I'd say that those clubs who've been in the PL since we went down would also be able to make the same claim if we're able to. It's not putting us down, I just don't think other clubs actually see us as one of the league's biggest clubs.I think we are. Outside of the parachute clubs it’s maybe Sunderland and then who? In terms of crowd, expectation and general media attention. I think people want to beat Plymouth a bit more because of Rooney too. Just something about getting one over on a name.
I'd say that those clubs who've been in the PL since we went down would also be able to make the same claim if we're able to. It's not putting us down, I just don't think other clubs actually see us as one of the league's biggest clubs.
From looking at the todays league table, funnily enough I'd say that the current top three (maybe four) are probably the big clubs that most other teams look to claim as a scalp.
I think we're viewed more as an upper mid table club now who have been pushing above our weight in recent years. Probably in the same category as Norwich, West Brom and Swansea
I think above a Swansea. And I think the celeb manager puts us top of that pile. I’m not sure if Leeds are still a parachute club but forgot about them so them too if not.
To be clear this is in terms of whether other teams will try a bit harder against us. Not some “big club o meter”
That's one way of spinning it. The brief spell with Carr in charge is pretty much irrelevant as comparing a permanent manager with a temporary one is not a level playing field.Fact is we've won 1 in 6 since he sacked robins
Of course we are play off finalists, fa cup semi finalists, big crowds, high profile manager and all the talk of how we were nailed on for a play off spot, bad run or not teams want to beat us that little bit moreI really don’t think we are.
That's one way of spinning it. The brief spell with Carr in charge is pretty much irrelevant as comparing a permanent manager with a temporary one is not a level playing field.
1. You don't know how many applicants there were.I said when Robins was sacked if we were replacing him with Lampard then what was the point of sacking Robins in the first place.
But he’s here now so he’s got to be given time and a transfer window. So at least Easter. If it’s too late by Easter let’s face it, it’s already too late.
Let’s also face it, the whole process was botched. King clearly didn’t have anyone lined up, we were hardly inundated with applications and to top it all off we laboured appointing Lampard and he lost an international break and an ideal opportunity to coach the team for a week before playing a game. He’s hardly joined at a good time.
Hopefully he can turn things around and prove his doubters (myself included) wrong.
To be fair, we’ve played Sheffield, Sunderland,Burnley,Cardiff,Millwall and West Brom.Fact is we've won 1 in 6 since he sacked robins
Also to add we have been away at 6 of the top 8 alreadyTo be fair, we’ve played Sheffield, Sunderland,Burnley,Cardiff,Millwall and West Brom.
100% should of beaten Cardiff but outside of that all tough games.
Yep, our hardest run of the season by far. Heading into another more winnable run now, hopefully we start picking up some wins, especially at home where we've been hyper shit.To be fair, we’ve played Sheffield, Sunderland,Burnley,Cardiff,Millwall and West Brom.
100% should of beaten Cardiff but outside of that all tough games.
Agree but that short sequence of games was never going to make or break the season. The form since the beginning of the season had been poor and there appeared to be no consistent strategic approach other than constantly chopping and changing and playing shit. It's plain naive to think that every negotiation process can be concluded swiftly.But the temporary manager was a requirement of changing the permanent one so has to be priced into the decision.
Ultimately what will matter is where we are end of next season. But King said that he took the decision how and when he did because of immediate results so it’s fair to question that.
I agree.From looking at the todays league table, funnily enough I'd say that the current top three (maybe four) are probably the big clubs that most other teams look to claim as a scalp.
I think we're viewed more as an upper mid table club now who have been pushing above our weight in recent years. Probably in the same category as Norwich, West Brom and Swansea
Agree but that short sequence of games was never going to make or break the season. The form since the beginning of the season had been poor and there appeared to be no consistent strategic approach other than constantly chopping and changing and playing shit. It's plain naive to think that every negotiation process can be concluded swiftly.
That's one way of spinning it. The brief spell with Carr in charge is pretty much irrelevant as comparing a permanent manager with a temporary one is not a level playing field.
No we won't start this again. We have totally different opinions and it is pointless debating it further .Not to start all this again but that’s your opinion. We’d lost one after a reasonable run of six games 14 matches into a brand new setup and management team.
Don’t disagree with this, wonder why he didn’t pull the trigger against QPR. Probably would of got a better reaction then when he did.Well I mean robins was sacked after winning 2 of his last 3 games , if we assume then that no matter what he did really he wasn't going to retain his job was he as that's 2 ppg , king was always going to sack robins let's be honest.
It was and remains a bad decision to me
But we move on
I don't think it was inevitable that King would sack him but there was a lot more pressure/expectations. Robins was a victim of his own success, really.Well I mean robins was sacked after winning 2 of his last 3 games , if we assume then that no matter what he did really he wasn't going to retain his job was he as that's 2 ppg , king was always going to sack robins let's be honest.
It was and remains a bad decision to me
But we move on
Don’t disagree with this, wonder why he didn’t pull the trigger against QPR. Probably would of got a better reaction then when he did.
I don't think it was inevitable that King would sack him but there was a lot more pressure/expectations. Robins was a victim of his own success, really.
I don't think it was inevitable that King would sack him but there was a lot more pressure/expectations. Robins was a victim of his own success, really.
I honestly don’t think Doug would be swayed by the crowd. Could be wrong but he comes across very headstrong/stubbon. Once a decision is made, it’s madeCrowd at Derby was pretty grumpy IIRC, I do wonder if he turned up and misread the temperature.
I honestly don’t think Doug would be swayed by the crowd. Could be wrong but he comes across very headstrong/stubbon. Once a decision is made, it’s made
I honestly don’t think Doug would be swayed by the crowd. Could be wrong but he comes across very headstrong/stubbon. Once a decision is made, it’s made
It’s one of them. He’s definitely a marmite character. Lampard works, then fair play. If it fails, can we start looking at EvattI dislike the man and if the lampard appointment fails he can suck my balls for good tbh
I don't think it was inevitable that King would sack him but there was a lot more pressure/expectations. Robins was a victim of his own success, really.
Indeed we do Evo. Robins will always rightly remembered for the exceptional job he did here under the most adverse circumstances imaginable . We agree on that . We differ in that I genuinely think that for whatever reason ( ive no clue what) he had run out of ideas and the coaching & recruitment back up which I believe he chose was very poor.Well I mean robins was sacked after winning 2 of his last 3 games , if we assume then that no matter what he did really he wasn't going to retain his job was he as that's 2 ppg , king was always going to sack robins let's be honest.
It was and remains a bad decision to me
But we move on
Like the family zone decisions and the ticket price decisions? I think he wants people to like him and he said he was surprised by the negative reactions to the decision didn’t he?
Fair shout although didn’t he argue a few of the decisions weren’t his or he tried to front them on the radio.Like the family zone decisions and the ticket price decisions? I think he wants people to like him and he said he was surprised by the negative reactions to the decision didn’t he?
I dislike the man and if the lampard appointment fails he can suck my balls for good tbh
Not sure that this is the case Clint. I sense that he is a pretty divisive character which a roughly equal split in either camp.I'm actually amazed at the amount of our support who have their tongues right up his arse.
The rot set in when McFadzean left. He was an absolute rock. He was a leader. We've never come close to replacing him.
Ironically it was the tougher games we used to well with MR in charge for. Our issues were against teams like Derby at home.To be fair, we’ve played Sheffield, Sunderland,Burnley,Cardiff,Millwall and West Brom.
100% should of beaten Cardiff but outside of that all tough games.
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