We would have been better off with Robins (11 Viewers)

[pusbccfc]

The worst thing about everything is before I always felt like we were a club that would go places under robins even though we had tough periods I always felt that we'd push on at some point .. at the moment I just worry about us , I feel like we're just that coventry city we used to be and we have no direction or nothing to look forward to .

Hopefully it works out for us and lampard

I really really don't like doug king though I will struggle to change that feeling

I'm as frustrated and down about the results/performances as anyone but let's not forget how bad it was.

The Coventry City we used to be, was great for a few years but before that it was dreadful.

 

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[Evo1883]

I'm as frustrated and down about the results/performances as anyone but let's not forget how bad it was.

The Coventry City we used to be, was great for a few years but before that it was dreadful.

I've really enjoyed the last 7 years on the pitch and that's really all i care about

 

[pusbccfc]

Sums up how I feel pretty well. Struggling to find any sort of optimism that we’re going to compete in this league based on King’s tenure so far.

It's never spoken about, but do people think we would be better off now had Doug not took over? How much would SISU have sold Vik and Hamer for and how much would we have spent?

 

[pusbccfc]

I've really enjoyed the last 7 years on the pitch and that's really all i care about

Me too. I thoroughly agree that it feels different but I still don't think the blame lies primarily at Doug. The atmosphere has been dreadful. The team has been seriously unlikeable. The style of play, despite the goals, is boring.

It's a collection of many things. 2021-23 was the most proud I've ever been of the club. It peaked at Wembley against United.

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

The worst thing about everything is before I always felt like we were a club that would go places under robins even though we had tough periods I always felt that we'd push on at some point .. at the moment I just worry about us , I feel like we're just that coventry city we used to be and we have no direction or nothing to look forward to .

Hopefully it works out for us and lampard

I really really don't like doug king though I will struggle to change that feeling

Absolutley spot on.

With Robins, we knew we’d push on again, would get through the hard time and I bought into the long term. I genuinely thought we would reach the PL again.

We have returned to the Coventry City of 2001-2017, a conveyor belt of big name small trouser managers. For those that have forgotten/were too young to remember, we were a joke and felt like a small tinpot club.

I find DK pretty detestable. He comes across with arrogance and scoffs whenever asked non butt kissing questions. He thinks the disabled and family should have money to burn like himself. Good old Doug likes to take plenty of the credit (keeping Gyokeres and painting the training ground) and none of the liability.

In my local, Doug King is as popular as pork pie at a Jewish Wedding.

 

[shmmeee]

The worst thing about everything is before I always felt like we were a club that would go places under robins even though we had tough periods I always felt that we'd push on at some point .. at the moment I just worry about us , I feel like we're just that coventry city we used to be and we have no direction or nothing to look forward to .

Hopefully it works out for us and lampard

I really really don't like doug king though I will struggle to change that feeling

Just gutted we couldn’t get it over the line and double gutted we’ve wasted the windfall consolation prize. At least we’re no worse off than when Sisu picked us in league position even if off the pitch is much worse.

 

[Evo1883]

Me too. I thoroughly agree that it feels different but I still don't think the blame lies primarily at Doug. The atmosphere has been dreadful. The team has been seriously unlikeable. The style of play, despite the goals, is boring.

It's a collection of many things. 2021-23 was the most proud I've ever been of the club. It peaked at Wembley against United.

Well what part did doug play in boddy leaving , what role did he have in not paying cal and hamer the wages that would have kept them here etc .

Feel like a totally different club now , I'm not moaning per se I'm just saying what I see

 

[shmmeee]

It's never spoken about, but do people think we would be better off now had Doug not took over? How much would SISU have sold Vik and Hamer for and how much would we have spent?

100%

An extra £10m or whatever means nothing when it’s wasted anyway.

 

[pusbccfc]

Well what part did doug play in boddy leaving , what role did he have in not paying cal and hamer the wages that would have kept them here etc .

Feel like a totally different club now , I'm not moaning per se I'm just saying what I see

I'd have loved Boddy to stay but people were hammering him at the time.

Cal and Hamer would have left under previous owners too. I'm sure Doug probably regrets it now though.

 

[pusbccfc]

100%

An extra £10m or whatever means nothing when it’s wasted anyway.

I think we'd have drifted lower last season under SISU.

 

[shmmeee]

I think we'd have drifted lower last season under SISU.

I don’t. I think king has disrupted the playing side too much.

 

[pusbccfc]

Absolutley spot on.

With Robins, we knew we’d push on again, would get through the hard time and I bought into the long term. I genuinely thought we would reach the PL again.

