What would it take to fill Sixfields? (6 Viewers)

skybluetony176 · Oct 15, 2013

Nick said:
Yes but surely the past has some part to play in the situation we find our selves in now? It is all well and good saying it is the past and to forget it, but it did have a big impact on the club.

you sound like alan ball interviews when he managed man city.

Q) alan you lost the game. A) but i won the world cup
Q) alan your team aren't playing well. A) but i won the world cup
Q) alan your team are flirting with relegation. A) but i won the world cup
Q) alan your team are now in the bottom 4. A) but i won the world cup
Q) alan your team are rock bottom. A) but i won the world cup
Q) alan your team have just been relegated A) but i won the world cup

you cant live of past victories just you like you cant move forward on past crap rental deals that no longer have any threat to the club.

tell me, will you still be bleating on about the rent deal when shitsu have consigned the club to the history books?

Nick · Oct 15, 2013

Of course the past rental deals / decisions from owners etc have an affect on the club and the situation we are in now. Am I saying it is 100% of the reason we are in Northampton? Of course not.

How can you not see that things in the past WILL affect how things are now? Look at Portsmouth, things in the past have done them over but shall we blame the fans who run them because they are the ones who run them now?

skybluetony176 · Oct 15, 2013

Nick said:
Of course the past rental deals / decisions from owners etc have HAD an affect on the club and the situation we are in now. Am I saying it is 100% of the reason we are in Northampton? Of course not.

How can you not see that things in the past WILL affect how things are now? Look at Portsmouth, things in the past have done them over but shall we blame the fans who run them because they are the ones who run them now?

I've corrected your 1st statement for you. shitsu are the has, ACL are the have been's.

bigfatronssba · Oct 15, 2013

The fact the club is now financially worse off than when renting the Ricoh indicates to me that the rent row was all a smokescreen anyway.

Nick · Oct 15, 2013

I'm not sure if you are on the wind up?

It is pretty easy to understand surely where I am coming from?

Does it mean that the Portsmouth owners who are there now are to blame that they are in League 2 because of the mess that past owners / associates have caused? After all those people are in the past, aren't they?

skybluetony176 · Oct 15, 2013

Nick said:
I'm not sure if you are on the wind up?

It is pretty easy to understand surely where I am coming from?

Does it mean that the Portsmouth owners who are there now are to blame that they are in League 2 because of the mess that past owners / associates have caused? After all those people are in the past, aren't they?

i could ask you the same thing.

it means they can do sweet FA about what got the into League 2 so their is no point in bleating on about past failures. they fight the fight that is NOW on their doorstep, ie fight to climb the leagues.

in the same vain we can do sweet FA about the past rent deal so there is no point in keep bleating on about it as you do. fight the fight that is at your/ours door step, an owner who mismanagement is hell bent on consigning us to the history books.

seriously, i running out of ways how to put it. you need to let the penny drop

Grendel · Oct 15, 2013

bigfatronssba said:
The fact the club is now financially worse off than when renting the Ricoh indicates to me that the rent row was all a smokescreen anyway.

Except we were financially worse off when renting the Ricoh and enjoying crowds of 22,000 plus

Grendel · Oct 15, 2013

skybluetony176 said:
I've corrected your 1st statement for you. shitsu are the has, ACL are the have been's.

So you forget the past conveniently when it suits?

If SISU returned to the Ricoh and started paying the rent its bygones with them as well?

skybluetony176 · Oct 15, 2013

Grendel said:
Except we were financially worse off when renting the Ricoh and enjoying crowds of 22,000 plus

we will only know that when the books are posted that cover this seasons revenues, i'm going for 2022.

Grendel · Oct 15, 2013

skybluetony176 said:
we will only know that when the books are posted that cover this seasons revenues, i'm going for 2022.

No we know it now. You see that's an inconvenient truth that ruins the complete garbage you spout doesn't it Tony?

Remember when we didn't pay for players we had signed (still played him though), owed the revenue millions, owed local creditors?

When was that? When we were playing in front of 20,000 plus people and being ripped off by the council. Debts had reached catastrophic levels and the club was nearly liquidated.

So that's all history and we can be all good buddies with the greedy scum that started this off can we?

skybluetony176 · Oct 15, 2013

Grendel said:
So you forget the past conveniently when it suits?

