We have to pay acl £24m for revenue rights (1 Viewer)

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Sorry if the facts don't fit your theories but I have put down what ACL have told us directly. The source for this sudden £24 million number is a journalist, granted a well respected journalist, but where did he get this number from?

I was told that ACL are willing to discuss and negotiate individual aspects of ACL's revenue streams but these have not formed part of the current negotiations. Once the basic rent agreement is in place then other aspects can be discussed but to be adding new elements to the equation is just further delaying a resolution which we all would like to see.

Also the board members of ACL are not ex Cov council people, some are current Council employees and others represent the Higgs Charity. One is even an ex CCFC employee I believe.

Is not theories its known if you speak to the right people.

Martin Reeves and Chris West are both Coventry council people on the board and influenced by Mutton and co.

Acl as a whole is a bloody mess. They don't know how to maximise profit margins and a number of people have already said how a council can't run the stadium. There should be specialists running this and not ex IT directors and nhs trust people.

 

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[AFCCOVENTRY]

I said thank you for seeking some clarity. Jan has fetched us an answer from one side at least. I also asked earlier in this thread which interview Fisher had discussed it in, but got no answer. Also AFC does not say what his source is for his comments at the top of this page (p4). The whole thread lacks clarity. Until we get it, I doubt we can draw any conclusions from Moxley's claim one way or another.

I won't be disclosing who told me this but it is from someone in the media who isn't the one wrote the independent article.

 

[Grendel]

I said thank you for seeking some clarity. Jan has fetched us an answer from one side at least. I also asked earlier in this thread which interview Fisher had discussed it in, but got no answer. Also AFC does not say what his source is for his comments at the top of this page (p4). The whole thread lacks clarity. Until we get it, I doubt we can draw any conclusions from Moxley's claim one way or another.

I am sure if Moxleys claims backed ACL's side of the story we'd have had plenty of clarity by now.

 

[ashbyjan]

Have just spoken to Tim Fisher and he has told me that this number was one that was proposed by Daniel Gidney many months ago and has formed no part of the current negotiations. It was a number that obviously was dismissed out of hand by the club and has never been mentioned again by either party so it is really a red herring.
Clarified?

 

[Sky Blues]

I won't be disclosing who told me this but it is from someone in the media who isn't the one wrote the independent article.

An article written by somebody independent? Is there a link? Or do you mean it was somebody in the media other than Moxley, who made his comment in a radio interview yesterday?

I'm not having a go, I'm just wanting to read/hear for myself where possible the various sources of news feeding this thread.

 

[Sky Blues]

Have just spoken to Tim Fisher and he has told me that this number was one that was proposed by Daniel Gidney many months ago and has formed no part of the current negotiations. It was a number that obviously was dismissed out of hand by the club and has never been mentioned again by either party so it is really a red herring.
Clarified?

Thank you Jan for seeking clarity!

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

An article written by somebody independent? Is there a link? Or do you mean it was somebody in the media other than Moxley, who made his comment in a radio interview yesterday?

I'm not having a go, I'm just wanting to read/hear for myself where possible the various sources of news feeding this thread.

My friend is in the midlands media scene and there is no article mate. I'm only going by the information I have. Nobody on acl or Sisu are talking about the £24m because that's where the current issue is.

The media is very aware that acl, council and Sisu are all as bad as each other.

Acl have gone and broken confidentiality agreements with Sisu by going public with this.

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Have just spoken to Tim Fisher and he has told me that this number was one that was proposed by Daniel Gidney many months ago and has formed no part of the current negotiations. It was a number that obviously was dismissed out of hand by the club and has never been mentioned again by either party so it is really a red herring.
Clarified?

Both Acl and Sisu are giving you the run around on this. Lets see what happens. Ultimately we want the best for CCFC.

 

[TheRoyalScam]

Is not theories its known if you speak to the right people.

Martin Reeves and Chris West are both Coventry council people on the board and influenced by Mutton and co.

