Who selected and appointed the coaching staff ? (1 Viewer)

[shmmeee]

But that’s the same. She’s designing the profile of the players we’re signing.

short term she’s about the long term development of the players. And even then from her words it’s the fitness aspect and sports science aspect

it still doesn’t show she’s responsible for the day to day performances of players or whether Bobby Thomas can pass 10 yards

her involvement won’t be measured for another 5 years

It literally says she’s there to optimise player performance. It’s a weird hill you’re willing to die on. Her name is performance director. She says in interviews she’s responsible for player performance. But you reckon she’s actually director of football and just playing a prank on us?

 

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[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

It literally says she’s there to optimise player performance. It’s a weird hill you’re willing to die on. Her name is performance director. She says in interviews she’s responsible for player performance. But you reckon she’s actually director of football and just playing a prank on us?

Player performance in terms of fitness, hence “ applying sports science to everything from injury prevention to strength and conditioning to nutrition”

her other role is the psychological profile of signings.

The director of football is Dean Austin, but he’s likely to be more involved with recruitment strategy.

We know these players are talented. It’s up to robins to pick 11 of them to go out there and be a team.

 

[shmmeee]

Player performance in terms of fitness, hence “ applying sports science to everything from injury prevention to strength and conditioning to nutrition”

her other role is the psychological profile of signings.

The director of football is Dean Austin, but he’s likely to be more involved with recruitment strategy.

We know these players are talented. It’s up to robins to pick 11 of them to go out there and be a team.

It doesn’t matter which 11 you pick when they’re all unfit and unmotivated.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

It doesn’t matter which 11 you pick when they’re all unfit and unmotivated.

Yeah and that’s a Robins issue

 

[clint van damme]

Basically you’re refusing to acknowledge that Robins is ballsing up.

he’s directly quoted as being involved in the interview and selection process, he’s talked about putting in place a structure used by the elite sides.

Ultimately he’s got the tools to succeed and unlike last year he hasn’t got the excuse of a new squad and dug up training ground to mitigate the poor start to the season.

I'm not refusing to acknowledge it at all.
But I'm trying to ascertain how much he was involved in the new structure.
The fact he's quoted as saying this or that doesn't mean a lot as far as I'm concerned, football people say all sorts of bollocks in the media.

But even if it was established that the coaching structure and recruitment was 100% down to Robins I'd still say he deserves a lot longer than 7 games to put things right

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Robins has said he’s involved in the decision making on the coaches.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Don’t understand why people think DK has just changed everything off his own back without seeking advice from anyone at the club? He’s openly said he doesn’t remember the last time we watched a football match, it appears he didnt have much interest in the past. Believe me, DK would have planned this with stakeholders at the club, he’s not just gonna sign 4 coaches or whatever without seeking approval from the manager.

DK has been badly advised and let down by figures at the club. What he has done is given the manager and recruitment 45 million. It was down to them to recruit wisely, I don’t understand why people think DK has chosen the players we signed, again he’s not a football man, he’s relying on the recruitment team and manager to come to a decision. DK would have sought approval from stakeholders again to recruit the coaching staff.

DK has probably said no to any further signings, in particular a loan. Again, he’s been badly advised and let down by whoever’s recruited the new signings. I don’t blame DK for saying no more, why would you give any more money for them to spend after 45 million has seemingly been wasted? This whole story about him only signing players with a sell on value is made up rubbish.

You couldn't be more wrong

I've said on here a few times Doug does what he wants when he wants. He runs the club like his other business's despite being told by people at the club that won't work for a football club.

Why do you think we've had so many U turns from him? Because Doug knows best and ignores those who advise him otherwise.

 

[Matt smith]

We’ll be in league one before we’re back in the premier league.

At least all these league one players who haven’t made the step up would have no excuses

 

[BlueSkiesForever]

But Robins gets the credit for the staff he assembles around him.
I'm still sceptical about his involvement in the new set up regardless of what he says in interviews. I might be wrong, it's a hunch and nothing else but somethings not right...

I agree with you Clint, I’m still very sceptical about how involved Robins was in setting up the coaching staff and back room staff in general. I’m sure if you asked him Robins would say “it’s all been approved by me” but whether he wanted it or whether it suits his style of management is a different thing.