We have returned to the Coventry City of 2001-2017, a conveyor belt of big name small trouser managers. For those that have forgotten/were too young to remember, we were a joke and felt like a small tinpot club.

I find DK pretty detestable. He comes across with arrogance and scoffs whenever asked non butt kissing questions. He thinks the disabled and family should have money to burn like himself. Good old Doug likes to take plenty of the credit (keeping Gyokeres and painting the training ground) and none of the liability.

In my local, Doug King is as popular as pork pie at a Jewish Wedding.

What would you have done differently to Doug post Wembley 2023?

 

[shmmeee]

What would you have done differently to Doug post Wembley 2023?

Not signed endless shite and shipped out anyone with a clue?

 

[pusbccfc]

I don’t. I think king has disrupted the playing side too much.

The playing side before Doug was being carried entirely by 3/4 players.

It's so easy to forget that even in that season, we spent the majority praying Vik and Hamer didn't get injured because we were turning up at away games with 2 keepers and Harrison Nee on the bench.

Don't get me wrong, under SISU the strategy could have remained the same. Hit and hope at players and pray they are as good as Hamer rather than Tyler Walker and Marcel Hilsner.

 

[pusbccfc]

Not signed endless shite and shipped out anyone with a clue?

Is Doug deciding who to sign?

 

[shmmeee]

The playing side before Doug was being carried entirely by 3/4 players.

It's so easy to forget that even in that season, we spent the majority praying Vik and Hamer didn't get injured because we were turning up at away games with 2 keepers and Harrison Nee on the bench.

Don't get me wrong, under SISU the strategy could have remained the same. Hit and hope at players and pray they are as good as Hamer rather than Tyler Walker and Marcel Hilsner.

We had far more Hamers than Walkers. It’s a better strategy than spending £5m a time on shite from L1 that’s had half a decent season.

 

[shmmeee]

Is Doug deciding who to sign?

Cant sign anyone if you’ve got no money

 

[pusbccfc]

Cant sign anyone if you’ve got no money

Exactly. Hence why there's every chance we truly fell off a cliff post play offs under SISU.

 

[shmmeee]

Exactly. Hence why there's every chance we truly fell off a cliff post play offs under SISU.

Vik would have gone regardless.

I think in reality Sisu would have sold and they’d decided time was up. If it wasn’t King it would have been someone else. Just think King is dreadful.

 

[clint van damme]

Absolutley spot on.

With Robins, we knew we’d push on again, would get through the hard time and I bought into the long term. I genuinely thought we would reach the PL again.

We have returned to the Coventry City of 2001-2017, a conveyor belt of big name small trouser managers. For those that have forgotten/were too young to remember, we were a joke and felt like a small tinpot club.

I find DK pretty detestable. He comes across with arrogance and scoffs whenever asked non butt kissing questions. He thinks the disabled and family should have money to burn like himself. Good old Doug likes to take plenty of the credit (keeping Gyokeres and painting the training ground) and none of the liability.

In my local, Doug King is as popular as pork pie at a Jewish Wedding.

The more I think about it the more I think Robins wouldn't have turned it round.
I know he'd done it before but the club this year is nothing like the club it was then.
All eras come to an end, and the more I think about it, the more I think the beginning of the end for the Robins era was the day King walked through the door.

I'm glad he did, because it rid us of sisu, but it also heralded the end of a lot that was good about the last 7 years as well.

Hopefully with the arrival of Lampard his meddling in football and putting himself in the spotlight has come to an end, at least temporarily.

 

[Grendel]

No I'm not judging, I'm taking a guess at what I think might happen. Not sure why that's odd.

I might be wrong, I hope I am.

You hate lampard - the posting history while in charge of other clubs shows that

 

[SBT]

We had far more Hamers than Walkers. It’s a better strategy than spending £5m a time on shite from L1 that’s had half a decent season.

I’m pretty sure we only had one Hamer!

We didn’t have a strategy under SISU, insofar as “Buy a relatively unsung foreign player for £1 million and watch them unexpectedly become the best player in the league” isn’t a repeatable strategy even if you somehow manage to do it two years in a row.

 

[pusbccfc]

We had far more Hamers than Walkers. It’s a better strategy than spending £5m a time on shite from L1 that’s had half a decent season.

Not necessarily. It's just very easy to look at Hamer and Gyokeres and forget the others signed between 2019-2023.

Let's not forget Todd Kane, Marco Rus, Danny Cashman, Waghorn, Dinangre and Bright Enobakhare who were all signed in 2021 with Gyokeres.

We hit the jackpot with Gyokeres. I'm not sure there's a soul on Earth who expected him to develop like he did. An absolute mentality monster.

 

[shmmeee]

I’m pretty sure we only had one Hamer!

