What about our Leaky Defence ? (1 Viewer)

Happy_Martian · Jul 31, 2024

So with BTA almost certainly incoming, attack seems to be secured.

A CM would be nice to support Torp and Sheafy.

But apart from upgrading Binksy from loan to perm and bringing in Dovin, are people happy with our defence ?

Having a greater Goals Against last season than the previous Playoff year, is still unnerving to me.

Happy and last year was a gelling year ?

Needs to be looked at ?

Rebuild the back 5 ?

Ccfcisparks · Jul 31, 2024

Happy_Martian said:
So with BTA almost certainly incoming, attack seems to be secured.

A CM would be nice to support Torp and Sheafy.

But apart from upgrading Binksy from loan to perm and bringing in Dovin, are people happy with our defence ?

Having a greater Goals Against last season than the previous Playoff year, is still unnerving to me.

Happy and last year was a gelling year ?

Needs to be looked at ?

Rebuild the back 5 ?

The view on the defence, and the goals against stat is completely warped by the fact we capitulated in the last 6 or so games.

fatso · Jul 31, 2024

Not too worried, the back 4 are all settled in and know each other now, and Dovin should be a significant upgrade, with a full pre-season under their belts we should be more than solid at the back.

TomRad85 · Jul 31, 2024

Dovin will make a big difference. Think Binks and Thomas could be something special tbh. Kitching is decent, Lati will do as cover if needed.

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Seaside-Skyblue · Jul 31, 2024

Defence usually starts from the front. It isn't always players in isolation but the whole system being applied. If the team is defending as a unit and trying some new principles to last season then let's see.

Samo · Jul 31, 2024

Happy_Martian said:
So with BTA almost certainly incoming, attack seems to be secured.

A CM would be nice to support Torp and Sheafy.

But apart from upgrading Binksy from loan to perm and bringing in Dovin, are people happy with our defence ?

Having a greater Goals Against last season than the previous Playoff year, is still unnerving to me.

Happy and last year was a gelling year ?

Needs to be looked at ?

Rebuild the back 5 ?

Did you notice that we signed an international keeper?

Robinshio · Jul 31, 2024

They score 4 we will score 5

Gint11 · Jul 31, 2024

Have I missed something? BTA certain?

The watchmaker · Jul 31, 2024

Seaside-Skyblue said:
Defence usually starts from the front. It isn't always players in isolation but the whole system being applied. If the team is defending as a unit and trying some new principles to last season then let's see.

Just beat me to it. I was going to say that our press last night was quite impressive. Not a lot of championship defenders are going to like that.

CV22SBA · Jul 31, 2024

Thomas still scares the shit out of me with his passing sometimes. That pass to Calvert-lewin last night

The watchmaker · Jul 31, 2024

CV22SBA said:
Thomas still scares the shit out of me with his passing sometimes. That pass to Calvert-lewin last night

Yeah, give that kind of chance to a championship level striker and you are going to get punished. Still, it is preseason and in terms of an all round game it was good

The watchmaker · Jul 31, 2024

Samo said:
Did you notice that we signed an international keeper?

Who doesn't know what it is like to concede a goal yet - long may it continue.

lordy_87 · Jul 31, 2024

I think the idea this season might be to fight fire with fire

marrrkjay_ccfc · Jul 31, 2024

A Right Back and Centre Mid are needed. Then if we let one of the Goalkeepers go, we can bring in a Centre Back. Squad would then be 25 senior players:

GK - Dovin, Collins/Wilson
CB - Thomas, Binks, Latibeaudiere, Kitching, New CB
RB - van Ewijk, New RB
LB - Bidwell, Dasilva
CM - Sheaf, Eccles, Torp, Allen, New CM
AM - Rudoni, Palmer
RW - Sakamoto, Raphael
LW - Wright, Mason-Clark
ST - Simms, Tavares, Thomas-Asante*

*Not announced yet.

Happy_Martian · Jul 31, 2024

Samo said:
Did you notice that we signed an international keeper?

I'm sorry that your eyesight is failing you. Dovin was mentioned in the original post.

Is he your only answer ?

Or do you have other concerns ?

If not, that's fine.

The post was to gather opinions.

Not this forum's regular snarks.

Bertola · Jul 31, 2024

Going to a more traditional 4-3-3, and having another midfielder come in could see the defence improve without any additions

Happy_Martian · Jul 31, 2024

Robinshio said:
They score 4 we will score 5

lordy_87 said:
I think the idea this season might be to fight fire with fire

Didn't Charlton or Best say in the early 70s "We don't care if they score 4 because we know we'll score more".

If that's the case, this is going to be a crazy and exciting season.

