We need an experienced manager! (4 Viewers)

gaz said:

I'm with kg82 on this one,
Adams was a very popular choice at the time and it would be fair to say he was a fans choice.
( Top of a newspaper poll by a few hundred fans or not. )

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I am pretty sure the Sky Bues Trust had Adams as their first choice, but the Telegraph poll didn't. A very popular choice is not the same as first choice is it. All in the past now though anyway. I certainly didn't want Adams here ... or Coleman, or Reid, or Dowie or Boothroyd for that matter. Dowie was the only one I was okay about coming to be honest.

PVA said:

Davies complained that he needed more transfer funds after spending 10 mill in one season, no chance he'd come here.

More realistic options would be Sean O'Driscoll or mark robins.

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I think we'd struggle to attract even them, as they would be on a hiding to nothing - they won't be able to bring any players in or their own backroom staff, and they won't be able to hide behind the 'inexperienced' tag.

The people who might be interest would be the even older barking mad managers like bobby Gould, jim smith, etc

Barking's better than we have at the moment though I would have though!!

Bobby Gould would do it for free.

I remember that too Otis, Adams wasn't top I think Black and Johnson were up there.

Of all those mentioned in that period, Dowie had by far the best record, and we sacked him for non-footballing reasons. I hate to think what we could have done with Ransons cash and Dowie in charge rather than Coleman.

Well, I remember Adams being my choice, Dowie being my choice and Coleman being my choice. I'm not pulling any punches, they were the ones I wanted at the time and I don't remember being in the minority on that. We can be really picky here and say, not all fans wanted those managers. Of course fans are going to disagree with each other on certain things. But like I said, I wasn't in a minority so therefore I was in a large group of fans who did want Adams, Dowie and Coleman. Sure, in hindsight and a bit more experience of being a Coventry fan then my opinion would change now.

...I take it then that the opinion now is we should change the manager and we can do that? Where have all those opinions gone on us not having money to do that? Are you all agreeing now SISU must find the cash to make a change? Oh OK Thank you for waking up!
The way some on here switch and change really does weaken your opinions...

Agreed Paxman. I was just thinking how fickle most fans are. Many thought Aidy was the business when we were 4th-credit to a mate of mine who stuck to his guns about him being a one-trick-pony even then.

It's why I constantly restate my opinion-Thorn has my backing, as he does the 3 people I go to games with and my 3 brothers, and we all think it's the boards fault. The job is Mission Impossible. And I thought we were going to go down in the summer, and I still do!

Tis the board's fault. Thorn isn't helping though. His best appears to not be good enough.

Well i hear Svens quiet @ the moment and believe he probably has enough in payoffs to purchase us outright.

Lets all then get in touch with Sven. Anyone have his address?

Alwaysasellingclub said:

Im sick and tired of my club appointing unporven managers, we need someone proven at this level, such as Shaun o'Driscoll, who on a low budget worked miracles at Donny , a league 1 club, and made some great signings. Or Mark Robins, who worked wonders at Barnsley as well. Maybe Carsley as assistant but not manager, hes not ready!

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Low budget I think you will find it hard to find a manager who wants to work with NO MONEY, NO BUDGET , thats what Thorn has

SISU OUT

shmmeee said:

Bobby Gould would do it for free.

I remember that too Otis, Adams wasn't top I think Black and Johnson were up there.

Of all those mentioned in that period, Dowie had by far the best record, and we sacked him for non-footballing reasons. I hate to think what we could have done with Ransons cash and Dowie in charge rather than Coleman.

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I'd rather stick with Thorn if Gould was the only option.

Dowie and all that cash? He never made a decent signing in his life.

Nonleagueherewecome said:

Agreed Paxman. I was just thinking how fickle most fans are. Many thought Aidy was the business when we were 4th-credit to a mate of mine who stuck to his guns about him being a one-trick-pony even then.

It's why I constantly restate my opinion-Thorn has my backing, as he does the 3 people I go to games with and my 3 brothers, and we all think it's the boards fault. The job is Mission Impossible. And I thought we were going to go down in the summer, and I still do!

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I've always been consistent in my opinion of Thorn - has it from day one and never changed it. He has managed to live down to my expectations.