We didn’t have a strategy under SISU, insofar as “Buy a relatively unsung foreign player for £1 million and watch them unexpectedly become the best player in the league” isn’t a repeatable strategy even if you somehow manage to do it two years in a row.

Ha ha

We literally only had one Walker (big money signing that didn’t pay off) though. Still I’m sure King is very grateful for your very hard if slightly weird work.

 

[pusbccfc]

Vik would have gone regardless.

I think in reality Sisu would have sold and they’d decided time was up. If it wasn’t King it would have been someone else. Just think King is dreadful.

And that's absolutely fair enough.

I still don't understand what other owners would have done differently.

 

[shmmeee]

Not necessarily. It's just very easy to look at Hamer and Gyokeres and forget the others signed between 2019-2023.

Let's not forget Todd Kane, Marco Rus, Danny Cashman, Waghorn, Dinangre and Bright Enobakhare who were all signed in 2021 with Gyokeres.

We hit the jackpot with Gyokeres. I'm not sure there's a soul on Earth who expected him to develop like he did. An absolute mentality monster.

How many of those cost anything? The strategy was spend on one or two a couple of free Abd a bunch of gambles. Pretending Vik and Kastaneer were signed with the same expectations and level of investment is ludicrous.

To be honest trying to retcon the Badlan years as anything other than spectacular business really marks you out as either a troll or clueless. We were recognised all over as having some of the best recruitment in the EFL.

 

[shmmeee]

And that's absolutely fair enough.

I still don't understand what other owners would have done differently.

Not played “celebrity chairman” ideally. Or if they did have the first clue about the sport.

 

[pusbccfc]

Ha ha

We literally only had one Walker (big money signing that didn’t pay off) though. Still I’m sure King is very grateful for your very hard if slightly weird work.

We spent money, albeit undisclosed on loads of players around that time. Hilsner, Josh Reid, Fabio Taveres etc.

 

[PVA]

You hate lampard - the posting history while in charge of other clubs shows that

Haha I don't hate him. I've never rated him as a manager. Is that allowed?

You 'hate' Robins and love Kenny Jackett. What's your point?

 

[pusbccfc]

How many of those cost anything? The strategy was spend on one or two a couple of free Abd a bunch of gambles. Pretending Vik and Kastaneer were signed with the same expectations and level of investment is ludicrous.

To be honest trying to retcon the Badlan years as anything other than spectacular business really marks you out as either a troll or clueless. We were recognised all over as having some of the best recruitment in the EFL.

I'm not, Badlan has revolutionised our club. The investment in the club outside the players (training ground, safe standing, club shop) does not come without his ability to find Gustavo Hamer, Gyokeres and plenty of good loans.

I still think there's zero evidence you find another Hamer after the play offs. Badlan is hardly scouting for a top club currently?

 

[SBT]

Ha ha

We literally only had one Walker (big money signing that didn’t pay off) though. Still I’m sure King is very grateful for your very hard if slightly weird work.

Big money? I’d say it was a comparable outlay to other SISU-era signings that didn’t work out - Hilssner, Waghorn, Palmer…

 

[pusbccfc]

Not played “celebrity chairman” ideally. Or if they did have the first clue about the sport.

Again, fine, but people used to slam Sepella for not going to games and explaining herself.

 

[clint van damme]

Well what part did doug play in boddy leaving , what role did he have in not paying cal and hamer the wages that would have kept them here etc .

Feel like a totally different club now , I'm not moaning per se I'm just saying what I see

Well I was told it was King who got rid of Boddy and why.
I put it on here at the time, but not the reason, though it was nothing salacious

I agreed with Kings decision but I didn't appreciate at the time how close Robins and Boddy were, and that relationship, between the CEO and the manager is crucial, as we've seen at some very big clubs, when it's not good, it spells trouble.

I think as the people Robins had around him who helped him succeed, left one by one the writing was on the wall.
It was the end of era, and one it seems some people, mainly on here, are massively failing to appreciate, hopefully, one day they will.

But we move on, though I don't think we'll see the buzz or the togetherness the clubs had for the last 7 years again for a very long time.

Think there's too much entitlement now for that sort of siege mentality for a start.

 

[shmmeee]

We spent money, albeit undisclosed on loads of players around that time. Hilsner, Josh Reid, Fabio Taveres etc.

Again Reid and Tavares were not anything like on the level of signings of say Walker and Sheaf.

 

[pusbccfc]

Big money? I’d say it was a comparable outlay to other SISU-era signings that didn’t work out - Hilssner, Waghorn, Palmer…

Waghorn is the key example of the type of signing we may have brought in if SISU stayed post-Gyokeres.

That was the marquee signing and it was a bad one.