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Voice_of_Reason · Jun 8, 2013

Byng will be the preferred bidder and be granted the Golden Share. SISU will kick off, but Byng will buy out Holdings (they could do this out of the small change in their back pocket). That will then leave the way for Byng to eventually buy the Ricoh and regenerate the West Midlands, starting with HS2 and a station at the Ricoh.

Byng are desparate to do this, hence I feel they will do a deal to buy out SISU - even if Holdings is granted the Golden Share,

rupert_bear · Jun 8, 2013

Could be smack on with that one and could be why Mr Fisher is playing hardball with this crackpot re-locating issue. The Byng proposal if for real ( i remember Dhinsa) will have a massive ally, GOVERNMENT, and don't just dismiss that and wonder why little old ccfc could attract such a powerful pal, it goes further than that. The Byng group have sort of appeared from nowhere, or have they ?

torchomatic · Jun 8, 2013

Regeneration Man. Today the West Midands, tomorrow the World.

Voice_of_Reason said:
Byng will be the preferred bidder and be granted the Golden Share. SISU will kick off, but Byng will buy out Holdings (they could do this out of the small change in their back pocket). That will then leave the way for Byng to eventually buy the Ricoh and regenerate the West Midlands, starting with HS2 and a station at the Ricoh.

Byng are desparate to do this, hence I feel they will do a deal to buy out SISU - even if Holdings is granted the Golden Share,

odysseus · Jun 8, 2013

rupert_bear said:
Could be smack on with that one and could be why Mr Fisher is playing hardball with this crackpot re-locating issue. The Byng proposal if for real ( i remember Dhinsa) will have a massive ally, GOVERNMENT, and don't just dismiss that and wonder why little old ccfc could attract such a powerful pal, it goes further than that. The Byng group have sort of appeared from nowhere, or have they ?

I'm always criticised by my friends and family for being blindly optimisitic and even I think this post is that. Hope to hell your right. Hope it does happen but I think realistically it is a stretch. I still do not understand why SISU are persisting. I do not see why they do not take what they can get and exit. They seem hell bent on destroying ccfc and alienating even the most die hard fans. Seriously depressing.

rupert_bear · Jun 8, 2013

Because sisu can see what Byng is wanting to do, they have alsorts of contacts throughout the world or maybe they, sisu, want to do business with the Byng group !!

Pusb1 · Jun 8, 2013

That will not happen. Tim Fisher stated that the job of the administrator is to find the best deal for the creditors of the business. The predominant creditor for Limited remains SISU, and thus their views will be considered most by the administrator when determining the preffered bidder. It is therefore likely that their influence will keep Ltd with them

rupert_bear · Jun 8, 2013

Maybe, but they need to make money for their clients, so they will undoubtably have a plan. Don't forget it wasn't that long ago, maybe a year, an MP, not local, stood up in the House and asked who owned Coventry City. So i'll ask on here. Who owns Coventry City or who owned Coventry City before ltd was put into administartion.

quinn1971 · Jun 8, 2013

Pusb1 said:
That will not happen. Tim Fisher stated that the job of the administrator is to find the best deal for the creditors of the business. The predominant creditor for Limited remains SISU, and thus their views will be considered most by the administrator when determining the preffered bidder. It is therefore likely that their influence will keep Ltd with them

If you listen to fisher it's game over . fortunately for us fisher is a deluded fool.The final answer is with the football league/football association.They are overseen by the sports minister/goverment.There are alot of people who could and WILL stop this new ground going*ahead . he's admitted himself he's concerned what the council could do to stop their plans for a new ground. This goes much further than the football league and local councils.

RogerH · Jun 8, 2013

Voice_of_Reason said:
Byng will be the preferred bidder and be granted the Golden Share. SISU will kick off, but Byng will buy out Holdings (they could do this out of the small change in their back pocket). That will then leave the way for Byng to eventually buy the Ricoh and regenerate the West Midlands, starting with HS2 and a station at the Ricoh.

Byng are desparate to do this, hence I feel they will do a deal to buy out SISU - even if Holdings is granted the Golden Share,

That would be a good scenario.

I wonder if there is a way that Byng/Haskell could be involved, as their business interests don't appear to clash.

It might pave the way for a cleaner take over if the Administrator awarded Ltd to Holdings then Byng/Haskell could make a bid for both without there being any danger of legal action, as SISU have threatened. It will, I believe require someone to write a cheque with a lot of 0s on the end.

I have thought that all this Fisher nonsense could be just a smokescreen while the real business is being done behind the scenes >

Sba180 · Jun 8, 2013

Voice_of_Reason said:
Byng will be the preferred bidder and be granted the Golden Share. SISU will kick off, but Byng will buy out Holdings (they could do this out of the small change in their back pocket). That will then leave the way for Byng to eventually buy the Ricoh and regenerate the West Midlands, starting with HS2 and a station at the Ricoh.

Byng are desparate to do this, hence I feel they will do a deal to buy out SISU - even if Holdings is granted the Golden Share,

Great. And we get an owner who has openly said they have no interest in the football club.

