What now Rob S? (2 Viewers)

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The Gentleman

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This isn't a piss take but a genuine question, what now? Surely for you to have a concerted effort in achieving your goals, there must be a plan B? Otherwise what was the point to all of this?
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Perhaps plan B is to prepare some newsletters that talk about shouty types and get lots of likes on this forum.
 
covcity4life

covcity4life

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hey he tried something that could have helped, didnt come off. even if he doesnt try again he has tried to help more than most.

he hasn't caused trouble and made relations worse like some....
 
torchomatic

torchomatic

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Well, let's be honest, it is a piss take. If BP had got lots of votes then this thread wouldn't exist. Good on him for giving it a go.

The Gentleman said:
This isn't a piss take but a genuine question, what now? Surely for you to have a concerted effort in achieving your goals, there must be a plan B? Otherwise what was the point to all of this?
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lordsummerisle

lordsummerisle

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Give him time, only just started, need a long time to establish yourself enough to be able to consider postal vote rigging.
 
lewys33

lewys33

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Nobody will achieve anything on their own with an "anti-council" or "anti-sisu" agenda. The only way something will work is on a bigger scale and everyone working together.
 
Covstu

Covstu

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Joking aside there is really only one target we need to aim at and that is the football league. Too much water has passed under the bridge between SISU and CCC/ACL, the FL need to step in if not them then the FA. Our efforts need to be directed at them.
 
Rob S

Rob S

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The Gentleman said:
This isn't a piss take but a genuine question, what now? Surely for you to have a concerted effort in achieving your goals, there must be a plan B? Otherwise what was the point to all of this?
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This was only part of our wider campaign to make sure that all sides were being called to account – until we arrived on the scene CCC/ACL were getting a free pass – and to try and get this saga to a conclusion.

We had a great response on the doorsteps and have managed to get the overall debate back from the 'Sisu-out-at-all-costs' fundamentalism to a more reasonable – and achievable – 'all sides must share the blame and create the solution'.

So, this isn't a case of 'we failed, on to plan B'. We didn't fail at all, in fact we see this as a great success.

What next? Well, I'm off to the Scottish Highlands for a week and a well-deserved rest :)

Seriously though, we want to keep pushing for a negotiated solution between all sides that keeps all possible 'back to the Ricoh' scenarios on the table.

When we first started the campaign we said that 'the council should not exclude from negotiations selling the stadium – on a freehold or leasehold arrangement – to the club’s legal and rightful owners, whoever they may be' and it is looking as if the best solution could be around the club buying a leasehold so that they can have the much needed access to extra revenues and the council have the security of retaining the freehold.

I should stress at this point that we have never, and will never, call for the stadium to be given to Sisu or sold on the cheap.

How to make this happen? Well, many have tried and are still trying so we carry on. The Trust march in July will be a great event and we're fully behind it. It will be great for all fans to come together.

The next CCFC event on the horizon is the JR in just over two weeks. We'll be there but I will say this – don't think it will be the solution to our problems. It could actually make things worse. The JR is only a way to rule on if certain actions are legal. If those rulings are made against the council there will be another round of legal cases to deal with.

Overall, if the council win then they still have to deal with the problem of ACL, a company with very little future left. Sisu will carry on with their plans to try and build a new stadium. Depending on what comes out of the JR heads may roll and there still may be negotiations to be had.

If Sisu win then definitely expect heads to roll although the council could quite easily restructure the mortgage in a way that complies with regulations. The problem of ACL still remains.

Our current plan is to go over a whole bunch of documents and try and get some meetings with some influential people before the JR. Don't expect any more 'campaigns' for a while but we will be pulling together all of our support as, until now, we've been quite a loosely affiliated group.

tl;dr – the election was just part of our overall campaign to influence the debate and keep things in the public eye.
 
Astute

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Rob S said:
Overall, if the council win then they still have to deal with the problem of ACL, a company with very little future left. Sisu will carry on with their plans to try and build a new stadium. Depending on what comes out of the JR heads may roll and there still may be negotiations to be had.

If Sisu win then definitely expect heads to roll although the council could quite easily restructure the mortgage in a way that complies with regulations. The problem of ACL still remains.
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If the judgement goes the way of CCC....as most expect it to........not a lot will change. SISU will keep up with trying to get the Ricoh. They have admitted that they want the Ricoh and not to build a stadium. There is no advantage of putting our club into lots more debt to have a ground. ACL have little future left? Why is that? They seem to be making a profit. Or do you think it will be handed over to SISU eventually? Are you saying that you know that SISU will never negotiate a rental agreement? So if they can't get the freehold our club will never be back in Coventry? You seem to know more than you are letting on to.

