What’s it all about? (3 Viewers)

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

It's really not a grey area. People play on the fact that it's seen as grey area and people are scared of the back lash.

Just have a category for trans people. I'm sure some wouldn't be as keen if they didn't have a massive advantage over their competitors.

The term "Open" category has been proposed in a number of sports.

 

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[Grendel]

It's a massive grey area though. Can you stop trans people from participating on sport?

It’s not - it’s men competing against women and pretending it’s fair

 

[Otis]

I've always been on the side of JK Rowling on this one and I have constantly puzzled as to the stick she has been getting on the subject.

If you read what she has written, you will see she is anything but anti-trans.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

I've always been on the side of JK Rowling on this one and I have constantly puzzled as to the stick she has been getting on the subject.

If you read what she has written, you will see she is anything but anti-trans.

But very much pro-women, i think.

 

[clint van damme]

It’s not - it’s men competing against women and pretending it’s fair

3 women had to come off injured in one game of rugby in Canada recently after being injured by a trans woman.
I'm not sure how this Can be allowed to happen.

 

[Otis]

But very much pro-women, i think.

Yes, definitely. And why would she not be?

 

[Nick]

Yes, definitely. And why would she not be?

The outrage is because it's woman with a vagina rather than woman because a man has bought a wig.

See all the green party in Coventry nonsense.

Of course, not all trans people are like it, there will be many who are transitioning and will have surgery.

 

[Otis]

The outrage is because it's woman with a vagina rather than woman because a man has bought a wig.

See all the green party in Coventry nonsense.

Of course, not all trans people are like it, there will be many who are transitioning and will have surgery.

Definitely. And I think if a man wants to become a woman, because he doesn't feel right in a man's body and feels that deep down they should be a woman, who is to question that?

I do find I can't quite get my head around seeing men in dresses around the city centre, but so what!

Women have to be protected though. That's a given.

 

[Nick]

Definitely. And I think if a man wants to become a woman, because he doesn't feel right in a man's body and feels that deep down they should be a woman, who is to question that?

I do find I can't quite get my head around seeing men in dresses around the city centre, but so what!

Women have to be protected though. That's a given.

That stuff isn't really an issue, it's just when they want to take things further. Like if somebody accidently doesn't call somebody by the correct pronouns and they kick off.

It's also pretty dangerous that the whole movement seems to want to cancel people.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That stuff isn't really an issue, it's just when they want to take things further. Like if somebody accidently doesn't call somebody by the correct pronouns and they kick off.

It's also pretty dangerous that the whole movement seems to want to cancel people.

In school while we do our best to use a new name or pronoun even teachers will make mistakes and usually the student’s fine with it. It’s when you know full well and carry on anyway that it turns into a problem

 

[Nick]

In school while we do our best to use a new name or pronoun even teachers will make mistakes and usually the student’s fine with it. It’s when you know full well and carry on anyway that it turns into a problem

What happens when a 12 year old demands to be identified as a chicken?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What happens when a 12 year old demands to be identified as a chicken?

When it happens I’ll let you know.

 

[Otis]

That stuff isn't really an issue, it's just when they want to take things further. Like if somebody accidently doesn't call somebody by the correct pronouns and they kick off.

It's also pretty dangerous that the whole movement seems to want to cancel people.

My daughter has a friend called Faith. She decided at 15 to be called Kelvin and has her name down for reassigning surgery. That's fine, I don't have a problem with that, but my daughter used to keep telling me off for saying "she", telling me that I should now be saying "they."

I do find it ridiculous that anyone could be offended in my not saying "they."

 

[Nick]

When it happens I’ll let you know.

Bright teenage girl 'identifies as a cat' and now shows feline behaviour

A teenage girl is said to be identifying as a cat at a private school in Australia. Showing "animal behaviour", the bright teen is being given support by her school as they work out how to approach the issue

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Nick]

My daughter has a friend called Faith. She decided at 15 to be called Kelvin and has her name down for reassigning surgery. That's fine, I don't have a problem with that, but my daughter used to keep telling me off for saying "she", telling me that I should now be saying "they."

I do find it ridiculous that anyone could be offended in my not saying "they."

It clearly means you are a bigot.