It'll be back to square one

Steve.B50 · Jun 8, 2013

halftimebovril said:
Great. And we get an owner who has openly said they have no interest in the football club.

It'll be back to square one

That's my fear, hence refer the PH4 option

Jack Griffin · Jun 8, 2013

I'm pretty sure a deal will be done eventually and it is more likely to be with the Far Eastern consortium than Elliott and will be sheathed in non disclosure agreements, but I think SISU will be in charge this season.

This will all be tied up with supporting HS2 which is a major plank of government & opposition policy, it is going ahead whatever and the government needs as much good news on the economy as it can get before the next election in 2 years time.

So my gut feeling is, next season SISU retain control & survive in D3 playing at the Ricoh except for the first month, next close season Byng consortium takeover club as break even business having negotiated deals with the other 2 parties.

Sick Boy · Jun 8, 2013

Steve.B50 said:
That's my fear, hence refer the PH4 option

What evidence is there that PH4 has an interest in football?

The other bid is fronted by a CCFC fan.

Ripbuster · Jun 8, 2013

Sick Boy said:
What evidence is there that PH4 has an interest in football?

.

You mean Soccer?

Spionkop · Jun 8, 2013

Me too? Where has PH4 said he has no interest in the club? Have I missed something?

Sick Boy · Jun 8, 2013

Spionkop said:
Me too? Where has PH4 said he has no interest in the club? Have I missed something?

He hasn't, but neither has Bynd, as was being claimed on here.

chilled · Jun 9, 2013

What about this as an alternative scenario....
if Sisu win the right to own the club and
Will not sell to our Asian friends.....
They set up a new club,playing at the Ricoh
In the bottom tier of the league.
Massive investment,in a stadium with naming rights
Walking through the leagues.....
guaranteeing them all the publicity
They want, with a foothold in the country ?

smouch1975 · Jun 9, 2013

Because any new team created, won't be Coventry City. It will not have our history and Nick will have to make a new forum. MK Dons is not Wimbledon and your scenario is not CCFC

chilled said:
What about this as an alternative scenario....
if Sisu win the right to own the club and
Will not sell to our Asian friends.....
They set up a new club,playing at the Ricoh
In the bottom tier of the league.
Massive investment,in a stadium with naming rights
Walking through the leagues.....
guaranteeing them all the publicity
They want, with a foothold in the country ?

BrisbaneBronco · Jun 9, 2013

smouch1975 said:
Because any new team created, won't be Coventry City. It will not have our history and Nick will have to make a new forum. MK Dons is not Wimbledon and your scenario is not CCFC

But the team would play IN Coventry. This is what the majority want isn't it ?

Jack Griffin · Jun 9, 2013

smouch1975 said:
Because any new team created, won't be Coventry City. It will not have our history and Nick will have to make a new forum. MK Dons is not Wimbledon and your scenario is not CCFC

That is one point of view, but it isn't mine.. if you tie yourself to the legacy you restrict your room for manouvre, the reality is that Coventry can only carry one league club and that has to be the one at the Ricoh. The ground with the statue of Jimmy Hill, the memorial garden and the walls of fame.

SkyBlueSwiss · Jun 9, 2013

Jack Griffin said:
That is one point of view, but it isn't mine.. if you tie yourself to the legacy you restrict your room for manouvre, the reality is that Coventry can only carry one league club and that has to be the one at the Ricoh. The ground with the statue of Jimmy Hill, the memorial garden and the walls of fame.

Exactly!
For me, the breakaway club playing in Coventry would be our club, including it's history and everything.
The CCFC that leaves Coventry is the equivalent of MK Dons and would no longer be our club, just as MK Dons is not Wimbledon. AFC Wimbledon is the real Wimbledon with all of its history.
So it would be with us. "MK Coventry CCFC Walsall" or whatever would not be our club. For me, our club would be AFC Coventry and would contain all of our past history, including winning the FA Cup in 1987.
I really do not care if this means we have to restart outside of the leagues if we can start again clean and bright with a club that is at least 50% supporter-owned. If the support is there, we can be back in the leagues in a relatively short time.

Samo · Jun 9, 2013

SkyBlueSwiss said:
Exactly!
For me, the breakaway club playing in Coventry would be our club, including it's history and everything.
The CCFC that leaves Coventry is the equivalent of MK Dons and would no longer be our club, just as MK Dons is not Wimbledon. AFC Wimbledon is the real Wimbledon with all of its history.
So it would be with us. "MK Coventry CCFC Walsall" or whatever would not be our club. For me, our club would be AFC Coventry and would contain all of our past history, including winning the FA Cup in 1987.
I really do not care if this means we have to restart outside of the leagues if we can start again clean and bright with a club that is at least 50% supporter-owned. If the support is there, we can be back in the leagues in a relatively short time.

We could be back up a lot sooner than under Tim's 10 year plan!

Ripbuster · Jun 9, 2013

smouch1975 said:
Because any new team created, won't be Coventry City. It will not have our history CCFC

It won't come to this anyhow.Willie Stanley's legacy will survive...

