We need strikers!! (1 Viewer)

Kingokings204 · Jul 5, 2014

We now have not one striker in the team and we need 4 strikers to come in now. We now have the money or more likely wages to do this as I believe we won't pay for signings but could offer them a decent wage.

Come on guys who do we want who is realistic and can replace Clarke and Wilson's goals?

Kingokings204 · Jul 5, 2014

A couple from me to get the ball rolling.

Robo suggested David goodwillie and I would agree as league 1 more his level.

I also heard of Connor salmon from derby and again would be a great signing. Big and powerful presence.

edgy · Jul 5, 2014

Now as in now? Today at 7.26am.

Sometime next week will do me.

stupot07 · Jul 5, 2014

We only had 3 on the books at anyone time:

Clarke, Wilson, Manset
Wilson, delfouneso, Eccleston

So I reckon he'll only bring in 3, and the 4th will be an academy graduate.

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Kingokings204 · Jul 5, 2014

Good point but as we found out last 3 isn't enough. 1 gets injured and one suspended and one out of form. It's easy to end up with no strikers. You can then bring in someone but they don't know the tactics or all that so it's not productive. 4 good strikers please.

Spagbol · Jul 5, 2014

Beginning of last season it was all about the understanding between Clarke and wilson, and all the work they did together. We need to get any strikers in now and start them working together.

Deleted member 4232 · Jul 5, 2014

Im pretty pissed off with the loss of Wilson, and I honestly cant see the goals coming like they did last season. We are going to struggle.

Astute · Jul 5, 2014

Kingokings204 said:
Good point but as we found out last 3 isn't enough. 1 gets injured and one suspended and one out of form. It's easy to end up with no strikers. You can then bring in someone but they don't know the tactics or all that so it's not productive. 4 good strikers please.

Our club can't afford 4 strikers. We need two strikers, one attacking midfielder that can do the job when needed and an academy striker that knows where the net is.

We are where we are now through overspending. Our income is poor. Our debts are a disaster. And none of this will change until we are back at the Ricoh.

Kingokings204 · Jul 5, 2014

Astute said:
Our club can't afford 4 strikers. We need two strikers, one attacking midfielder that can do the job when needed and an academy striker that knows where the net is.

We are where we are now through overspending. Our income is poor. Our debts are a disaster. And none of this will change until we are back at the Ricoh.

100%.

I would say minimum 3 strikers though and I think SP will get them. He has to. Would of been a requirement to let Wilson go. He wanted 3 before he went didn't he?

woody11462 · Jul 5, 2014

I think Salmon and Goodwillie would be great signings but having come from teams that we're paying them very good wages I find it highly unlikely either will come here. The mention of Scott Hogan and Sam Winnall are more likely as both were in league 2 last year so a realistic wage for us is likely to be a rise for them.

Astute · Jul 5, 2014

Kingokings204 said:
100%.

I would say minimum 3 strikers though and I think SP will get them. He has to. Would of been a requirement to let Wilson go. He wanted 3 before he went didn't he?

I would prefer two decent strikers and two as backup than four that are cheap and not very good. It sounds like we now have a midfielder that can play up front. If we have an academy striker who is half decent I would be happy with two decent strikers.

rupert_bear · Jul 5, 2014

The loss of all those goals from Wilson, Clarke and Moussa will take some replacing, however if we can stop the leakage of goals we had last season we might be okay. It was our poor defence that was the problem, a problem unable to be solved by a an ex defender !

SonOfSnoz · Jul 5, 2014

Chill folks! Strikers are the game winners & are harder to find & more expensive! I'm sure SP is working on that!
Also what's to say Thomas might well be the new Wilson?
Did anyone think Wilson would score 20 plus goals last season & leave the club for 3 mill?
This is a big season for SP, but like what he's doing!
He's bringing in young players from higher leagues with doubtful ones on loans, so we can test before buying.
This will be a real test for SP, if only Andy Thorne had SP's budget

shmmeee · Jul 5, 2014

To be honest, I'd be happy with 2 strikers if theyre quality and bought as a partnership rather than 4 journeymen like we used to.

woody11462 · Jul 5, 2014

I wonder if he is given some money he would make a cheeky bid for Stevie May from north of the border? Playing on the SPL but looks very handy.

