We would have been better off with Robins (11 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

I think we are. Outside of the parachute clubs it’s maybe Sunderland and then who? In terms of crowd, expectation and general media attention. I think people want to beat Plymouth a bit more because of Rooney too. Just something about getting one over on a name.

I'd say that those clubs who've been in the PL since we went down would also be able to make the same claim if we're able to. It's not putting us down, I just don't think other clubs actually see us as one of the league's biggest clubs.

 

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[AOM]

I'd say that those clubs who've been in the PL since we went down would also be able to make the same claim if we're able to. It's not putting us down, I just don't think other clubs actually see us as one of the league's biggest clubs.

From looking at the todays league table, funnily enough I'd say that the current top three (maybe four) are probably the big clubs that most other teams look to claim as a scalp.
I think we're viewed more as an upper mid table club now who have been pushing above our weight in recent years. Probably in the same category as Norwich, West Brom and Swansea

 

[shmmeee]

From looking at the todays league table, funnily enough I'd say that the current top three (maybe four) are probably the big clubs that most other teams look to claim as a scalp.
I think we're viewed more as an upper mid table club now who have been pushing above our weight in recent years. Probably in the same category as Norwich, West Brom and Swansea

I think above a Swansea. And I think the celeb manager puts us top of that pile. I’m not sure if Leeds are still a parachute club but forgot about them so them too if not.

To be clear this is in terms of whether other teams will try a bit harder against us. Not some “big club o meter”

 

[AOM]

I think above a Swansea. And I think the celeb manager puts us top of that pile. I’m not sure if Leeds are still a parachute club but forgot about them so them too if not.

To be clear this is in terms of whether other teams will try a bit harder against us. Not some “big club o meter”

Yeah, I do agree that having Lampard in charge does make us a bit more glamorous fixture, at least for a few more games

 

[Chris1987]

Fact is we've won 1 in 6 since he sacked robins

That's one way of spinning it. The brief spell with Carr in charge is pretty much irrelevant as comparing a permanent manager with a temporary one is not a level playing field.

 

[quinn1971]

I really don’t think we are.

Of course we are play off finalists, fa cup semi finalists, big crowds, high profile manager and all the talk of how we were nailed on for a play off spot, bad run or not teams want to beat us that little bit more

 

[shmmeee]

That's one way of spinning it. The brief spell with Carr in charge is pretty much irrelevant as comparing a permanent manager with a temporary one is not a level playing field.

But the temporary manager was a requirement of changing the permanent one so has to be priced into the decision.

Ultimately what will matter is where we are end of next season. But King said that he took the decision how and when he did because of immediate results so it’s fair to question that.

 

[Chris1987]

I said when Robins was sacked if we were replacing him with Lampard then what was the point of sacking Robins in the first place.

But he’s here now so he’s got to be given time and a transfer window. So at least Easter. If it’s too late by Easter let’s face it, it’s already too late.

Let’s also face it, the whole process was botched. King clearly didn’t have anyone lined up, we were hardly inundated with applications and to top it all off we laboured appointing Lampard and he lost an international break and an ideal opportunity to coach the team for a week before playing a game. He’s hardly joined at a good time.

Hopefully he can turn things around and prove his doubters (myself included) wrong.

1. You don't know how many applicants there were.
2. You expect negotiations to be concluded quickly ? Again you have no idea what was involved in the negotiations.
3. When is a good time to join during a season after a manager had been sacked ?

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Fact is we've won 1 in 6 since he sacked robins

To be fair, we’ve played Sheffield, Sunderland,Burnley,Cardiff,Millwall and West Brom.

100% should of beaten Cardiff but outside of that all tough games.

 

[Balli001]

To be fair, we’ve played Sheffield, Sunderland,Burnley,Cardiff,Millwall and West Brom.

100% should of beaten Cardiff but outside of that all tough games.

Also to add we have been away at 6 of the top 8 already

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Also let’s be honest, Ian Evatt was robbed by Doug king

 

[TomRad85]

To be fair, we’ve played Sheffield, Sunderland,Burnley,Cardiff,Millwall and West Brom.

100% should of beaten Cardiff but outside of that all tough games.

Yep, our hardest run of the season by far. Heading into another more winnable run now, hopefully we start picking up some wins, especially at home where we've been hyper shit.

 

[Chris1987]

But the temporary manager was a requirement of changing the permanent one so has to be priced into the decision.

Ultimately what will matter is where we are end of next season. But King said that he took the decision how and when he did because of immediate results so it’s fair to question that.

Agree but that short sequence of games was never going to make or break the season. The form since the beginning of the season had been poor and there appeared to be no consistent strategic approach other than constantly chopping and changing and playing shit. It's plain naive to think that every negotiation process can be concluded swiftly.

 

[Sick Boy]

From looking at the todays league table, funnily enough I'd say that the current top three (maybe four) are probably the big clubs that most other teams look to claim as a scalp.
I think we're viewed more as an upper mid table club now who have been pushing above our weight in recent years. Probably in the same category as Norwich, West Brom and Swansea

I agree.

 

[shmmeee]

Agree but that short sequence of games was never going to make or break the season. The form since the beginning of the season had been poor and there appeared to be no consistent strategic approach other than constantly chopping and changing and playing shit. It's plain naive to think that every negotiation process can be concluded swiftly.

Not to start all this again but that’s your opinion. We’d lost one after a reasonable run of six games 14 matches into a brand new setup and management team.