Perennial Lurker · Jul 31, 2024

I say this a lot but look at other sides that play an exciting front foot style of football , teams like Man City , Liverpool and Arsenal all concede goals .
That is the compromise we have , it's either that or go back to a back 5 with Eccles and Kelly sitting in front

Happy_Martian · Jul 31, 2024

Gint11 said:
Have I missed something? BTA certain?

Think there's more noise to this than previous rumours (including Stamenic) so I'm prepared to stick my neck out.

Nothing is certain until the club announce though.

Happy_Martian · Jul 31, 2024

Perennial Lurker said:
I say this a lot but look at other sides that play an exciting front foot style of football , teams like Man City , Liverpool and Arsenal all concede goals .
That is the compromise we have , it's either that or go back to a back 5 with Eccles and Kelly sitting in front

Agree. There should be a balance between defending a 1-0 or going for broke. Does having an average defence make up for having an exhilarating attack ?

Ccfcisparks · Jul 31, 2024

Perennial Lurker said:
I say this a lot but look at other sides that play an exciting front foot style of football , teams like Man City , Liverpool and Arsenal all concede goals .
That is the compromise we have , it's either that or go back to a back 5 with Eccles and Kelly sitting in front

Arsenal got 18 clean sheets last season...

Perennial Lurker · Jul 31, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
Arsenal got 18 clean sheets last season...

How many did we get ?

Samo · Jul 31, 2024

Happy_Martian said:
I'm sorry that your eyesight is failing you. Dovin was mentioned in the original post.

Is he your only answer ?

Or do you have other concerns ?

If not, that's fine.

The post was to gather opinions.

Not this forum's regular snarks.

Ccfcisparks · Jul 31, 2024

Perennial Lurker said:
How many did we get ?

12

Perennial Lurker · Jul 31, 2024

Just checked - 12

Perennial Lurker · Jul 31, 2024

Happy_Martian said:
Agree. There should be a balance between defending a 1-0 or going for broke. Does having an average defence make up for having an exhilarating attack ?

They aren't average , where has this nonsense come from?

fernandopartridge · Jul 31, 2024

Ccfcisparks said:
The view on the defence, and the goals against stat is completely warped by the fact we capitulated in the last 6 or so games.

We played 5 games including one at Wembley with extra time over the space of 13 days.

Happy_Martian · Jul 31, 2024

Perennial Lurker said:
They aren't average , where has this nonsense come from?

Ours aren't world beaters either. They're good Championship level defenders. If you wish to put them higher than that, you are welcome to.

San Francisco · Jul 31, 2024

Robinshio said:
They score 4 we will score 5

Samo · Jul 31, 2024

Robinshio said:
They score 4 we will score 5

Vindaloo innit!

prufrock · Jul 31, 2024

in my opinion we have a better defence than last season. For instance Thomas started last season quite poorly but by the end of the season was a monster. it was his first season in the championship. this season he starts with a whole season of championship exp under his belt. likewise kitching, van ewijk and binks. i think, whilst nothing is certain, they all have the potential to be better than last season esp kitching. if we still had mcfadz we might worry of age will catch up to him, but we have a young defence that this season has a lot more championship exp than last.

skyblue_55 · Jul 31, 2024

I’m worried when Kitching is in the team . To me , he hasn’t improved & his general hoofing to nobody in particular, shows the league 1 player is still there .
His sendings off , also show us that he isn’t fleet footed & we could do with off loading & replacement coming in .
If this happens, Robins will have a lot of egg on his face

TomRad85 · Jul 31, 2024

skyblue_55 said:
I’m worried when Kitching is in the team . To me , he hasn’t improved & his general hoofing to nobody in particular, shows the league 1 player is still there .
His sendings off , also show us that he isn’t fleet footed & we could do with off loading & replacement coming in .
If this happens, Robins will have a lot of egg on his face

What a load of nonsense.

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Mucca Mad Boys · Jul 31, 2024

marrrkjay_ccfc said:
A Right Back and Centre Mid are needed. Then if we let one of the Goalkeepers go, we can bring in a Centre Back. Squad would then be 25 senior players:

GK - Dovin, Collins/Wilson
CB - Thomas, Binks, Latibeaudiere, Kitching, New CB
RB - van Ewijk, New RB
LB - Bidwell, Dasilva
CM - Sheaf, Eccles, Torp, Allen, New CM
AM - Rudoni, Palmer
RW - Sakamoto, Raphael
LW - Wright, Mason-Clark
ST - Simms, Tavares, Thomas-Asante*

*Not announced yet.

I don’t think we’ll get a CB and a RB, it’ll be one or the other. Assuming BTA signs, I agree that’s attack sorted and a CM is need to boost the ranks.

MalcSB · Jul 31, 2024

TomRad85 said:
Dovin will make a big difference. Think Binks and Thomas could be something special tbh. Kitching is decent, Lati will do as cover if needed.

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Thomas still prone to the odd error but Binks looked sound yesterday. They looked like a good partnership.

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