The worrying thing is, people would jump to label you as one for that.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

What happens when a 12 year old demands to be identified as a chicken?

See what happens when they cross the road???

 

[fatso]

Pronouns, waah.

A good rule of thumb is if it triggers Daily Mail readers, it's probably a good thing. Fake patriot, right-wing wankers who couldn't give a flying fuck about anyone other than themselves, English or otherwise.

I'll tell you why they want to pick a row over pronouns, it's because they've got the square root of fuck all else to write about and they're trying to divert from anything that might make their paymasters, the Tory donors, look bad - which is everything else going on in the country, basically.

But what's the excuse going to be in a few years time when we're still just as fucked under Labour?

 

[Otis]

But what's the excuse going to be in a few years time when we're still just as fucked under Labour?

Turn to Andrew Tate?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

What happens when a 12 year old demands to be identified as a chicken?

Tell them to cluck off.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

Turn to Andrew Tate?

Given that it's fairly evident he despises women, i wonder what his stance is on trans people?

 

[covcity4life]

What happens when a 12 year old demands to be identified as a chicken?

At my school I kicked off as they asked me to call a kid by their requested pronoun but then lie Infront of her parents who didn't like her life choice.

I refused to do it behind the parents back. Would be fuming if that was me

I have a theory that society is influencing all these changes we are seeing. Kids are so sexualised these days. Female students have told me that strangers send them wanking vids from when they were 10 years old and onwards via Snapchat. They are not phased by it. Loads of boys and girls watch porn from early age on tube sites.

When we were kids page 3 was enough for us. But these kids need more to stimulate then. It escalates to rough porn then fetish porn then homo then trans porn etc just to shock their system and give them a thrill.

I don't have the answers it's just something I would be interested to see a study done in to that's all.

 

[Nick]

At my school I kicked off as they asked me to call a kid by their requested pronoun but then lie Infront of her parents who didn't like her life choice.

I refused to do it behind the parents back. Would be fuming if that was me

I have a theory that society is influencing all these changes we are seeing. Kids are so sexualised these days. Female students have told me that strangers send them wanking vids from when they were 10 years old and onwards via Snapchat. They are not phased by it. Loads of boys and girls watch porn from early age on tube sites.

When we were kids page 3 was enough for us. But these kids need more to stimulate then. It escalates to rough porn then fetish porn then homo then trans porn etc just to shock their system and give them a thrill.

I don't have the answers it's just something I would be interested to see a study done in to that's all.

Of course social media has a lot to do with it.

 

[SBT]

At my school I kicked off as they asked me to call a kid by their requested pronoun but then lie Infront of her parents who didn't like her life choice.

I refused to do it behind the parents back. Would be fuming if that was me

Isn’t the kid’s welfare the priority? If the kid’s confided in their teachers and their parents would give them a hard time about it, are you obliged to tell them?

 

[covcity4life]

Isn’t the kid’s welfare the priority? If the kid’s confided in their teachers and their parents would give them a hard time about it, are you obliged to tell them?

I'm not sure kids should be making decisions like this at age 13 etc

If still feel this way at 16 then fairplay. You do what you gotta do.

In terms of what I said it's more I think no school should lie to parents. I'm not saying grass on the kid I'm just saying don't ask me to act one way at school and then another at parents evening. Its decietfull

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I'm not sure kids should be making decisions like this at age 13 etc

If still feel this way at 16 then fairplay. You do what you gotta do.

In terms of what I said it's more I think no school should lie to parents. I'm not saying grass on the kid I'm just saying don't ask me to act one way at school and then another at parents evening. Its decietfull

This is when people expect teachers to also be social workers. Ultimately the parents have got to do some heavy lifting on things like this.

 

[covcity4life]

This is when people expect teachers to also be social workers. Ultimately the parents have got to do some heavy lifting on things like this.

There have been many kids at my school that asked us to stop calling them by their pronoun and go back to normal a few months/years later.

So it is a phase for many of them.

 

[SBT]

I'm not sure kids should be making decisions like this at age 13 etc

If still feel this way at 16 then fairplay. You do what you gotta do.

In terms of what I said it's more I think no school should lie to parents. I'm not saying grass on the kid I'm just saying don't ask me to act one way at school and then another at parents evening. Its decietfull

It’s nothing to do with whether the kid’s head is in the right place, it’s about what you do when a student has given you their confidence and they’re worried about their parents’ reaction. It’s obviously a really hard situation.