Acl as a whole is a bloody mess. They don't know how to maximise profit margins and a number of people have already said how a council can't run the stadium. There should be specialists running this and not ex IT directors and nhs trust people.

If ACL as a whole is, in your opinion, a 'bloody mess', how would you describe CCFC as a whole?

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

If ACL as a whole is, in your opinion, a 'bloody mess', how would you describe CCFC as a whole?

A mess as well. I'm not saying Sisu are perfect at all.

The Ricoh is being run by a crew who have no idea about running stadiums and events the same as Sisu are clueless about football.

Acl are under performing as a business and should be generating a lot more money from events.

 

[procdoc]

On behalf of the Sky Blue Trust have just spoken to a Director of ACL who has said that this figure of £24 million is completely erroneous. There have not been discussions for the total revenue rights at all and he is mystified where this number has been created from. The profits from the food and beverages on match days is being offered to the club for free, worth about £100k and if the club wishes to reflect the revenue or sales (around £1m) for salary cap reasons then that could be arranged. Also we were told that if the club wishes to negotiate on individual revenue streams such as car parking etc then ACL would be willing to do so but up till now these have not been mentioned.

Just to clear up all the nonsense that is being spouted about rent etc the highlights of the deal being offered are rent is £400 K including match day costs, then club would receive the ACL profits from match day catering, around £100k and a rate rebate of £150 k and this is how the total of £150,000 per season has been arrived at.

That pisses on Grendels bonfire. I'm sick of opening a thread and seeing the likes of him and Torch shouting down to everyone who has the nerve to criticise SISU. I
That is why I don't post much anymore too, winds me up!

 

[cloughie]

Another argument no doubt ignored by MMM and the others who worship the ground Mutton and his greedy coherts walk on.

The caveat is if this is true. It came from an independent source and if is true blows the argument apart.

No sausages today MMM just a big dollop of humble pie.

seems your theory is blown out of the water then

 

[ashbyjan]

Not in the business of pissing on anyones chips - just trying to get some facts into the arguments. People can interpret those facts how they wish and come to their own conclusions. The one fact that I hope all can agree upon is that anyone who posts on this or any other forum has the best interests of CCFC at heart. We can disagree what those best interests are but we shouldn't ever resort to personal abuse or insults. Football is a game based around opinion and thats what makes it so exciting and infectious - just wish we could be getting on with discussing football and not balance sheets and finances.

 

[Constance Markievicz]

Not in the business of pissing on anyones chips - just trying to get some facts into the arguments. People can interpret those facts how they wish and come to their own conclusions. The one fact that I hope all can agree upon is that anyone who posts on this or any other forum has the best interests of CCFC at heart. We can disagree what those best interests are but we shouldn't ever resort to personal abuse or insults. Football is a game based around opinion and thats what makes it so exciting and infectious - just wish we could be getting on with discussing football and not balance sheets and finances.

:facepalm:

 

[Grendel]

That pisses on Grendels bonfire. I'm sick of opening a thread and seeing the likes of him and Torch shouting down to everyone who has the nerve to criticise SISU. I
That is why I don't post much anymore too, winds me up!

You're "input" isn't being missed.

 

[Grendel]

seems your theory is blown out of the water then

Not according to afc Coventry it isn't.

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

That pisses on Grendels bonfire. I'm sick of opening a thread and seeing the likes of him and Torch shouting down to everyone who has the nerve to criticise SISU. I
That is why I don't post much anymore too, winds me up!

Not so much that it winds me up - more that it just seems pointless.

 

[oldskyblue58]

so let me get this right .......... both Tim Fisher and a director of ACL (each closely involved in the actual negotiations) have both said that the figure of £24m plays no part in the current negotiations.............. but because a daily mail journalist said it then it has to be fact ??

 

[Grendel]

so let me get this right .......... both Tim Fisher and a director of ACL (each closely involved in the actual negotiations) have both said that the figure of £24m plays no part in the current negotiations.............. but because a daily mail journalist said it then it has to be fact ??

