Whatever happened to Coventry city centre? (2 Viewers)

Deleted member 5849 · May 27, 2015

Otis said:
Lol. Oddly enough, I've just this second had an email from John Lewis saying they are price matching a competitor's promotion today. 

Means you must have shopped either there or Waitrose some time

Grendel does have a point, in that the shopping areas are kind of... poor, and it doesn't particularly matter if you like it, I like it... compared to some neighbouring towns it does need more in there - shouldn't really be behind Solihull and Leamington in terms of range.

And the Precinct is laid out nicely to be able to mirror Solihull if the will's there. It has some great little pockets (market stands out. Really, we should be proud of that) but again, not connected. It's been the city's problem for ages (although better than it was!) that developments tend not to join together. That said, Whittle Arches a decent entrance if you come by bus, the Transport Museum's looking fine, Briadgate's better than it was (still wish it'd go green again mind, and that we'd get the view of the Cathedral back from the lower precinct) a shout-out to the odd little shop or cafe... but they tend to stand in isolation. Increase them and get a 'name' or two in, and it really will be on the up.

Otis · May 27, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
Means you must have shopped either there or Waitrose some time

Grendel does have a point, in that the shopping areas are kind of... poor, and it doesn't particularly matter if you like it, I like it... compared to some neighbouring towns it does need more in there - shouldn't really be behind Solihull and Leamington in terms of range.

And the Precinct is laid out nicely to be able to mirror Solihull if the will's there. It has some great little pockets (market stands out. Really, we should be proud of that) but again, not connected. It's been the city's problem for ages (although better than it was!) that developments tend not to join together. That said, Whittle Arches a decent entrance if you come by bus, the Transport Museum's looking fine, Briadgate's better than it was (still wish it'd go green again mind, and that we'd get the view of the Cathedral back from the lower precinct) a shout-out to the odd little shop or cafe... but they tend to stand in isolation. Increase them and get a 'name' or two in, and it really will be on the up.

Yes, agree.

Yep, shopped in Waitrose before, but then again I much prefer M&S food.

I wrote an article a few years ago in the CT talking about the need to have restaurant and shopping quarters and the need to try and arrange the shopping experience to be better.

Deleted member 5849 · May 27, 2015

Otis said:
Yes, agree.

Yep, shopped in Waitrose before, but then again I much prefer M&S food.

I wrote an article a few years ago in the CT talking about the need to have restaurant and shopping quarters and the need to try and arrange the shopping experience better.

There are also too many compromises made. The original precinct vision, a cross and the ability to centre the view on the cathedral, well that's a superb vision.

But we never let anything get old before starting again.

And then crazy decisions end up hurting the fresh starts over the years - the Priory area's a nice little park, well done, the visitor centre there's a little hideaway but... that's set to close. We just don't sell what we have well for tourists. There are things to see and do, but we neglect them and stop them showing their worth.

RedSalmon · May 27, 2015

Grendel said:
John Lewis is the best place to buy electrical and white goods - 2 year warranty and price match

The point I am making is Coventry has a very poor offering for high end consumers. You may so "so what" but that brings trade and wealth in the City and it also brings people into the boundaries to live in it. In my office there is one person who lives in Coventry out of 11 workers - one. That one mutters under their breath they live there, Actually this is only because the centre has a total lack of appeal to that demographic and it continues to ignore these people at its peril

Lucas can build on greenbelt land all she likes but the people will not come unless the facilities and infrastructure are a lot more desirable.

Agree with just about all of this. Other high end retailers will follow a name like John Lewis because they know shoppers with disposable cash will shop there and probably shop with them as well. In fairness the council (I am most deffinately not a fan) do seem to be trying to improve the image and surroundings of the city centre. One of the problems is that it has been allowed to deteriorate to such a low level for so long it takes quite a while to bring things back to a decent level.

Never understood why the council bent over backwards to get Ikea into Coventry. The building is a monstrosity and will blight the skyline for years. Never been in the place but am told it's never more than half full.

Deleted member 5849 · May 27, 2015

RedSalmon said:
Never understood why the council bent over backwards to get Ikea into Coventry. The building is a monstrosity and will blight the skyline for years. Never been in the place but am told it's never more than half full.

tbf it does get people in from outside... although I agree about the building! Has always been reasonably busy when I've wondered through, but maybe I just pick the busy times The sheer size of it will mean people are always spaced out though. I'd say overall that was a good decision, but do agree that it'd have been nice to have something that didn't dwarf Spon Street and St John's Church!

Otis · May 27, 2015

RedSalmon said:
Agree with just about all of this. Other high end retailers will follow a name like John Lewis because they know shoppers with disposable cash will shop there and probably shop with them as well. In fairness the council (I am most deffinately not a fan) do seem to be trying to improve the image and surroundings of the city centre. One of the problems is that it has been allowed to deteriorate to such a low level for so long it takes quite a while to bring things back to a decent level.