I know Doug wants the club run like a professional business but the training/managing side of it is very different and I just have a hunch that the way Doug is operating atm is contrary to the way Robins likes things run. If Doug is set to stay then clearly things will have to be his way and if Robins can’t operate under those circumstances then unfortunately he’ll be the one that has to go. I personally think we should give it until Christmas and see where we are, if we’re still near the relegation zone then I think unfortunately we really should look for a new manager.

 

[CovValleyBoy]

We're so shit it's unbelievable.

We used to sing that with real enthusiasm. Didn't we ?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Well this is what Im trying to establish. If he was, then yes, its on him, but Im sceptical.

It won't have been him

 

[fernandopartridge]

I'm talking about direct quotes from him?

He's hardly going to come out publicly and slag off the coaching team

 

[fernandopartridge]

One win in thirteen and six points from 39 for a previously successful team is a very sudden dip in form.
It suggests something significant change has occurred.
The only change I can see during that period is to the coaching staff.

The form fell off a cliff at the end of the season while Viveash was still here

 

[Saddlebrains]

Robins wasn't the main force behind the new coaching set up

 

[fernandopartridge]

But that’s the same. She’s designing the profile of the players we’re signing.

short term she’s about the long term development of the players. And even then from her words it’s the fitness aspect and sports science aspect

it still doesn’t show she’s responsible for the day to day performances of players or whether Bobby Thomas can pass 10 yards

her involvement won’t be measured for another 5 years

Your last paragraph is utterly nonsensical

 

[shmmeee]

The form fell off a cliff at the end of the season while Viveash was still here

This team was weak minded at the best of times. Rather than looking at it as form falling off probably more accurate to say we had a purple patch mid season.

We could have survived ripping up the coaching staff if we had leadership on the pitch. And we just about survived ripping up the leadership on the pitch last season thanks to the coaching staff.

But you can’t get rid of both.

 

[fernandopartridge]

It doesn’t matter which 11 you pick when they’re all unfit and unmotivated.

Indeed, and you can't decouple all of these elements. The only people who would have you believe you can are management consultant types.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

The form fell off a cliff at the end of the season while Viveash was still here

The Robins/Viveash/Lawrence team got more things right than wrong though.

 

[Sick Boy]

Robins wasn't the main force behind the new coaching set up

King isn’t going to u-turn on that so Robins will need to make it work if he’s to keep his job.

 

[Grendel]

I mean that’s just not true. From the horses mouth:

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That’s not the same as scouting players and watching you tube videos

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The one coach who has stayed all the way through is Aled Williams who seemingly can’t coach goalkeepers yet has been given extra responsibility.

Better off asking Oggy very nicely to do it for a few months.

 

[Cov4life]

You couldn't be more wrong

I've said on here a few times Doug does what he wants when he wants. He runs the club like his other business's despite being told by people at the club that won't work for a football club.

Why do you think we've had so many U turns from him? Because Doug knows best and ignores those who advise him otherwise.

Agreed he probably does do what he wants on the commercial side, as we’re seeing lots of u-turns

But Saddle cmon, to think Doug is like some sort of Barry Fry coming in and dictating the players side is ridiculous

 

[Saddlebrains]

Agreed he probably does do what he wants on the commercial side, as we’re seeing lots of u-turns

But Saddle cmon, to think Doug is like some sort of Barry Fry coming in and dictating the players side is ridiculous

Never said anything about the playing side mate.

The coaching however.

To clear it up, Robins understood Adi had to go after what happened. That was done with Robins blessing.

Robins wanted another No2, it's how it works best for him with a tight knit team.

Claire Roberts and Doug in their infinite (non existent) football wisdom felt otherwise and went with the approach were seeing now. Once it's been put in place it can't be dismantled with how much it's cost

Hence my past comments of Doug giving Robins just enough rope to hang himself. Whether intentional from Doug or not

 

[shmmeee]

Read something the other day that said the second best parenting style was incompetence married with laziness. The best is a parent who knows what they’re doing and is active in your life. The worst is a parent who knows what to do but can’t be arsed to do it. But if the parent is incompetent better they stay out the way than helicopter.

Doug is an incompetent helicopter parent.

 

[clint van damme]

Read something the other day that said the second best parenting style was incompetence married with laziness. The best is a parent who knows what they’re doing and is active in your life. The worst is a parent who knows what to do but can’t be arsed to do it. But if the parent is incompetent better they stay out the way than helicopter.

Doug is an incompetent helicopter parent.

But how many of those parents have got their own song?!