 

[Evo1883]

That's one way of spinning it. The brief spell with Carr in charge is pretty much irrelevant as comparing a permanent manager with a temporary one is not a level playing field.

Well I mean robins was sacked after winning 2 of his last 3 games , if we assume then that no matter what he did really he wasn't going to retain his job was he as that's 2 ppg , king was always going to sack robins let's be honest.

It was and remains a bad decision to me

But we move on

 

[Chris1987]

Not to start all this again but that’s your opinion. We’d lost one after a reasonable run of six games 14 matches into a brand new setup and management team.

No we won't start this again. We have totally different opinions and it is pointless debating it further .

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Well I mean robins was sacked after winning 2 of his last 3 games , if we assume then that no matter what he did really he wasn't going to retain his job was he as that's 2 ppg , king was always going to sack robins let's be honest.

It was and remains a bad decision to me

But we move on

Don’t disagree with this, wonder why he didn’t pull the trigger against QPR. Probably would of got a better reaction then when he did.

 

[Sick Boy]

Well I mean robins was sacked after winning 2 of his last 3 games , if we assume then that no matter what he did really he wasn't going to retain his job was he as that's 2 ppg , king was always going to sack robins let's be honest.

It was and remains a bad decision to me

But we move on

I don't think it was inevitable that King would sack him but there was a lot more pressure/expectations. Robins was a victim of his own success, really.

 

[shmmeee]

Don’t disagree with this, wonder why he didn’t pull the trigger against QPR. Probably would of got a better reaction then when he did.

Crowd at Derby was pretty grumpy IIRC, I do wonder if he turned up and misread the temperature.

 

[shmmeee]

I don't think it was inevitable that King would sack him but there was a lot more pressure/expectations. Robins was a victim of his own success, really.

I think it was as soon as King took over. How common is it for owners to change and the manager not?

 

[Evo1883]

I don't think it was inevitable that King would sack him but there was a lot more pressure/expectations. Robins was a victim of his own success, really.

Basically the only way robins was keeping his job was that he kept winning every match and let's be real that's unachievable , he was a dead man walking from probably preston

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Crowd at Derby was pretty grumpy IIRC, I do wonder if he turned up and misread the temperature.

I honestly don’t think Doug would be swayed by the crowd. Could be wrong but he comes across very headstrong/stubbon. Once a decision is made, it’s made

 

[Evo1883]

I honestly don’t think Doug would be swayed by the crowd. Could be wrong but he comes across very headstrong/stubbon. Once a decision is made, it’s made

I dislike the man and if the lampard appointment fails he can suck my balls for good tbh

 

[shmmeee]

I honestly don’t think Doug would be swayed by the crowd. Could be wrong but he comes across very headstrong/stubbon. Once a decision is made, it’s made

Like the family zone decisions and the ticket price decisions? I think he wants people to like him and he said he was surprised by the negative reactions to the decision didn’t he?

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

I dislike the man and if the lampard appointment fails he can suck my balls for good tbh

It’s one of them. He’s definitely a marmite character. Lampard works, then fair play. If it fails, can we start looking at Evatt

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

The rot set in when McFadzean left. He was an absolute rock. He was a leader. We've never come close to replacing him.

 

[clint van damme]

I don't think it was inevitable that King would sack him but there was a lot more pressure/expectations. Robins was a victim of his own success, really.

I think King had made the decision long before he pulled the trigger. He owns the club so that's his right, well see if it was the coŕrect thing to do

 

[Chris1987]

Well I mean robins was sacked after winning 2 of his last 3 games , if we assume then that no matter what he did really he wasn't going to retain his job was he as that's 2 ppg , king was always going to sack robins let's be honest.

It was and remains a bad decision to me

But we move on

Indeed we do Evo. Robins will always rightly remembered for the exceptional job he did here under the most adverse circumstances imaginable . We agree on that . We differ in that I genuinely think that for whatever reason ( ive no clue what) he had run out of ideas and the coaching & recruitment back up which I believe he chose was very poor.
Let's hope that Lampard can start a new successful era.

 

[clint van damme]

Like the family zone decisions and the ticket price decisions? I think he wants people to like him and he said he was surprised by the negative reactions to the decision didn’t he?

I'm actually amazed at the amount of our support who have their tongues right up his arse.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Like the family zone decisions and the ticket price decisions? I think he wants people to like him and he said he was surprised by the negative reactions to the decision didn’t he?

Fair shout although didn’t he argue a few of the decisions weren’t his or he tried to front them on the radio.

On the last point yeah but of course he’s naive, he’s never been involved in football and wouldn’t have the same emotional attachment to mark. Just wish he listened to my manager shout

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

I dislike the man and if the lampard appointment fails he can suck my balls for good tbh

 

[Chris1987]

I'm actually amazed at the amount of our support who have their tongues right up his arse.

Not sure that this is the case Clint. I sense that he is a pretty divisive character which a roughly equal split in either camp.
I'm maybe the exception - jury out until there is enough evidence to side either way.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

The rot set in when McFadzean left. He was an absolute rock. He was a leader. We've never come close to replacing him.

And whose decision was that, Mark Robins or Doug King ?

 

[ccfc1234]

To be fair, we’ve played Sheffield, Sunderland,Burnley,Cardiff,Millwall and West Brom.

100% should of beaten Cardiff but outside of that all tough games.

Ironically it was the tougher games we used to well with MR in charge for. Our issues were against teams like Derby at home.