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skybluelee · Apr 13, 2012

egastap said:
To all of us outside the UK, it IS the English Premier League. Most people this side of the pond have never heard of the 'Barclays Premier League'.

But 99% of posters on this forum are inside the UK so please use language we undertsand. Thankyou.

jabharty · Apr 13, 2012

Changeyourface said:
By the way what the hell is the "EPL"?

English premier league, Division One, what ever you want to call it

Astute · Apr 13, 2012

jabharty said:
English premier league, Division One, what ever you want to call it

I thought it was the SPL. Skyruinedfootball Premier League.

1nilandwe... · Apr 13, 2012

It's about as interesting as the SPL. Or is that just me being sour because we're not there?

jabharty · Apr 13, 2012

1nilandwe... said:
It's about as interesting as the SPL. Or is that just me being sour because we're not there?

Nah, exactly the same thought. Same old shit every year:
English Prem: Man utd, Man city.
SPL: Celtic, Rangers

I always try to explain to people that the football leagues are the some of the best leagues in the world (Championship, L1, L2), cause you can never predict who will go up/down, and that there is never a side who wins every game. Prem fans always say: "Nah! Thats not true! Man city and Man Utd are pretty close now!" So what? It's all about money...

Astute · Apr 13, 2012

when we were in the top flight before Sky there was a chance of winning things, although we didn't win a lot. Smaller teams won more then. Now it is extra money for the big clubs, whilst the smaller clubs risk everything to stay in the promised land, paying overinflated wages to average players. A lot of the games are too much one sided. Not much chance of teams getting promoted these days and having a run at the top of the table. Too predictable now. I have the full Sky package, but rarely watch Prem games. Watch Championship games though as any team can beat any other team, just like the Prem used to be.

scroobiustom · Apr 13, 2012

I hardly think Man City warrant the same old shit status!

1nilandwe... · Apr 13, 2012

Very true. I used to love the transfer windows in the Premiership. I couldn't care less anymore. It's such a boring merry-go-round of obscene money and players who probably couldn't pick out their new homes on a map if you asked them.

LastGarrison · Apr 13, 2012

scroobiustom said:
I hardly think Man City warrant the same old shit status!

Agreed. Chelsea and Arsenal never won it either? (or Blackburn ) Spurs looked hopeful for a while. Newcastle vastly improving and could be a threat over the next couple of years. Liverpool........err actually forget Liverpool.

Not quite like your Scottish league yet.

Astute · Apr 13, 2012

jabharty said:
Nah, exactly the same thought. Same old shit every year:
English Prem: Man utd, Man city.
SPL: Celtic, Rangers

I always try to explain to people that the football leagues are the some of the best leagues in the world (Championship, L1, L2), cause you can never predict who will go up/down, and that there is never a side who wins every game. Prem fans always say: "Nah! Thats not true! Man city and Man Utd are pretty close now!" So what? It's all about money...

Just how I see it, but would add Chelski. All down to Sky money and people using teams as toys.

Astute · Apr 13, 2012

LastGarrison said:
Agreed. Chelsea and Arsenal never won it either? (or Blackburn ) Spurs looked hopeful for a while. Newcastle vastly improving and could be a threat over the next couple of years. Liverpool........err actually forget Liverpool.

Not quite like your Scottish league yet.

How have Arsenal done in recent years? Blackburn was a lot of years ago now, but also done with a rich owner. Money talks now. Lack of money means a good chance of getting relegated or spend millions you do not have and still risk relegation. Sure not as bad as the Scottish game though.

LastGarrison · Apr 13, 2012

Astute said:
How have Arsenal done in recent years? Blackburn was a lot of years ago now, but also done with a rich owner. Money talks now. Lack of money means a good chance of getting relegated or spend millions you do not have and still risk relegation. Sure not as bad as the Scottish game though.

But they are still there or there abouts and with the right buys could be challenging again. It's not like there is the two Manc clubs and they a 20 point gulf to anyone else.

Spurs have shown the blue print on how to do it and in reality have spent very little money considering. Norwich, Swansea this year have also proved it can be done.

I do agree that money is everything in football these days, however, I don't put the full blame at Sky's door.

Changeyourface · Apr 13, 2012

Since the Premiership was created in 93, Man united have won it countless times, Arsenal a few, Chelsea twice I think? And Blackburn once. Possibly one of the worst leagues in the world, a league created to make the big teams/companies rich and leave the poor clubs (and fans) to get poorer.

1nilandwe... · Apr 13, 2012

scroobiustom said:
I hardly think Man City warrant the same old shit status!

I'd say they were. They've turned into a faceless, soulless club. The only connection to Man City those players have is that they happen to wear light blue on a Saturday. They could be called Chelsea or Liverpool or Tottenham and nobody would notice the difference.

LastGarrison · Apr 13, 2012

Changeyourface said:
Since the Premiership was created in 93, Man united have won it countless times, Arsenal a few, Chelsea twice I think? And Blackburn once. Possibly one of the worst leagues in the world, a league created to make the big teams/companies rich and leave the poor clubs (and fans) to get poorer.

I don't have any stats but would be interested to see how that differs to say the German and Italian leagues? Most leagues have consistently good sides. Always have always will.

Again, how about the 20 years before the Prem was there that many different sides winning league 1? Suppose I should really google it.

hemelsky · Apr 13, 2012

In the 20 years prior to Premiership the champs were:
Liverpool 11
Arsenal 2
Everton 2
Leeds United 2
Aston Villa 1
Forest 1
Derby County 1

Astute · Apr 13, 2012

hemelsky said:
In the 20 years prior to Premiership the champs were:
Liverpool 11
Arsenal 2
Everton 2
Leeds United 2
Aston Villa 1
Forest 1
Derby County 1

Anyone see teams like Derby or Florest winning it now?

davebart · Apr 13, 2012

Or indeed Everton Liverpool or Arsenal.

LastGarrison · Apr 13, 2012

Astute said:
Anyone see teams like Derby or Florest winning it now?

Same could have been said for Man City when they were languishing in the third tier of English football.

Astute · Apr 13, 2012

LastGarrison said:
Same could have been said for Man City when they were languishing in the third tier of English football.

Until they had hundreds of millions pumped into them no. As said before, money talks. They are also a bigger team Derby and Florest will ever be.

LastGarrison · Apr 13, 2012

Astute said:
Until they had hundreds of millions pumped into them no. As said before, money talks. They are also a bigger team Derby and Florest will ever be.

Contensious....

Astute · Apr 13, 2012

LastGarrison said:
Contensious....

Can I have your better explanation on the matter then please?

LastGarrison · Apr 13, 2012

I suppose it depends on how you define a "big" club?

Support, trophies won, history etc.

Astute · Apr 13, 2012

Trophies won and history would bring in a fair few so called smaller clubs into the equasion.

canleykid · Apr 14, 2012

A big club these days is a big bank account,chelsea aren't a so called big there hardcore fanbase is not much different man utd and Liverpool biggest fanbase,money is man city and chelsea,on history of success it Liverpool and man utd,I don't mind what league were in I will still go to all games at least we can get pissed and have laugh and maybe just maybe win more often away

Glen · Apr 14, 2012

we will end up with torquay in january on a cold snowy night, drive half way there to be told called off becuase these crap grounds cant cope

Glen · Apr 14, 2012

could be heading here though

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