If a kid at a faith school tells his teachers that he thinks he’s an atheist now, but doesn’t want their parents to know because they’re very religious, do you have to just tell them anyway?

 

[covcity4life]

It’s nothing to do with whether the kid’s head is in the right place, it’s about what you do when a student has given you their confidence and they’re worried about their parents’ reaction. It’s obviously a really hard situation.

If a kid at a faith school tells his teachers that he thinks he’s an atheist now, but doesn’t want their parents to know because they’re very religious, do you have to just tell them anyway?

No idea

I've never grassed on a kid to their parents about them wanting to be trans though.

 

[clint van damme]

It’s nothing to do with whether the kid’s head is in the right place, it’s about what you do when a student has given you their confidence and they’re worried about their parents’ reaction. It’s obviously a really hard situation.

If a kid at a faith school tells his teachers that he thinks he’s an atheist now, but doesn’t want their parents to know because they’re very religious, do you have to just tell them anyway?

No, but if the headmaster goes all in and asks you to call the kid Richard Dawkins when their parents are t around you should refuse to get involved in the whole charade

 

[Ian1779]

I'm not sure kids should be making decisions like this at age 13 etc

If still feel this way at 16 then fairplay. You do what you gotta do.

In terms of what I said it's more I think no school should lie to parents. I'm not saying grass on the kid I'm just saying don't ask me to act one way at school and then another at parents evening. Its decietfull

They aren’t making a decision - they are exploring their identity and asking you to use a pronoun that may make them feel safe or included.

If a few months later they stop doing it then no one has been harmed or inconvenienced but that child may have more self esteeem or confidence in being who they want to.

 

[covcity4life]

They aren’t making a decision - they are exploring their identity and asking you to use a pronoun that may make them feel safe or included.

If a few months later they stop doing it then no one has been harmed or inconvenienced but that child may have more self esteeem or confidence in being who they want to.

I'm still at the stage where I say

"See what he did there? I mean she! Or is it they? Etc

The kids know I'm trying my best so had no issues so far.

I get what your saying about being there for them but still lots of research needs to be done into this. Could be harming these kids without knowing it by encouraging every whim.

 

[Ian1779]

I'm still at the stage where I say

"See what he did there? I mean she! Or is it they? Etc

The kids know I'm trying my best so had no issues so far.

I get what your saying about being there for them but still lots of research needs to be done into this. Could be harming these kids without knowing it by encouraging every whim.

Kids have been experimenting with adulthood, be it alcohol, drugs, smoking, sex or porn. Some also explore their sexuality, and although the idea around gender identity and pronouns is relatively recent, all we can do is educate them and empower them with knowledge in the way we would in all the other subject matters.

We would do more harm in trying to bury these topics.

 

[Grendel]

Kids have been experimenting with adulthood, be it alcohol, drugs, smoking, sex or porn. Some also explore their sexuality, and although the idea around gender identity and pronouns is relatively recent, all we can do is educate them and empower them with knowledge in the way we would in all the other subject matters.

We would do more harm in trying to bury these topics.

I do think the “playing” with gender identity for a large proportion of those who claim to have it is influenced by social media and potentially dangerous

 

[Grendel]

This is when people expect teachers to also be social workers. Ultimately the parents have got to do some heavy lifting on things like this.

The problem is it’s the school environment helps the behaviours and desire to self identity as a different gender

I’m assuming it’s still a tiny minority of students but one suspects a large percentage are not really looking at identity change at all

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The problem is it’s the school environment helps the behaviours and desire to self identity as a different gender

I’m assuming it’s still a tiny minority of students but one suspects a large percentage are not really looking at identity change at all

Well that depends on if you see that as a problem.

Of course these people are young and impressionable and it can be a very confusing time in life. But at the same time allowing them to explore these while they're still not of an age to be able to make final decisions for themselves they can work out if it's just a phase or if it's a more permanent feeling.

It's like kids that are given a very strict upbringing often go over the top when they get the chance to make their own decisions.

And I don't think it's a bad thing to have kids looking at people being different - it makes them more likely to be empathetic and tolerant adults.