You lot need to chill we have thorn and need to stick with thorn.What other options do we have this is not mismanagement this is thorn trying his hardest with what he has. With no money from the boad no manager will get us out of this mess. Please remember we would of been down at the end of last season if not for thorn so please dont turn your backs on thorn. If a new man came in he would only be in the same boat as thorn. We need to stick together for the love of our club and get the sisu scum out PUSB

skyblusam said:

You lot need to chill we have thorn and need to stick with thorn.What other options do we have this is not mismanagement this is thorn trying his hardest with what he has. With no money from the boad no manager will get us out of this mess. Please remember we would of been down at the end of last season if not for thorn so please dont turn your backs on thorn. If a new man came in he would only be in the same boat as thorn. We need to stick together for the love of our club and get the sisu scum out PUSB

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We would not be down without Thorn last season - we won three games unless of course you can look into the past and see what events transpired with Boothroyd or someone else in charge. This is mismanagement at the highest level. He cannot motivate, cannot change tactics, cannot conduct himself in front of the media properly. Sorry, he is the worst manager I have seen at this club ( and I have ssen a few). You refer to SISU as scum -- well they are the only people stupid enough to employ this clueless idiot as manager of this club and as soon as the "scum" go then so will he.

kduffy said:

We would not be down without Thorn last season - we won three games unless of course you can look into the past and see what events transpired with Boothroyd or someone else in charge. This is mismanagement at the highest level. He cannot motivate, cannot change tactics, cannot conduct himself in front of the media properly. Sorry, he is the worst manager I have seen at this club ( and I have ssen a few). You refer to SISU as scum -- well they are the only people stupid enough to employ this clueless idiot as manager of this club and as soon as the "scum" go then so will he.

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Dont want to argue with you but how is he the worst manager you have seen at this club. at the arse end of last season when he came in you were most proberly saying to yourself how good he was pulling some amazing results out of the bag. But that was the differance he had more to work with did he not. So as he has no support this season you think he is the worst ccfc manager we have ever had. Even if he changed tactics with subs or formation etc we would still be in the same boat please tell me how we would not be. And yes sisu are scum and thats why we are where we are.

I am begining to lose all faith in Thorn, who is begining to come accross as some sad, laugh it off, it will be all right, joker.

To quote todays telegraph Thorn said this about the Brighton game.

"You saw a difference in our second-half display and one thing I will say is that we will play our way out of trouble, like we did in the second half."

skyblusam said:

Dont want to argue with you but how is he the worst manager you have seen at this club. at the arse end of last season when he came in you were most proberly saying to yourself how good he was pulling some amazing results out of the bag. But that was the differance he had more to work with did he not. So as he has no support this season you think he is the worst ccfc manager we have ever had. Even if he changed tactics with subs or formation etc we would still be in the same boat please tell me how we would not be. And yes sisu are scum and thats why we are where we are.

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Actually I did not want him from the start. I don't remember any "amazing" results - you must be confusing him with someone else. I do remember he has the worst manager record in my living memory though and something needs to change.

torchomatic said:

Yes, we've had a long line of them since Butcher. If AT does get the chop - which I don't think he will - then we should appoint someone with experience and NOT Lee Carsley. Oh, I don't want AT to go, BTW.

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If he does go Im sure Ken will look forward to adding another role to his growing list

Moff said:

I am begining to lose all faith in Thorn, who is begining to come accross as some sad, laugh it off, it will be all right, joker.

To quote todays telegraph Thorn said this about the Brighton game.

"You saw a difference in our second-half display and one thing I will say is that we will play our way out of trouble, like we did in the second half."

Now forgive me if i am wrong, we didnt paly ourselves out of trouble as we lost, and if we continue playing as we are we will stay as we are as so far its got us two wins and twenty third in the table.


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Wasn't there but by all accounts their keeper had nowt to do in the 2nd half. Playing our way out of trouble at the moment is playing in our own half and not threatening.

given that Thorn played under Gould and that Gould has previously stated he would work for us for nothing why not bring him in as a consultant / director of football or something like that. At least then there would be someone with a bit of experiance to guide Thorn a little. As we've got no money that for me would be the only option.

if we have got money to replace the manager we'd be better off spending it on players.

Otis said:

Also have to say that I think a lot of people are missing the point. Yes, we have had experienced managers here before and they have failed, but it has been a completely different remit. They have come in to try and push us into the top half of the table and beyond. The aim has been play-offs or better.

Completely different kettle of fish at the bottom of the table. Now we would be looking for a wise old head to get us out of the bottom three. It is in this particular situation that you really could do with a man with experience of working right down the bottom of table and having the ability to turn things round.

As i say a completely different remit to previous seasons (can anyone remember any other season in the Championship when we have been down in the bottom 3 for a period of time?) and an experienced man at the helm or indeed the bringing in of help to aide AT would not be an unwise move at all.

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Good post Otis and the first one I have seen from anyone with a serious suggestion/ possible solution.
Its not like we haven't done it before I remember us bringing in Ron Atkinson to help out Strachs.

chiefdave said:

given that Thorn played under Gould and that Gould has previously stated he would work for us for nothing why not bring him in as a consultant / director of football or something like that. At least then there would be someone with a bit of experiance to guide Thorn a little. As we've got no money that for me would be the only option.

if we have got money to replace the manager we'd be better off spending it on players.