Never understood why the council bent over backwards to get Ikea into Coventry. The building is a monstrosity and will blight the skyline for years. Never been in the place but am told it's never more than half full.

It's a huge store though, the Cov one. Compared to others.

Been by car a few times at weekends and the car park has been pretty full there.

Grendel · May 27, 2015

Otis said:
It's a huge store though, the Cov one. Compared to others.

Been by car a few times at weekends and the car park has been pretty full there.

IKEA is an in and out store - it adds zero to City trade

Otis · May 27, 2015

Grendel said:
IKEA is an in and out store - it adds zero to City trade

Can i just ask how you know this? Puzzled as to why you believe this to be the case. Or is it just your own perception?

I used to work in the city centre and many people would shop there in their lunch breaks and then shop elsewhere too. People don't just drive in, shop at Ikea and then drive off again.

I'm sure some do and I'm sure some don't. Find that statement a bit sweeping to be honest. I know people, who like me, just go in, go straight up to the market floor and buy stuff there and then shop elsewhere too. Not everyone just goes to Ikea on an Ikea shopathon.

Deleted member 5849 · May 27, 2015

RedSalmon said:
Thinking about it if Cathedaral Lanes does end up having a few nice restaurants in it, then they will need to consider a few bars in and around the same area.

I think the problem might be that so many bars in the city centre really only aim for, and cater for, students. Any new ones that aim for the same custom base as these restaurants will have to be quite a bit different.

Now the Golden Cross is a shadow of its former self, it's an ideal building for a top quality trad pub food fayre. Nice site, nice outlook over the cathedral, somewhere to stop for a real ale and a nice hearty meal.

They want it to be for spirit drinking 20yo men of course...

RedSalmon · May 27, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
Now the Golden Cross is a shadow of its former self, it's an ideal building for a top quality trad pub food fayre. Nice site, nice outlook over the cathedral, somewhere to stop for a real ale and a nice hearty meal.

They want it to be for spirit drinking 20yo men of course...

Would be good if this beautiful old pub could be sorted out and re branded. Fantastic location and with the right people in charge could be areal winner.

chiefdave · May 27, 2015

Seems to me what Coventry is lacking is it's Bull Ring. Brum council saw what was missing and did something about it where our council celebrate getting a Wagamama which must already be in pretty much every city in the country.

Unless they have a plan and do something to attract the higher end retailers they won't just turn up on their own.

Sick Boy · May 28, 2015

ccfc92 said:
What's Wagamama like?

We have one in Bournemouth, but haven't been yet.

The other two, I've not heard of.

If you like bland food that is cooked in 5 minutes then knock yourself out.

Sick Boy · May 28, 2015

Otis said:
Well we will have to agree to disagree then.

In the last 6 months I have spent a number of days in Maidstone, Bedford, Reading, Northampton, Manchester, London, Luton, Guildford, Farnham, Ipswich, Rye, Hastings, Bournemouth, amongst many others and I have seen idiots in every circumstance.

Yep, some much prettier towns and cities than Coventry, but still the same sort of idiots.

Hastings is one of the biggest dumps in the country. Went there probably 7 years ago and there were a couple of idiots burying a dead kitten under stones on the beach.

Tad · May 30, 2015

chiefdave said:
Seems to me what Coventry is lacking is it's Bull Ring. Brum council saw what was missing and did something about it where our council celebrate getting a Wagamama which must already be in pretty much every city in the country.

Unless they have a plan and do something to attract the higher end retailers they won't just turn up on their own.

I don't think we need one to be honest. I'm not sure if this is exactly true, but I've heard many people say opening and running a shop in Cov city centre is just too damn expensive. Maybe addressing that would help bring life into the city.

Noggin · May 31, 2015

we shop in Birmingham, go to the cinema in Birmingham, go out to eat in Leamington, Kennilworth, Birmingham, even go to the hospital in Birmingham (not a choice though), my only trips to the city centre have been to specsavers, the football club was the only thing I really loved about the city and thats been ruined too over the last couple of years, shame.

Ashdown · May 31, 2015

Noggin said:
we shop in Birmingham, go to the cinema in Birmingham, go out to eat in Leamington, Kennilworth, Birmingham, even go to the hospital in Birmingham (not a choice though), my only trips to the city centre have been to specsavers, the football club was the only thing I really loved about the city and thats been ruined too over the last couple of years, shame.

I'm sorry to say but that is why Coventry struggles to succeed and emphasises how Coventrians reap what they sow !

Deleted member 5849 · May 31, 2015

While I can buy most of it... what benefits do you get going to the cinema in Brum rather than Cov?!?

