Chris1987
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No you weren't . Your whole argument was based around the club going for promotion by spending money regardless of whether we have it available or not. Fundamental difference.
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No you weren't . Your whole argument was based around the club going for promotion by spending money regardless of whether we have it available or not. Fundamental difference.You were basically implying that because I’m not a multimillionaire or because I’m not the owner of the club that my opinion was invalid because “the owner knows better” (not a direct quote), well that applies to almost every single one of us on this forum so it’s a moot point.
But yes I agree that only Doug knows the budget, so we get what we get, I was just giving my opinion on what I think we need that’s all.
I would have thought that would be the case but we went in for Stamenic.I think we sign a backup ST and then after that it'll be a one in one out policy.
Kasey out and new CM comes in.
I've always said i still think we have more in the pot to spend that a lot on here seem to think but you don't help yourself with things like "the more signings, the better." I mean, that's really not true.
I expect to see 2-3 more and expect a couple of them could be quite exciting.
I think we'll certainly see a CM and a CF. Outside of that its just a feeling we'll sign 1 more, dunno where though.I could be wrong but I think I said “the more signings the better, up to a point”, we obviously don’t need a 73 man squad but a few more signings would be ideal.
I think we'll sign a utility type player who can play a few positions to give us depth without costing a lot .I think we'll certainly see a CM and a CF. Outside of that its just a feeling we'll sign 1 more, dunno where though.
hopefully not another lati.I think we'll sign a utility type player who can play a few positions to give us depth without costing a lot .
Lati wasn't that bad until he got injured .h
hopefully not another lati.
I really don’t think £6-11 mil for 3 players is much at all in this day and age.
I get this point and totally understand the desire to improve the squad further, but we've already spent circa £12m on players who arrived this summer (EMC included). Another £6-11m takes us to or past £20m.I really don’t think £6-11 mil for 3 players is much at all in this day and age.
Your forgetting the singings we've all ready made.. what you're actually saying is you would like us to spend between 14 and 20 million on players this year (and that's not including the EMC money)... Have you heard of FFP?? How much do you think that would leave us able to spend in the next 2 seasons if we don't go up.. it really is insanity what you are suggesting..
Edit. I see you have said you don't know much about FFP, well if I remember rightly your allowed to lose around 30 over a 3 year period in The championship. That is why your way is unsustainabl
I get this point and totally understand the desire to improve the squad further, but we've already spent circa £12m on players who arrived this summer (EMC included). Another £6-11m takes us to or past £20m.
It would be lovely to improve the squad further that way, but how long do you think we can keep spending that?
We dont have the income and money to spend of the 'bigger clubs' in the division (of which there are probably 6-8) and we've long eclipsed the income of Vik and Gus. If we spent £20m every summer we risk financial instability and we've spent too long in that misery recently so this has to be approached with a long term view.
We are starting year 2 of a 4-5 year plan. Lots of teams throw the kitchen sink at it and fail. If we can develop the right players at the right time, create sell on value, we can be in the promotion mix for multiple seasons to come. It might seem boring and lacking immediate ambition a bit, but I'd personally rather a financially stable club than a 1-2 year all out splurge which might not work.
The only other option to not spending 14-20mil is either frees or loans?I know that £14-20 mil seems a lot but for a team that’s challenging for a top 4 spot in the championship I don’t think it’s extravagant at all.
The alternative is we either sign no one at all, sign only free agents or sign only loans. There aren’t any other options, and seeing as everyone suggests we need a quality CM and decent back-up ST then I believe we should buy players (for CM at least) as CM is a crucial position that we should be aiming to train a player up for, ready to step into Sheaf’s shoes if he goes this season or next. Buying players isn’t just a one window thing, it’s a long term investment that hopefully yields results and/or profit further down the line, as we can see with MVE, there’s £10-20 mil in waiting in him, £10-20 mil we wouldn’t have if we didn’t invest that initial £3-5 mil (or whatever it was).
Or stick where we are well stocked!!The only other option to not spending 14-20mil is either frees or loans?
The only other option to not spending 14-20mil is either frees or loans?
I know that £14-20 mil seems a lot but for a team that’s challenging for a top 4 spot in the championship I don’t think it’s extravagant at all.