If the judgement goes the way of SISU it will be on a technicality. Why will heads roll? They will have followed legal advice. All councilors have voted the same way. Would you expect all councilors to be got rid of?
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Astute said:
:thinking about:

If the judgement goes the way of CCC....as most expect it to........not a lot will change. SISU will keep up with trying to get the Ricoh. They have admitted that they want the Ricoh and not to build a stadium. There is no advantage of putting our club into lots more debt to have a ground. ACL have little future left? Why is that? They seem to be making a profit. Or do you think it will be handed over to SISU eventually? Are you saying that you know that SISU will never negotiate a rental agreement? So if they can't get the freehold our club will never be back in Coventry? You seem to know more than you are letting on to.

If the judgement goes the way of SISU it will be on a technicality. Why will heads roll? They will have followed legal advice. All councilors have voted the same way. Would you expect all councilors to be got rid of?
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You seem an expert on legal matters are you a barrister?
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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Astute said:
:thinking about:

If the judgement goes the way of CCC....as most expect it to........not a lot will change. SISU will keep up with trying to get the Ricoh. They have admitted that they want the Ricoh and not to build a stadium. There is no advantage of putting our club into lots more debt to have a ground. ACL have little future left? Why is that? They seem to be making a profit. Or do you think it will be handed over to SISU eventually? Are you saying that you know that SISU will never negotiate a rental agreement? So if they can't get the freehold our club will never be back in Coventry? You seem to know more than you are letting on to.

If the judgement goes the way of SISU it will be on a technicality. Why will heads roll? They will have followed legal advice. All councilors have voted the same way. Would you expect all councilors to be got rid of?
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a win either way would be a technicality in a case like this really
 
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The Prefect

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Astute said:
:thinking about:

If the judgement goes the way of CCC....as most expect it to........not a lot will change. SISU will keep up with trying to get the Ricoh. They have admitted that they want the Ricoh and not to build a stadium. There is no advantage of putting our club into lots more debt to have a ground. ACL have little future left? Why is that? They seem to be making a profit. Or do you think it will be handed over to SISU eventually? Are you saying that you know that SISU will never negotiate a rental agreement? So if they can't get the freehold our club will never be back in Coventry? You seem to know more than you are letting on to.

If the judgement goes the way of SISU it will be on a technicality. Why will heads roll? They will have followed legal advice. All councilors have voted the same way. Would you expect all councilors to be got rid of?
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It's a good call Astute. I don't see a win for SISU achieving anything but creating a requirement for re-financing ACL's mortgage. Where that damages SISU is also unclear as I'm not sure how a landlord's debt funding affects its tenant - especially one that refused to pay its rent.

A win for SISU will open the floodgates for the Council to be battered with every avenue of litigation possible (remember SISU's promise to litigate). I'm not sure it will create an environment that will help to get the club back to the Ricoh.
 
Astute

Astute

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The Prefect said:
It's a good call Astute. I don't see a win for SISU achieving anything but creating a requirement for re-financing ACL's mortgage. Where that damages SISU is also unclear as I'm not sure how a landlord's debt funding affects its tenant - especially one that refused to pay its rent.

A win for SISU will open the floodgates for the Council to be battered with every avenue of litigation possible (remember SISU's promise to litigate). I'm not sure it will create an environment that will help to get the club back to the Ricoh.
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SISU don't have a hold on ACL and the Ricoh. They are not tenants anymore. They were not forced out. They decided to move out. Their reason was that they don't trust CCC. Now if that was a reason for litigation the courts would be fully booked for years. Would it also mean that CCC would have a good reason to sue SISU? They certainly have enough reasons to not trust them.
 
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The Prefect

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Astute said:
SISU don't have a hold on ACL and the Ricoh. They are not tenants anymore. They were not forced out. They decided to move out. Their reason was that they don't trust CCC. Now if that was a reason for litigation the courts would be fully booked for years. Would it also mean that CCC would have a good reason to sue SISU? They certainly have enough reasons to not trust them.
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You're right although I'm convinced that SISU will claim conspiracy and that they were forced out. They only need to claim that in order to litigate and cause mayhem - whether the claims would have any validity could be open to debate. SISU's counter claim against Higgs in court a few weeks ago is an example of what they're capable of and whether they care about their claim's validity.
 
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