There's always the Warwick Arts Centre if your tastes are obscure, and the Showcase shows all the boom-a-bang-bang type things.

Grendel · May 31, 2015

Ashdown said:
I'm sorry to say but that is why Coventry struggles to succeed and emphasises how Coventrians reap what they sow !

Not really as for once I agree with him. The experience is better in the towns he listed.

Kenilworth is tiny and has more quality and variety of eating establishments than Coventry could dream of.

pusbccfc · May 31, 2015

Was in Coventry yesterday for the Motofest and the city was thriving. Saw a number of different football shirts (which is often a good indication of where people are from). All the pubs were busy and the newly changed Friargate looked more than decent.

Attracting places like Wagamamas in big, now they have decided to open a store in the city, other similar chains will also look to do so.

For me the best thing we could do is improve the area around the station ASAP. I am glad they have done the first bit quickly, but more needs to be done directly outside the station. Most cities and towns I go to for the football have a relatively thriving area outside the station with pubs and bars where people visit once hopping off the train. I know our station is at a disadvantage being located slightly outside the city centre, but there is room there, something we don't have inside the ring road.

pusbccfc · May 31, 2015

Grendel said:
Not really as for once I agree with him. The experience is better in the towns he listed.

Kenilworth is tiny and has more quality and variety of eating establishments than Coventry could dream of.

Yeah, but you pay the price for that, Kenilworth is far more expensive to eat and drink than Coventry.

Tad · May 31, 2015

It's not that much more expensive. Plus, if it means avoiding idiots, it's a price worth paying.

Deleted member 5849 · May 31, 2015

pusbccfc said:
Saw a number of different football shirts (which is often a good indication of where people are from).

...usually Coventry!

Grendel · May 31, 2015

pusbccfc said:
Yeah, but you pay the price for that, Kenilworth is far more expensive to eat and drink than Coventry.

I wonder why - anyway eating wise I wouldn't think there is a massive difference. There is a good range of restaurants including a couple of known chains where the pricing is fixed. Atmosphere is pleasant and relaxed.

Ashdown · May 31, 2015

pusbccfc said:
Was in Coventry yesterday for the Motofest and the city was thriving. Saw a number of different football shirts (which is often a good indication of where people are from). All the pubs were busy and the newly changed Friargate looked more than decent.

Attracting places like Wagamamas in big, now they have decided to open a store in the city, other similar chains will also look to do so.

What's happening with the Rocket these days, that was first port of call before all City's trips to the West Mids in the old days ! Pubs mostly have to do food now though to survive and a decent offering at that. That area may make some decent money now with the train stop encouraging visitors to eat and drank around the main train station before hopping on the shuttles to the Ricoh.

For me the best thing we could do is improve the area around the station ASAP. I am glad they have done the first bit quickly, but more needs to be done directly outside the station. Most cities and towns I go to for the football have a relatively thriving area outside the station with pubs and bars where people visit once hopping off the train. I know our station is at a disadvantage being located slightly outside the city centre, but there is room there, something we don't have inside the ring road.

Ashdown · May 31, 2015

Grendel said:
I wonder why - anyway eating wise I wouldn't think there is a massive difference. There is a good range of restaurants including a couple of known chains where the pricing is fixed. Atmosphere is pleasant and relaxed.

Took the wife to Aqua { Lebanese } the other week, absolutely delightful little gem close to the BPA. Decent enough pub next door { The Aardvark } for a couple of pre dinner drinks. Will be back soon.

pusbccfc · May 31, 2015

Tad said:
It's not that much more expensive. Plus, if it means avoiding idiots, it's a price worth paying.

There are plenty of idiots in both Kenilworth and definitely Leamington.

pusbccfc · May 31, 2015

Ashdown said:
Took the wife to Aqua { Lebanese } the other week, absolutely delightful little gem close to the BPA. Decent enough pub next door { The Aardvark } for a couple of pre dinner drinks. Will be back soon.

Aardvark is a decent pub, which is soon to be changing from a student type pub to a more mature venue with live music.

The prices are brilliant, £2.15 for a pint!

kdrinkell · May 31, 2015

pusbccfc said:
There are plenty of idiots in both Kenilworth and definitely Leamington.

The problem with Leamo,Kenilworth and Warwick is that the people think their shit doesn't stink.
At least in Coventry we know we aren't perfect but get on with it.

I_Saw_Shaw_Score · May 31, 2015

Grendel said:
Not really as for once I agree with him. The experience is better in the towns he listed.

Kenilworth is tiny and has more quality and variety of eating establishments than Coventry could dream of.

Plus 'Subways' in Kenilworth have the sweetcorn option for sandwiches unlike Coventry! Life's priorities man!