The alternative is we either sign no one at all, sign only free agents or sign only loans. There aren’t any other options, and seeing as everyone suggests we need a quality CM and decent back-up ST then I believe we should buy players (for CM at least) as CM is a crucial position that we should be aiming to train a player up for, ready to step into Sheaf’s shoes if he goes this season or next. Buying players isn’t just a one window thing, it’s a long term investment that hopefully yields results and/or profit further down the line, as we can see with MVE, there’s £10-20 mil in waiting in him, £10-20 mil we wouldn’t have if we didn’t invest that initial £3-5 mil (or whatever it was).
spoilsportThe financial model only works if we realise the value in a player, i.e. sell them. Then we have to replace them.
Long term investment is great, but it has to be fronted by a player sale, someone with cash or with debt. And DK seems to be trying to avoid the latter, which I personally think is a very good thing considering our recent history.
The point I'm trying to get across is that we don't have deep enough pockets to sustain a nett spend of £20m every summer. Which is what you are currently hoping we do this window. So yes, if we sell Wilson or Collins for £10mil then we should definitely spend that on a CM, ST, probably a RB. But we cant magic money from thin air.
I love the ambition to get all the players in right now, but what a few of us are suggesting is that we simply might not have the cash to do it. And long term, we cant spend that much money every year, its just not financially viable.
The financial model only works if we realise the value in a player, i.e. sell them. Then we have to replace them.
Long term investment is great, but it has to be fronted by a player sale, someone with cash or with debt. And DK seems to be trying to avoid the latter, which I personally think is a very good thing considering our recent history.
The point I'm trying to get across is that we don't have deep enough pockets to sustain a nett spend of £20m every summer. Which is what you are currently hoping we do this window. So yes, if we sell Wilson or Collins for £10mil then we should definitely spend that on a CM, ST, probably a RB. But we cant magic money from thin air.
I love the ambition to get all the players in right now, but what a few of us are suggesting is that we simply might not have the cash to do it. And long term, we cant spend that much money every year, its just not financially viable.
Another problem with spending another £6-11m is that any players commanding such sums will also expect a significant salary. This never seems to be factored into the sums of posters (well one in particular) when speculating on the cost to the club of signing such players to sit on the bench, never mind any future repercussions from FFP.
We would also be stupid to cut out the opportunities for home grown players to ever make it into our team, which is effectively being proposed. To my eyes Burroughs definitely has something about him and the potential to make it, so I think it sends out a very poor message for us to sideline him without giving him the opportunity to make his mark, which ought to come through injury, suspension or tiredness of a first teamer at somepoint in the season.
He has you Muppet!!Alright maybe Burroughs could do a job, but it’s a could. I get your point about youth players but realistically we only ever bring them on when we’re comfortable in a game, typically not when we’re holding onto a narrow lead or drawing a game.
I also find it odd that as soon as I put a guesstimated figure of how much a CM and ST would be (and it’s just a suggestion at the end of the day) everyone seems to have dropped the idea of buying a CM and ST like a sack of hot shitLike do we want to be buying players or not? Or is it the case that everyone who previously suggested we need a CM and ST only wanted loanees? Genuinely interested as I now seem to be the only one defending the idea of buying any players at all
He has you Muppet!!
As has been explained previously the process is self financing. Buy lowish sell high , don't compromise next season's spend.Alright maybe Burroughs could do a job, but it’s a could. I get your point about youth players but realistically we only ever bring them on when we’re comfortable in a game, typically not when we’re holding onto a narrow lead or drawing a game.
I also find it odd that as soon as I put a guesstimated figure of how much a CM and ST would be (and it’s just a suggestion at the end of the day) everyone seems to have dropped the idea of buying a CM and ST like a sack of hot shitLike do we want to be buying players or not? Or is it the case that everyone who previously suggested we need a CM and ST only wanted loanees? Genuinely interested as I now seem to be the only one defending the idea of buying any players at all
Your last sentence is comprehensively wrong. Nobody is saying don't buy any players ( you've interpreted it this way). What people are saying generally is only buy if we have the funds to do so.Very different thingsAlright maybe Burroughs could do a job, but it’s a could. I get your point about youth players but realistically we only ever bring them on when we’re comfortable in a game, typically not when we’re holding onto a narrow lead or drawing a game.