IMO
Coventry cathedral was bombed during the war,we have a new cathedral,it's still Coventry cathedral..

smouch1975 · Jun 9, 2013

Would you give up your surname as easily? Possibly you have a family history, lineage and heritage. Perhaps you have descended from the clans. If you have, you would understand where I'm coming from. As a Irishman you should well know the importance of holding onto such things.

AFC Coventry is not CCFC

Jack Griffin said:
That is one point of view, but it isn't mine.. if you tie yourself to the legacy you restrict your room for manouvre, the reality is that Coventry can only carry one league club and that has to be the one at the Ricoh. The ground with the statue of Jimmy Hill, the memorial garden and the walls of fame.

BrisbaneBronco · Jun 9, 2013

Ripbuster said:
It won't come to this anyhow.Willie Stanley's legacy will survive...

IMO
Coventry cathedral was bombed during the war,we have a new cathedral,it's still Coventry cathedral..

The History is in the minds of everyone and will never go away.
To me AFC Coventry playing at the Ricoh will be the same football club that won the Fa Cup.
The team playing outside of Coventry and owned by SISU is like a divorced partner.

DazzleTommyDazzle · Jun 9, 2013

smouch1975 said:
Would you give up your surname as easily? Possibly you have a family history, lineage and heritage. Perhaps you have descended from the clans. If you have, you would understand where I'm coming from. As a Irishman you should well know the importance of holding onto such things.

AFC Coventry is not CCFC

I don't think everyone sees it your way.

If you ask me about the club that won the cup in 1988, I'd be thinking about AFC Wimbledon - not MK Dons.

To use a SISUism, AFC CCFC would have a "beneficial interest" in Coventry City

chilled · Jun 9, 2013

DazzleTommyDazzle said:
I don't think everyone sees it your way.

If you ask me about the club that won the cup in 1988, I'd be thinking about AFC Wimbledon - not MK Dons.

To use a SISUism, AFC CCFC would have a "beneficial interest" in Coventry City

Food for thought.....let's say the breakaway club was formed and Ricoh was our Mecca......where would that leave Sisu? ...I would imagine they would be knocking there door down trying to break a deal before they're investment disappears ?......

Black6Osprey · Jun 9, 2013

DazzleTommyDazzle said:
I don't think everyone sees it your way.

If you ask me about the club that won the cup in 1988, I'd be thinking about AFC Wimbledon - not MK Dons.

To use a SISUism, AFC CCFC would have a "beneficial interest" in Coventry City

When I think of Wimbledon of 88, I think of a club that unfortunately no longer exists. All the "beneficial interest" in the world doesn't change that.

You can start a new club any time you like but it will never be the same.

@richh87 · Jun 9, 2013

I also see AFC Wimbledon as the club that Vinny Jones etc played for and win the FA Cup.

I'd back a pheonix team, but I don't think it'll come to that.

DazzleTommyDazzle · Jun 9, 2013

Black6Osprey said:
When I think of Wimbledon of 88, I think of a club that unfortunately no longer exists. All the "beneficial interest" in the world doesn't change that.

You can start a new club any time you like but it will never be the same.

As I said earlier, different people see it different ways.

Not wishing to put words into your mouth, but it seems that you feel that Wimbledon FC died when a particular limited company was wound up.

I don't think that the Wimbledon fans that resurrected the club (in my view, presumably "started anew" in yours) would agree with you and neither do I.

chilled · Jun 9, 2013

DazzleTommyDazzle said:
As I said earlier, different people see it different ways.

Not wishing to put words into your mouth, but it seems that you feel that Wimbledon FC died when a particular limited company was wound up.

I don't think that the Wimbledon fans that resurrected the club (in my view, presumably "started anew" in yours) would agree with you and neither do I.

Presumably....Rangers will no doubt become Celtics main rival again in the near future after promotions ...... I take it you feel they now have no history ?

DazzleTommyDazzle · Jun 9, 2013

chilled said:
Presumably....Rangers will no doubt become Celtics main rival again in the near future after promotions ...... I take it you feel they now have no history ?

No, I feel they have a long history.

I think you may have misread the thread....

cashless · Jun 9, 2013

Voice_of_Reason said:
Byng will be the preferred bidder and be granted the Golden Share. SISU will kick off, but Byng will buy out Holdings (they could do this out of the small change in their back pocket). That will then leave the way for Byng to eventually buy the Ricoh and regenerate the West Midlands, starting with HS2 and a station at the Ricoh.

Byng are desparate to do this, hence I feel they will do a deal to buy out SISU - even if Holdings is granted the Golden Share,

wrong as usual

italiahorse · Jun 9, 2013

Pusb1 said:
That will not happen. Tim Fisher stated that the job of the administrator is to find the best deal for the creditors of the business. The predominant creditor for Limited remains SISU, and thus their views will be considered most by the administrator when determining the preffered bidder. It is therefore likely that their influence will keep Ltd with them

Still can't get my head round how SISU are the main creditor. SISU own(ed) Ltd !!!

italiahorse · Jun 9, 2013

cashless said:
wrong as usual

It's his educated opinion.
You simply don't have a clue.

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