The journalist did not say it was in the current negotiations.

 

[sky blue john]

Grendel are you TF's dad because only a father could support him to the bitter end like you have ?

 

[Stevec189]

An independent journalist who often writes articles about the club in the daily mail.

The Daily Mail - that well known instrument of acurate factual information!

 

[hopesprings]

You're "input" isn't being missed.

Not missed by you I assume. Surely you do not speak for EVERYONE else on this forum? I may be missing his input

 

[procdoc]

You're "input" isn't being missed.

Yeah whatever. Anyone who dares to have a different opinion to you gets berated or shouted down to.

 

[Grendel]

Grendel are you TF's dad because only a father could support him to the bitter end like you have ?

No he paid me to say nice things just like you implied he did with mark robins.

 

[cloughie]

some will be quoting the daily sport as factual next :facepalm:

 

[Official Away Travel]

Grendel -you do talk out of your arse lol

 

[oldskyblue58]

The journalist did not say it was in the current negotiations.

so in the context of the current discussions which are the only ones that matter, and includes discussion by both parties of rights to match day income, it (the £24m) has absolutely no relevance then

 

[Skyblue4u]

This is scandalous! I wish I could get that sort of return on my savings I invested. Maybe it's time to give SISU a break and start a ACL & Council OUT!

 

[Sky Blues]

This is scandalous! I wish I could get that sort of return on my savings I invested. Maybe it's time to give SISU a break and start a ACL & Council OUT!

Read the whole thread (or please accept my apologies if you are being sarcastic).

 

[torchomatic]

Yeah it's like ACL stooges moaning about stuff who weren't even at the meetings. Oh, hold on....

What a ludicrous statement. Would Joy actually turn up to meet with mediators? If so, why would she do so, and only send unempowered stooges to the last ACL meeting, who then renage on what they've agreed? And if she won't turn up, again, then there's no point

 

[Skyblue4u]

Read the whole thread (or please accept my apologies if you are being sarcastic).

I did read the whole thread but nobody really knows what is going on so I'm jumping on the ACL and Council out bandwagon today but tomorrow is another day

 

[deanocity3]

we voted the council in
perhaps we should get off our backsides on the next council election day and get them out.
having said that who went and voted last time?

 

[oakey]

we voted the council in
perhaps we should get off our backsides on the next council election day and get them out.
having said that who went and voted last time?

Good luck with that. All councillors are Labour or Conservative, I think.
All voted for the current council position.
Do you really think you can get a council which had a majority which was not Labour or Conservative?
The majority in each ward would have to vote Lib Dem, Green, indie or UKIP.
The council represent the democratic will of the people of Coventry. They are protecting a public asset which they might be willing to sell to a company which fulfils criteria to satisfy public interest. They are subject to strict rules; they are not just acting petulantly as some claim.
As you didn't vote deano, it suggests you are not a big fan of local democracy? Do you have an alternative?

 

[torchomatic]

the morewe hear the more it comes quite obvious that the Ricoh is not the venue for us. Even if we could afford to buy half of it, the other 50% would still be the bloody Council and their quango mates. No investor in their right mind will buy CCFC as it stands and Stuart Linnell is spot on here; all a potential buyer would get is a name, a few player contracts, Ryton and fans - and a lot of them are cheering for a joint venture company.

I would love to leave the Ricoh for our OWN ground.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Good luck with that. All councillors are Labour or Conservative, I think.
All voted for the current council position.
Do you really think you can get a council which had a majority which was not Labour or Conservative?
The majority in each ward would have to vote Lib Dem, Green, indie or UKIP.
The council represent the democratic will of the people of Coventry. They are protecting a public asset which they might be willing to sell to a company which fulfils criteria to satisfy public interest. They are subject to strict rules; they are not just acting petulantly as some claim.
As you didn't vote deano, it suggests you are not a big fan of local democracy? Do you have an alternative?

Socialist Alternative (Dave Nellist) had a councillor...