Skyblueweeman · Jul 5, 2014

Kingokings204 said:
Good point but as we found out last 3 isn't enough. 1 gets injured and one suspended and one out of form. It's easy to end up with no strikers. You can then bring in someone but they don't know the tactics or all that so it's not productive. 4 good strikers please.

Yeah, I agree with that KoK. We had plenty of goals from midfield last season, especially from Moussa so with him going, we need to be more reliant on those 'up top'.

WM

Skyblueweeman · Jul 5, 2014

Astute said:
Our club can't afford 4 strikers. We need two strikers, one attacking midfielder that can do the job when needed and an academy striker that knows where the net is.

We are where we are now through overspending. Our income is poor. Our debts are a disaster. And none of this will change until we are back at the Ricoh.

I don't know what's going on this morning Astute, but I've liked 3 of your posts

WM

Skyblueweeman · Jul 5, 2014

woody11462 said:
I wonder if he is given some money he would make a cheeky bid for Stevie May from north of the border? Playing on the SPL but looks very handy.

Who does he play for Woody?

skybluebeduff · Jul 5, 2014

they will come...

stupot07 · Jul 5, 2014

Astute said:
Our club can't afford 4 strikers. We need two strikers, one attacking midfielder that can do the job when needed and an academy striker that knows where the net is.

We are where we are now through overspending. Our income is poor. Our debts are a disaster. And none of this will change until we are back at the Ricoh.

Agreed with that, although given the losses we were already making at the Ricoh, I don't think a sudden return to the Ricoh will lead to any kind of significant increase in wage and transfer budget.

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Astute · Jul 5, 2014

Skyblueweeman said:
I don't know what's going on this morning Astute, but I've liked 3 of your posts

WM

Must be having a good day at work.

Can you let me know where I am going wrong please?

Astute · Jul 5, 2014

stupot07 said:
Agreed with that, although given the losses we were already making at the Ricoh, I don't think a sudden return to the Ricoh will lead to any kind of significant increase in wage and transfer budget.

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It wouldn't be the end of our problems, but the added revenue would certainly help.

Samo · Jul 5, 2014

Kingokings204 said:
We now have not one striker in the team and we need 4 strikers to come in now. We now have the money or more likely wages to do this as I believe we won't pay for signings but could offer them a decent wage.

Come on guys who do we want who is realistic and can replace Clarke and Wilson's goals?

Erm... didn't you say we wouldn't sign anybody? And that anyone that thought we would is deluded?

kg82 · Jul 5, 2014

We'll get strikers, although maybe not 4 of them! Coulibally can apparently play up top and, if that's the case, I'd expect him to be one of the back up strikers. 2 strikers as first choice to come in and then maybe one on loan as back up too (lad from Bournemouth maybe).

Skybluenutterman · Jul 5, 2014

We scored 74 goals in league 1 last year which was one of our highest for a long time. This obviously fell away dramatically after Clarke and Wilson partnership was broken up. Without the players now departed, we only scored 15 goals!!!! Doesn't look promising unless a murale transpires with players coming in?

Skybluenutterman · Jul 5, 2014

Fat fingers working overtime but I think a murale is more likely than a miracle!!

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 5, 2014

stupot07 said:
Agreed with that, although given the losses we were already making at the Ricoh, I don't think a sudden return to the Ricoh will lead to any kind of significant increase in wage and transfer budget.

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I think a 5-fold increase in ticket revenue would make just a bit of a difference, even with higher rent.

kg82 · Jul 5, 2014

Skybluenutterman said:
We scored 74 goals in league 1 last year which was one of our highest for a long time. This obviously fell away dramatically after Clarke and Wilson partnership was broken up. Without the players now departed, we only scored 15 goals!!!! Doesn't look promising unless a murale transpires with players coming in?

