write a big cheque ever season how are you going to resolve that issue?
We also get some access to matchday incomes without ever investing in ACL.
For Non matchday incomes you need to buy into ACL and TF has already said it's not worth it.
We just need a winning team, moving up the league and lets see where it takes us.
So you keep saying.
We just need a winning team, moving up the league and lets see where it takes us.
There is nothing else we can do ........... is there ?
however all the clubs we are competing with are getting all the matchday income so as has been said we are at a huge disadvantage.
You could argue we have 'invested' millions into ACL via a vastly overpriced rent that was paid for several years. Your statement illustrates exactly the problem, you say we get "some access to matchday incomes" which is correct however all the clubs we are competing with are getting all the matchday income so as has been said we are at a huge disadvantage.
Fishers comments were more along the lines of ACL not being viable with the level of debt it carries but that is a totally different issue. The fact is we won't get those revenues until one of the following happens 1) Wasps fail and leave allowing the club and stadium to be united; 2) we build a new ground or 3) we wait 250 years until the lease is up for sale.
Where do you think that is going to take us? All the available evidence would indicate we can not be completive above the level we are currently at. You plan seems to be just hope for a miracle, not sure that's what we can all rely on.
Italia should work for Sisu as their strategy development guru.
Develop a plan ignoring all the indicators are telling you the opposite and just carry on regardless.
Huge? really? How much in £££ are we disadvantaged by?
Huge? really? How much in £££ are we disadvantaged by?
Maybe it is all we can do, but it isn't enough. Which is why people are pissed off that SISU didn't buy into the Ricoh and are also pissed off that the council sold ACL to Wasps.That's not my plan .... it's all we can do.
Huge? really? How much in £££ are we disadvantaged by?
The rent was set high because that was what it would be if we went into the PL.
1) We would still rent off ACL/SISU 2) We would still rent off SISU 3) We would still rent of SISU Worldwide Inc.
That's not my plan .... it's all we can do.
I think he meant we would be at massive disadvantage in the championship, which is correct. At this level are lack of revenues is more of a leveller, which bring us down to there level.
Maybe it is all we can do, but it isn't enough. Which is why people are pissed off that SISU didn't buy into the Ricoh and are also pissed off that the council sold ACL to Wasps.
Exactly, if people like italia are now saying that is the best we can do why are they not furious at the council? SISU have done many many terrible things and caused huge issues but CCC have killed off any hope things will ever improve to any great extent.
We already get a share.
Just need to start winning and see where it takes us.
People will return if we move towards the top and they will continue to return if we can move up the leagues.
There's no other choice so lets do the best we can.
There is no doubt Wasps will enjoy mutual benefits and want us here so we just need to get the best deal we can.
I suspect though that Sisu are clueless in this and will battle CCC and Wasps in court and Wasps will just let us rent the stadium once the current deal is finished.
Mark my words, if Sisu don't come to the party by the end of next year, we will only be renting the stadium at a minimum rent whilst they take ALL the incomes.
Sisu will be unable to justify moving out if the rent is only £100K and our level will be set at League 1.
Or build a new stadium. LMFHO
Er that's my point.
Your notion that a company that has purchased revenues for themselves having declared they would go bankrupt if they didn't own them will just hand them over is absurd. As absurd as sisu building a stadium.
I think you will now come out with some childlike response of "if you don't ask you won't get". So I have a challenge for you. Pop along to your nearest Car dealership and ask if you can have one of their cars for free. After all if you don't ask.....
Really ?
Even though we get some of those anyway without investing a penny in providing any of the facilities ?
We also get some access to matchday incomes without ever investing in ACL.
For Non matchday incomes you need to buy into ACL and TF has already said it's not worth it.
We do have it within our remit to generate our own non matchday incomes, but ......
Obviously a club shop, away from the stadium, with no stock is the way forward.
So you're agreeing that by not making a sensible offer to buy the stadium, SISU have killed off any chance of us having success in the future?
Sorry just corrected that for you...
You obviously plucked that 5 million figure out from between your butt cheeks
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