If SISU returned to the Ricoh and started paying the rent its bygones with them as well?

i haven't forgotten and it doesn't conveniently suit me, it just serves no purpose and does zero in assisting the future of the club.

If SISU returned to the Ricoh and started paying the rent its stalemate. i will still want shitsu out as a priority and it could POSSIBLY lead to getting rid of ACL/CCC at the same time if the new owner has a deal to buy the ricoh. a win win, if you like.

skybluetony176 · Oct 15, 2013

Grendel said:
No we know it now. You see that's an inconvenient truth that ruins the complete garbage you spout doesn't it Tony?

i'll use one of your favourite quotes to answer this one. where is the evidence, where is the link to it.

how do we know it. share this info with the group. you must be privy to some info we aint. show me the figures so i can stop spouting garbage. do a fellow fan that favour instead of throwing insults at him.

Grendel · Oct 15, 2013

skybluetony176 said:
i'll use one of your favourite quotes to answer this one. where is the evidence, where is the link to it.

how do we know it. share this info with the group. you must be privy to some info we aint. show me the figures so i can stop spouting garbage. do a fellow fan that favour instead of throwing insults at him.

So you are denying we refused to pay for players we signed and owed the revenue millions?

Nick · Oct 15, 2013

skybluetony176 said:
i could ask you the same thing.

it means they can do sweet FA about what got the into League 2 so their is no point in bleating on about past failures. they fight the fight that is NOW on their doorstep, ie fight to climb the leagues.

in the same vain we can do sweet FA about the past rent deal so there is no point in keep bleating on about it as you do. fight the fight that is at your/ours door step, an owner who mismanagement is hell bent on consigning us to the history books.

seriously, i running out of ways how to put it. you need to let the penny drop

The penny drop how? If things have damaged us in the past than they will have a lasting affect financially wouldn't they? If past mistakes don't matter than that mistake SISU made to move us to Northampton doesn't really matter now does it so let's just get behind them?

They have moved us to Northampton, no point bleating on about it is there as it is the past, it has happened?

Shall we tell all of those people claiming back PPI stuff they were tricked into having to just forget it as it is the past even if it has affected them financially? (This is not me saying SISU should get a refund)

Things do have a lasting damage, not just the rent. The past owners, decisions at Highfield Road etc all add up and can affect how we are now.

Grendel · Oct 15, 2013

Nick said:
The penny drop how? If things have damaged us in the past than they will have a lasting affect financially wouldn't they? If past mistakes don't matter than that mistake SISU made to move us to Northampton doesn't really matter now does it so let's just get behind them?

They have moved us to Northampton, no point bleating on about it is there as it is the past, it has happened?

Ignore him - He is a WUM - it's the only explanation

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 15, 2013

If we forget the past entirely, then why aren't we lobbying CCC to find some sites for our brand new owners Otium (yet to be tainted with anything, they didn't move the club) who have publicly stated they wish to return to the area?

Ah, except they publicly stated that in the past too.

However, since this thread began, there has been no public statement from club nor council, therefore we are in a state opf neutrality, Belgium if you will.

Therefore, as we're forgetting the past we can make no judgement either way on anybody.

Or do anything.

Or say anything.

This post in fact is now the past, so is irrelevant.

What am I replying to again?

A football club, you say? What's one of those?

What's football?

skybluetony176 · Oct 15, 2013

Grendel said:
So you are denying we refused to pay for players we signed and owed the revenue millions?

so you are refusing to answer my question by using diversion tactics?

Grendel · Oct 15, 2013

skybluetony176 said:
so you are refusing to answer my question by using diversion tactics?

I've answered it.

When the rent was £1.3 million the club went bankrupt. It owed in access of £40 million and this was geniune debt (you deny Shitsu have anything like that debt). We couldn't pay transfer fees, we owed the taxman millions. Thats the world of CCFC the ACL way.

skybluetony176 · Oct 15, 2013

Nick said:
The penny drop how? If things have damaged us in the past than they will have a lasting affect financially wouldn't they? If past mistakes don't matter than that mistake SISU made to move us to Northampton doesn't really matter now does it so let's just get behind them?

They have moved us to Northampton, no point bleating on about it is there as it is the past, it has happened?

