However I'd argue that Mr Fisher is not worth his fee, considering the number of supporters his antics have alienated!
Where I disagree is that I don't think the investors will tolerate leaving their money in a company that isn't worth the amount invested, unless they can take a regular profit and sell it at or near to the sum invested. There is no real money coming out and their are no real assets except Ryton, a few players who would attract a fee and the league position/goodwill of the club.
You seem to fall on the side of Sisu when there is uncertainty.
Bullshit is when you are lying and throwing it out there.
My opinion is that Sisu are not loosing out from the current situation otherwise what's the point.
You keep fighting their corner but I'm in the other one head held high.
You make statements like they are creaming from the club, I asked what it was.
Generally we'd be in a pool though, wouldn't we. One of many, to make up the whole.
If they've persuaded individuals and groups specifically to invest in a failing football club, then why the hell can't they be that persuasive when dealing with others elsewhere?!?
Classic . we lose a game and the anti-SISU hate flowers on SBT. Next time we win, it'll pipe down again.
You said it was bullshit, even though you can't be certain what keeps them here.
I'm giving my opinion but you are just blindly going out your way to put their case.
In my mind that's defending them.
You calling me a plonker can be taken as a compliment. I'm sure TF would say the same.
I think they're appealing more in hope than expectation now. Winning would be a bonus but whether they ultimately win or lose, I expect them to stay anyway and continue with the core strategy of sitting tight and hope to take advantage of Wasps' failings in order to grab the Ricoh in the future.
But I can't see Wasps failing badly enough to fold, they are very well run.
I'll be anti-Sisu until they go. They had their chance and fluffed it big time.
Each to their own I guess.
Forget anything else, this is why it's dangerous to assume they'll just sell up at some stage and leave. Her reputation is made on playing hard ball, and hard ball doesn't work if people think you just give in and walk away. Sometimes other options can be better in the wider context of what's better for other parties, if not CCFC...Sepalla trying to recover her reputation by showing she can turn round a failed investment
I have never said I know what keeps them here. That wasn't your claim was it? I asked you how they were creaming off the club and you come back with the usual SISU lover shit. Which is ironic as even after years nobody beats you at the start...
I am not going out of my way to put their case, Captain Dart who is far from a SISU lover has said he also doesnt' think they are taking money...
It's a massive risk though. They've played about as fast and loose as SISU, if not more so.
You never put a case against them you just challenge those that do.
People need to challenge them in everything they say and do, but it's not on here as it's like a Sisu filtering process where a few out shout the many.
Even the trust are blunted by these few and the very people who could unite the fans and offer leadership don't bother raising there head in case it is shot off by these Qwerty fighters.
Sisu are now a cancer for our club and we need to get a common theme going and not be split.
That said I would think that recent events and consequences will be testing the Seppala resolve and that could be very dangerous
A few members of the trust, like yourself, blunted themselves by attending Wasps games but complaining bitterly that CCFC had been moved. That's not defending SISU or a SISU filter, it's just fact.
I agree, they need to be challenged. So if you don't make things up it doesn't dilute things that are actually going on. While you shout about money being taken out, and Juggy makes things up don't you think it will make actual arguments weaker? It is the same as at fans forums when they have people shouting about 20m players and stupid questions, they will just laugh at stuff like that all day wont they?
The way to unite fans is to make things about CCFC.... That is the only time they ever unite.
I just don't understand what you think making up stuff will gain? It isn't challenging them is it?
Who does it damage? It isn't SISU, it is the club when fans refuse to go because they think Seppalla is out shopping with the James Maddison money. Who does Juggy's stuff damage? Certainly not SISU, again it is the club and Mowbray.
Do you not think if a fan on a fans forum asking for proof or more information on your statements stumps you, how do you think it is challenging SISU?
True, but it appears Wasps seem to have a game plan
I think you are saying, in all but words, is we should just watch the football and don't question the money we are putting in for season tickets etc.
Unfortunately every day a few more people just give up supporting financially.
Close the forum down if you want proof not opinions.
A lot of people have said over the years what are Sisu trying to achieve ? Nobody definitely knows. My opinion , is they are happy to keep taking board room level salaries out of the club , and use the club books for other reasons beyond a normal person to understand other than an accountant. I think the end is near , soon no academy ? and very soon nowhere for home fixtures . To me it looks like administration and Sisu walk away .
A few members of the trust, like yourself, blunted themselves by attending Wasps games but complaining bitterly that CCFC had been moved. That's not defending SISU or a SISU filter, it's just fact.
Thanks for the interpretation from beyond a normal person ;-)
Seriously for a second, having put us through administration twice since SISU arrived what would they benefit from by doing so a third time?
Completely destroying their own and the Trust's credibility in the process.
I'm afraid LateKickOffGate - when four leading Trust members called for the club to go into Admin in the hope that it would get rid of the owners without any real plan of how to achieve it - already achieved that feat in my book.
I'm afraid LateKickOffGate - when four leading Trust members called for the club to go into Admin in the hope that it would get rid of the owners without any real plan of how to achieve it - already achieved that feat in my book.
And on your other point of course you're right it was only once - schoolboy error sorry. But we were in it so long we were punished twice for it.
That was indeed poor.
However, much as the club needs to move on from Northampton and everything, I also think we need to maybe accept mistakes were made by a Trust board not expecting this, unable (incapable?) of knowing how to react, and maybe thrown into a bit of naive panic.
But maybe we need to get behind a trust in the sense that we're stronger together, accept the mistakes were made, and hope they've been learned from.
While I'm not a fan of doing things via the media if there is someone waiting in the wings to take over the best thing they can do is make it known publically. Tell us how they will sort things out and how they will fund it.That is the conversations that happen over and over again. Nobody ever says "This is exactly why".
While I'm not a fan of doing things via the media if there is someone waiting in the wings to take over the best thing they can do is make it known publically. Tell us how they will sort things out and how they will fund it.
If that happened I'm sure you'd unite the vast majority of the fanbase behind them in putting pressure on SISU to go.
Not really, that was all whispers and people claiming to know more than others. The same as I'd like SISU to come out with a clear plan that stacks up if there's any potential new owner get them to put their plan out there.Hmm. Like when that happened with Haskell?
What if we don't?Classic . we lose a game and the anti-SISU hate flowers on SBT. Next time we win, it'll pipe down again.
So they are not offsetting their losses ?
They must be daft.
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