Indeed. Replacing the goals is THE most important thing. Hopefully Pressley can get in his preferred players for that job. Shoring up that defence would go a long way to helping as well - Johnson is a step in the right direction.

stupot07 · Jul 5, 2014

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I think a 5-fold increase in ticket revenue would make just a bit of a difference, even with higher rent.

Yes it would, I wasn't arguing against the financial advantages of Ricoh vs Sixfields. It's a no brainer. My point was rather that even at the Ricoh, with an extra £2m ticket revenue sisu will be wanting to keep the wage bill as low as possible, to minimise losses and the amount of money they have to find to fill the funding gap, that extra £2m wouldn't be automatically added to the transfer and wage budget. We lost £7.2m (whilst not paying rent) in our last season there. We've cut the wage bill significantly, but I would still expect £2-3m losses even at the Ricoh.

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Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 5, 2014

kg82 said:
Indeed. Replacing the goals is THE most important thing. Hopefully Pressley can get in his preferred players for that job. Shoring up that defence would go a long way to helping as well - Johnson is a step in the right direction.

Our problem last season was conceding bucketloads. Fix that, find good replacements for Clarke/Wilson, and things look good-although we are also in desperate need of a quality holding midfielder.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 5, 2014

stupot07 said:
Yes it would, I wasn't arguing against the financial advantages of Ricoh vs Sixfields. It's a no brainer. My point was rather that even at the Ricoh, with an extra £2m ticket revenue sisu will be wanting to keep the wage bill as low as possible, to minimise losses and the amount of money they have to find to fill the funding gap, that extra £2m wouldn't be automatically added to the transfer and wage budget. We lost £7.2m (whilst not paying rent) in our last season there. We've cut the wage bill significantly, but I would still expect £2-3m losses even at the Ricoh.

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Much would depend on us returning to the Ricoh under the same circumstances as we left it. Negotiating access to revenues is a must.

Kingokings204 · Jul 5, 2014

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Much would depend on us returning to the Ricoh under the same circumstances as we left it. Negotiating access to revenues is a must.

Wasn't revenue offered with the 400k rental deal shook on in January last year? Sure it was.

Then in August last year rent dropped to a low of 150k although they won't get that now.

I will remain hopeful of a Ricoh return before August starts. The buzz would be still good and people would come back. Let's of new signings, no points deduction and a full house at the Ricoh opening home game against Sheffield utd. Be amazing to be fair.

stupot07 · Jul 5, 2014

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Much would depend on us returning to the Ricoh under the same circumstances as we left it. Negotiating access to revenues is a must.

Yep, but with £4m 'admin' fees, c£2m interest charges, £500k academy, before rent, matchday costs, tax, Ryton bills, player budget, management and other staff wages, agents fees, travel, etc. on a turnover of £5.5-6.5m we will be making losses at the Ricoh.

Again, I am only saying this to temper expectations if a miracle happens and we return to the Ricoh in August. There is unlikely to be a big bag of cash waiting to be spent on players.

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stupot07 · Jul 5, 2014

Kingokings204 said:
Wasn't revenue offered with the 400k rental deal shook on in January last year? Sure it was.

Then in August last year rent dropped to a low of 150k although they won't get that now.

I will remain hopeful of a Ricoh return before August starts. The buzz would be still good and people would come back. Let's of new signings, no points deduction and a full house at the Ricoh opening home game against Sheffield utd. Be amazing to be fair.

I believe PWKH said it was cross invoicing so it looked as though it was part of the turnover but no actual cash coming in. Saying that with the current F&B set up only making c10% profit it's almost pointless having it.

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shmmeee · Jul 5, 2014

It's not about F&B, it's about having a great big arena complex to create other income streams.

Have Seppala/Fisher/Labovitch actually used the words F&B or do they always refer to "revenue"?

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