Shall we tell all of those people claiming back PPI stuff they were tricked into having to just forget it as it is the past even if it has affected them financially? (This is not me saying SISU should get a refund)

Things do have a lasting damage, not just the rent. The past owners, decisions at Highfield Road etc all add up and can affect how we are now.

moving the club to Northampton is not a past mistake, its happening now, its current. unlike the ACL rent deal.

if the club ever returns to the city of Coventry, not the Coventry area (ie Warwickshire, Solihull borough) then you have my word i will never mention sixfields again unless we are going their as the visiting team.

the people claiming back PPI can currently do something about it so that is relevant, unlike the ACL rent deal. the club has no legal standing for a refund on the rent that got paid.

off course historic bad management have a lasting effect on a business but you don't put things right by keep looking back and crying about it, you move forward and build looking in the direction you want to go.

skybluetony176 · Oct 15, 2013

Grendel said:
I've answered it.

When the rent was £1.3 million the club went bankrupt. It owed in access of £40 million and this was geniune debt (you deny Shitsu have anything like that debt). We couldn't pay transfer fees, we owed the taxman millions. Thats the world of CCFC the ACL way.

no you haven't. you replied to someone stating we are financially worse of now with "Except we were financially worse off when renting the Ricoh and enjoying crowds of 22,000 plus"

my reply was you cant say that until we see the books for the club that cover this season. you haven't seen those books. for all you know we are currently £ 120 million in debt at this moment in time. i don't know, you don't know. Shitsu's accountants don't know, they haven't even got all the books in relating to our club that were due in February. for all you know those books that have yet to be posted might have the club in debt higher than the £ 40million you talk about when the club went bankrupt.

it will be years before anyone will know. including you

Grendel · Oct 15, 2013

skybluetony176 said:
no you haven't. you replied to someone stating we are financially worse of now with "Except we were financially worse off when renting the Ricoh and enjoying crowds of 22,000 plus"

my reply was you cant say that until we see the books for the club that cover this season. you haven't seen those books. for all you know we are currently £ 120 million in debt at this moment in time. i don't know, you don't know. Shitsu's accountants don't know, they haven't even got all the books in relating to our club that were due in February. for all you know those books that have yet to be posted might have the club in debt higher than the £ 40million you talk about when the club went bankrupt.

it will be years before anyone will know. including you

Are you not feeling well?

You are sounding like CJ Parker in meltdown mode.

Log off and take your SHITSU for a late night walk.

skybluetony176 · Oct 15, 2013

Grendel said:
Ignore him - He is a WUM - it's the only explanation

yes i'm a wum, its the only explanation. have you found shitsu's accounts yet for this season?

skybluetony176 · Oct 15, 2013

Grendel said:
Are you not feeling well?

You are sounding like CJ Parker in meltdown mode.

Log off and take your SHITSU for a late night walk.

as always grendull, lots of hot air and no substance. does your mum know you are up this late. you'll be on the naughty step again.

Grendel · Oct 15, 2013

skybluetony176 said:
as always grendull, lots of hot air and no substance. does your mum know you are up this late. you'll be on the naughty step again.

You are avoiding the main issue. You constantly bleat on about low crowds, big debts and deny any council wrongdoing.

22,000 fans = £40 million debt. What's the common denominator Tony? The club were losing over half a million every month. What's the common denominator - say it Tony - I dare you.

skybluetony176 · Oct 15, 2013

Grendel said:
You are avoiding the main issue. You constantly bleat on about low crowds, big debts and deny any council wrongdoing.

22,000 fans = £40 million debt. What's the common denominator Tony? The club were losing over half a million every month. What's the common denominator - say it Tony - I dare you.

show me a post where i have said the council are not guilty of any wrong doing-do it grendull-i dare you.

while your looking for that you might find shitsu's books that cover this season so you can prove that we are financially better of now then what we were when we were renting the ricoh

skybluetony176 · Oct 15, 2013

Grendel said:
You are avoiding the main issue. You constantly bleat on about low crowds, big debts and deny any council wrongdoing.

22,000 fans = £40 million debt. What's the common denominator Tony? The club were losing over half a million every month. What's the common denominator - say it Tony - I dare you.

and the common denominator is bad management.

georgehudson · Oct 16, 2013

ah, but grendel endlessly professes to be the all seeing eye,
how wonderful it must be to be in his echelon,
the major problem, of course, is that our dire consequence is due to a multiplicity of factors,
many parties / factions have to shoulder appropriate portions of blame,
but,
as far as problem analysis is concerned, it needs to be,
'identify the cause rather than the effect',
solving this predicament is down, surely, down to the the gov't, law of the land,
the fans of Coventry City are sick 'to the back teeth' of being abused by various factions,
if we CCFC fans were, at least taken notice of, then justice might prevail,
i post / speak, from the heart,
my club is Coventry,
& not a hybrid, from whoever purports to have OUR best interests at heart,
for goodness sake, bring our club back home,
megalomania has no place in this situation,
PUSB

shmmeee · Oct 16, 2013

I can't tell if this thread is full of trolls or people who honestly can't understand basic English. I'm guessing a mix of both.