I also find it odd that as soon as I put a guesstimated figure of how much a CM and ST would be (and it’s just a suggestion at the end of the day) everyone seems to have dropped the idea of buying a CM and ST like a sack of hot shitLike do we want to be buying players or not? Or is it the case that everyone who previously suggested we need a CM and ST only wanted loanees? Genuinely interested as I now seem to be the only one defending the idea of buying any players at all
Alright maybe Burroughs could do a job, but it’s a could. I get your point about youth players but realistically we only ever bring them on when we’re comfortable in a game, typically not when we’re holding onto a narrow lead or drawing a game.
I also find it odd that as soon as I put a guesstimated figure of how much a CM and ST would be (and it’s just a suggestion at the end of the day) everyone seems to have dropped the idea of buying a CM and ST like a sack of hot shitLike do we want to be buying players or not? Or is it the case that everyone who previously suggested we need a CM and ST only wanted loanees? Genuinely interested as I now seem to be the only one defending the idea of buying any players at all
As has been explained previously the process is self financing. Buy lowish sell high, don't compromise next season's spend.
So this season stick to the transfer budget get promotion, great. Don't get promotion, sell one of our best players at the end of the season for £20M + and replace with an minimum of 3 more players to develop. Self sustaining.
Your approach: speculate now, get promoted, great.
Your last sentence is comprehensively wrong. Nobody is saying don't buy any players (you've interpreted it this way). What people are saying generally is only buy if we have the funds to do so. Very different things.
To my mind the only position we definitely need another player to fill out the squad is up front, but whoever that is will likely start as back up to the existing players we have in Wright and Simms so we have to be realistic in who might want to sign for us in those circumstances. I have long thought that Tyrese Campbell as a free transfer fits perfectly but we don't seem to have shown any interest in him.
After that we could probably do with another CB ideally, but unless we revert to playing 3 central defenders, MR might think we have enough going into the season. As for CM, I only see a new CM being brought in if we can offload Palmer and/ or Allen.
There might be a fair chance that we do not sign anyone else before the actual season starts, after which I can see MR assessing our strengths and weaknesses with a view to making deadline week signings, be they loans, free transfers, or players bought.
He played a number of games there season before last, very adequately IMO!You mean Burroughs? As in he could do a job? He played a pre-season friendly and has played for a league one side for a bit, can he hack it at championship level? Not saying he can’t, hence why I said “could”
Fair enough, that’s your opinion and I’m not saying you’re wrong, simply saying that I’m yet to be convinced he’s good enough at this level, time will tell I supposeHe played a number of games there season before last, very adequately IMO!
I've always thought he looks a good player and I think he us an able deputy for van Ewijk. We really don’t need another right back as we have Burroughs, Latibeaudiere and Eccles as cover. Dasilva can also play there. We only play one right back and for most of the time it will be van Ewijk I hope. I think it is probably the strongest position in the squad.He played a number of games there season before last, very adequately IMO!
Personally, I'd say Eccles and Sakamoto are pretty nailed on starters. Plus one of EMC/Haji. (Eccles is controversial apparently)If you look at our guaranteed starters that shows what we still need in a couple of ways.
Guaranteed starters for first match
Dovin
MVE Thomas Binks
Sheaf Rudoni
Simms
We haven’t got £11 mil to splash.We haven’t got £6 mil. We are trying to build a sustainable business.You say £11 mil but my original quote was “between £6-£11 mil”, it doesn’t have to be exactly £11 mil as you keep stating. Simply a decent, cheap backup at RB would be enough, then £2-4 mil on a striker and maybe £3-5 mil on a CM.
£6 mil for a multimillionaire who owns a football club, who probably has multiple revenue streams and potentially has the Gyokeres/Hamer money coming in, let alone the sale of Sheaf, Simms and Van Ewijk at some point (which can be sold if we really need the money for future seasons), it’s really nothing when you consider the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Now is the time, not 2-3 years ago or 2-3 years in the future, it’s my belief that now is exactly the right time to make those extra investments in the club (and remember it’s just belief typed up onto a fan forum, it’s nothing serious or personal).
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