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But isn't that what Steve Harrison should be doing?

The squad isn't as bad as people moan on about. They've held most of the top teams and then collapsed umpeen times in the last 15 minutes. That lack of belief that they can win is something that the manager should be able to fix. But that winning mentality simply isn't there - remember what happened at Palace this season - that has set the tone for what has come since. On this basis, I would say that Thorn isn't getting the best out of his players

nicksig said:

The squad isn't as bad as people moan on about. They've held most of the top teams and then collapsed umpeen times in the last 15 minutes. That lack of belief that they can win is something that the manager should be able to fix. But that winning mentality simply isn't there - remember what happened at Palace this season - that has set the tone for what has come since. On this basis, I would say that Thorn isn't getting the best out of his players

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But isn't it also about the lack of quality? All teams have phases of being on top in a match, whatever level you are playing at. Teams like Swansea, wigan, wolves, etc will all have spells of play when they are on top, even against man u, Chelsea, etc. But they usually lose being they can't exert themselves for a whole 90 mins, ie they have less quality and consistency than the top teams.

sky blue john said:

Good post Otis and the first one I have seen from anyone with a serious suggestion/ possible solution.
Its not like we haven't done it before I remember us bringing in Ron Atkinson to help out Strachs.

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It was Big Ron who bought Strachan in as HIS number 2, get your facts right

Sure we are lacking in quality but the question is whether AT is getting the most out of the squad he has. If you can be ahead after 70 minutes then you;ve got enough talent to win games. What is lacking is self-belief, and a bit of strategic nouse. When you're in the bottom 3 you need experience and a plan of action. Saying the players gave it there all isn't enough for me. Whether we'd get anyone better is another matter but with 2 wins out of 20 and sitting at the bottom of the table I don't see we've got much to lose. Would I keep Thorn in another role? Yes.

stupot07 said:

But isn't it also about the lack of quality? All teams have phases of being on top in a match, whatever level you are playing at. Teams like Swansea, wigan, wolves, etc will all have spells of play when they are on top, even against man u, Chelsea, etc. But they usually lose being they can't exert themselves for a whole 90 mins, ie they have less quality and consistency than the top teams.

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One problem for AT is the increasing number of people questionning his ability to manage. That is a slippery slope to change unless the team starts winning.

He can claim to be a decent chief scout, although it isnt all down him you know there would have been others involved and making recommendations. I am happy to accept those credentials

I have supported him because he is the manager, said i wouldnt judge him until he had been in charge a decent period .... is 29 games a decent period? I think so. However from day one I have always been prepared to look beyond fans hype to look at what I think he is doing. This season even without the usual excuses in his defence was always going to be tough for him. Biggest factor is the lack of a good grounding in management he simply hasnt learnt that skill well enough yet. Does he get the best out of the squad ? well increasingly fans believe the diamond doesnt work for this squad so if the system is wrong how can the squad play to the best of their abilities ?

As a manager then his lack of experience in any form of team management counts heavily against him. It has made a tough job even harder. No one could say he hasnt set out his stall to play football not hoofball but some how he hasnt made it winning football..... I dont think he really knows how to make what is in his head work on the pitch. I do query whether he knows what is best for the squad we have, it seems he has chosen the system and making the squad fit it rather than the other way round which would be the clever managerial bit. But the players love to play that way goes the cry - so what! - its no good playing pretty non progressive neutral football if we dont win matches. Wonder if some players like it because they dont have to work so hard? Winning is from here on in to the end of the season the be all and end all !

There are the obvious factors that have hampered him but he is still part of the problem as much as the solution. By anyones standard 5 wins in 29 league games is poor 27 points out of a possible 87 in his tenure is not good enough. On a hiding to nothing from day one he has given it his all of that there is no doubt, but is his best really good enough ? I dont want us to go down, AT is from what i can see a good guy but if folk cannot see that he contributes to our present situation then they need to look again

As for the finance side of it, still say we cant afford the right appointment, we dont have the funds. Putting in a stop gap doesnt change anything, and as such why change? the result will be the same. The right appointment will involve paying off the current manager, back room staff, paying more for the new guy and his staff and god forgive we actually give him money to spend! Where given what we know does that come from ? If that money is available why havent we spent it on players?

The thing just goes round in circles. The key is always the money

well put 'osb',
and your final statement 'the key is always the money' is spot on,
any experienced football professional, currently on the sidelines, would take one long look at the club,
and then evaluate the possibility of progress,
maybe, even, a question to the owners,
a then see it as an impossible task,
to the best of my knowledge Bobby Gould said he'd do it for nothing, he would know AT from the Wimbledon days, but i reckon BG would find our owners, too obdurate to work with

PUSB