Let's look at what we can impact: do we want lower rent? Yes. Was it offered? Yes

Is the most important thing that we own our ground or are back in Cov? If the latter then we can only lobby Sisu as they are the ones refusing to negotiate a rental deal in Cov.

And yes, I agree that should it come to a new stadium we should lobby the council for best placement. But again, it's not CCC who have said the club won't return under their jurisdiction, its Sisu.

SonOfSnoz · Oct 16, 2013

skybluetony176 said:
the amount of people that are assuming that is terrifying, the fact the timmy has been quoted saying "its too early to make that decision" when posed with the question about who will the stadium belong too should scream alarm bells in everyone's head. that's the sort of statement that should make you assume the worst case scenario not the best.

if anyone doesn't agree with me you need to let me know you're account number, pin number, mothers maiden name and the 3digit security code from the back of your card. i have just discovered you have won millions on the Nigerian lottery (you know, the 1 you didn't enter) and i will send you the funds once you have sent me £ 1,000.00 to cover the admin cost and no we cant take it out of your winnings.

Are you Onye?

Astute · Oct 16, 2013

Grendel said:
You are avoiding the main issue. You constantly bleat on about low crowds, big debts and deny any council wrongdoing.

22,000 fans = £40 million debt. What's the common denominator Tony? The club were losing over half a million every month. What's the common denominator - say it Tony - I dare you.

You keep saying how clever you are Grendull. Can you help me work out how we are 70m in debt?

At one stage we were losing 500k a month. SISU took over in December 2007. So they have been at our club for 70 months. If they had been losing 500k a month every month they would have built up a debt of 35m. But they haven't been losing 500k for most of the time. Yet they say they have invested more than this. They paid rent for less than 5 years. At 1.2m a year this would have been 6m of what they lost.

So where have the debts come from? The management fees you say they don't charge? Are they charging interest on loans? If so are they charging Wonga rates?

So where has all the debt come from Grendull? :thinking about:

bigfatronssba · Oct 16, 2013

Astute said:
You keep saying how clever you are Grendull. Can you help me work out how we are 70m in debt?

At one stage we were losing 500k a month. SISU took over in December 2007. So they have been at our club for 70 months. If they had been losing 500k a month every month they would have built up a debt of 35m. But they haven't been losing 500k for most of the time. Yet they say they have invested more than this. They paid rent for less than 5 years. At 1.2m a year this would have been 6m of what they lost.

So where have the debts come from? The management fees you say they don't charge? Are they charging interest on loans? If so are they charging Wonga rates?

So where has all the debt come from Grendull? :thinking about:

You do know he will just ignore this post do you?

Spionkop · Oct 16, 2013

I like Flying Fokker's idea of the concrete. A cement overcoat for Joy and Tim and throw PA in as well.

bigfatronssba · Oct 16, 2013

Grendel said:
Except we were financially worse off when renting the Ricoh and enjoying crowds of 22,000 plus

Are you seriously saying that the club paying £1.3m in rent, but getting crowds of 22k is worse than paying £150k in rent but getting crowds of under 2k?

Grendel · Oct 16, 2013

Astute said:
You keep saying how clever you are Grendull. Can you help me work out how we are 70m in debt?

At one stage we were losing 500k a month. SISU took over in December 2007. So they have been at our club for 70 months. If they had been losing 500k a month every month they would have built up a debt of 35m. But they haven't been losing 500k for most of the time. Yet they say they have invested more than this. They paid rent for less than 5 years. At 1.2m a year this would have been 6m of what they lost.

So where have the debts come from? The management fees you say they don't charge? Are they charging interest on loans? If so are they charging Wonga rates?

So where has all the debt come from Grendull? :thinking about:

The football related debt is that owed to Arvo as you well know.

ajsccfc · Oct 16, 2013

SonOfSnoz said:
Are you Onye?

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