Tad · May 31, 2015

pusbccfc said:
There are plenty of idiots in both Kenilworth and definitely Leamington.

Indeed, but put that with what little Cov has to offer and it's no surprise people go elsewhere.

Noggin · May 31, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
While I can buy most of it... what benefits do you get going to the cinema in Brum rather than Cov?!?

There's always the Warwick Arts Centre if your tastes are obscure, and the Showcase shows all the boom-a-bang-bang type things.

Birmingham have an imax, the giant screen at millennium point and the odeon isence with dolby atmos, all 3 are an order of magnitude better than showcase which I live less than 5 minutes from. I've written to showcase and odeon (both e-mail and posts on facebook) asking them to put in one of their premium screens in Coventry but neither replied. Since I'm in a wheelchair so home the vast majority of the time (and because I'm a geek) we spent a fair bit on our tv and sound system and so for the most part I'd prefer to watch a movie at home than at the showcase especially as the last twice I went there (years ago now) it was spoiled by kids acting out. The premium screens don't seem to have that issue (or perhaps I've just been very lucky). I prefer the 30 minute drive to watch a movie at one of those 3 screens and to have better places to eat before or after than the convenience of watching in Coventry. But no my tastes arn't obscure for the most part I'm a popcorn movie kinda guy.

Ashdown said:
I'm sorry to say but that is why Coventry struggles to succeed and emphasises how Coventrians reap what they sow !

I spent 20+ years only doing those things in Coventry, I'd much prefer to not to have to drive 20 minutes for great food at the pub/restaurant, 30 minutes for the cinema or shopping but if the options aren't here it's foolish not to go where they are. My wifes family take us to amazing places that we couldn't afford the least we can do when we take them out is find a nice place. Most the places we eat still have Coventry post codes. But as 1 person in a city of hundreds of thousands I have no desire to try and change things by spending my money here, my life is way to short not to go and do what makes us happy.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jun 2, 2015

ccfctommy said:
Nice to see a thread which isn't slating Cov for a change.

Making Broadgate a square and making more green spaces was a fantastic idea.

Hang on ! It's absolutely shocking. What the Luftwaffe didn't destroy the planners subsequently did. Nothing is done on a big enough scale and looks small-town thinking. Cathedral Lanes for one, West Orchards another. Both together a fraction of the Bullring. Upper precinct needs knocking down, its out of date and depressing . The outdoor escalator is an insult to the people of Coventry - the Burges is bloody awful when it should be a showpiece . What on earth is Hertford street actually for ? The bus station - what the hell are those pillars about ?
Restaurant "quarter" at Cathedral Lanes ? No one will bother. Bulldoze the place.

Having said this it's better than 20 years ago but its best to flatten everything bar the cathedral and start again. It's crap.

Macca · Jun 4, 2015

kdrinkell said:
The problem with Leamo,Kenilworth and Warwick is that the people think their shit doesn't stink.
At least in Coventry we know we aren't perfect but get on with it.[/QUOTE

The real areas of all 3 are no different to Coventry if you are trying to infer they are stuck up

Otis · Jun 4, 2015

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Hang on ! It's absolutely shocking. What the Luftwaffe didn't destroy the planners subsequently did. Nothing is done on a big enough scale and looks small-town thinking. Cathedral Lanes for one, West Orchards another. Both together a fraction of the Bullring. Upper precinct needs knocking down, its out of date and depressing . The outdoor escalator is an insult to the people of Coventry - the Burges is bloody awful when it should be a showpiece . What on earth is Hertford street actually for ? The bus station - what the hell are those pillars about ?
Restaurant "quarter" at Cathedral Lanes ? No one will bother. Bulldoze the place.

Having said this it's better than 20 years ago but its best to flatten everything bar the cathedral and start again. It's crap.

Sorry ADM, but this is Coventry folk all over. Dissing the Cathedral Lanes restaurant idea before it's even been built.

I think it may well work really well. They are putting balconies in and glass windows, so you will have an elevated view over Broadgate.

There are to be 3 restaurants in place there, with maybe more to come. If Cathedral Lanes is to remain in place, then I think this is a welcome addition to our city.

I agree the outdoor escalator needs to go and Hertford Street needs a revamp, it having used to be the premier shopping street in Coventry in its day.

Wouldn't take much at all to make the Burges great again. I see it as having the potential for being like a Carnaby Street, what with Kong and Carhartt there. If they just moved the likes of Gladrags and Blue Banana there they would be on to something.

Houchens Head · Jun 4, 2015

Just got back home to IOW after visiting family for a few days in Cov. I have to say, I couldn't wait to get out! What a depressing place! Driving through, it was like something out of Mad Max! It will always be my home City, and will always hold a place in my heart, but I am so glad to be out of it. Bye bye Cov. I won't be returning unless I really have to!

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