 

[shmmeee]

Remember when we were glad Mike Ashley didn’t want us because he’s too involved and would fuck up the good thing we had going on?

 

[Cally Fedora]

It’s beyond doubt that something is amiss behind the scenes. Doug/coaching/backroom probably all contributing. Tactics are largely a myth. The skill of a management group is to create an esprit de corp, an atmosphere of winning and a feel good factor that transmits to the pitch. It was best done here with the Sillett/Curtis combo. It’s not happening at the moment. The tactics can be perfect. But if players don’t want to play they won’t work.

 

[nicksar]

Never said anything about the playing side mate.

The coaching however.

To clear it up, Robins understood Adi had to go after what happened. That was done with Robins blessing.

Robins wanted another No2, it's how it works best for him with a tight knit team.

Claire Roberts and Doug in their infinite (non existent) football wisdom felt otherwise and went with the approach were seeing now. Once it's been put in place it can't be dismantled with how much it's cost

Hence my past comments of Doug giving Robins just enough rope to hang himself. Whether intentional from Doug or not

Prior to joining us Clair Roberts was head of elite development for the premiere league for nine years ,her role was to assist clubs in developing "home grown players".
Doug King may have very limited football knowledge/wisdom but I think it's unfair to attach that label to her tbh.
As far as I'm aware Mark Robins actually does have two number two's Mark Delaney & John Dempster are the "senior coaches" out of the team of five.And Mark Robins was very much part of the process of appointing them

 

[chiefdave]

Prior to joining us Clair Roberts was head of elite development for the premiere league for nine years ,her role was to assist clubs in developing "home grown players".

when she came in people in the wider football community who were familiar with her and her work were saying this was an amazing bit of work by the club to land someone like that.

there's undoubtedly something not right but I think people are looking for easy answers or a 'its that persons fault' and I'm not sure its as simple as that.

 

[Nick]

when she came in people in the wider football community who were familiar with her and her work were saying this was an amazing bit of work by the club to land someone like that.

there's undoubtedly something not right but I think people are looking for easy answers or a 'its that persons fault' and I'm not sure its as simple as that.

Its because people can't process that robins can be at fault so it's everybody else.

No doubt when good things happen it's all him, when it's bad it's everybody else.

Now it's the coaching to blame, maybe we are seeing that robins isn't that much of a great manager but his coaches were great?

Can't have it both ways.

 

[clint van damme]

Its because people can't process that robins can be at fault so it's everybody else.

No doubt when good things happen it's all him, when it's bad it's everybody else.

Now it's the coaching to blame, maybe we are seeing that robins isn't that much of a great manager but his coaches were great?

Can't have it both ways.

The difficulty you're having understanding the points people have made is amazing to be honest.

 

[Nick]

The difficulty you're having understanding the points people have made is amazing to be honest.

Because those points switch and change when it goes from success or failure.

Success = all robins
Failure = anybody but robins

Robins "they impressed us during the recruitment process"

Fans "he's lying he wasn't involved"

 

[clint van damme]

Because those points switch and change when it goes from success or failure.

Success = all robins
Failure = anybody but robins

Robins "they impressed us during the recruitment process"

Fans "he's lying he wasn't involved"

It's simple.

If Robins implements the coaching structure it's success or failure is on him.
If he doesn't then whoever did needs to take a good chunk of responsibility for how it works out.

If you think a quote in the CET is proof that he did, then fair enough.
I'm going with Saddlebrains on this one.

 

[Nick]

It's simple.

If Robins implements the coaching structure it's success or failure is on him.
If he doesn't then whoever did needs to take a good chunk of responsibility for how it works out.

If you think a quote in the CET is proof that he did, then fair enough.
I'm going with Saddlebrains on this one.

It wasn't a quote in the cet.

The point I'm making is that how all of the shit is due to the coaches and who hired them and not robins.

Yet success is robins is our king...

Its random to try so hard to go through recruitment processes he says he was involved in to try and absolve him of any blame of what's happening on the pitch.

Get joy back.

 

[clint van damme]

It wasn't a quote in the cet.

The point I'm making is that how all of the shit is due to the coaches and who hired them and not robins.

Yet success is robins is our king...

Its random to try so hard to go through recruitment processes he says he was involved in to try and absolve him of any blame of what's happening on the pitch.

Get joy back.

But again, what else is he going to say when asked? Of course he's going to say something positive.

And as for no criticism of Robins, he's getting loads, especially for dropping Dovin. But there's a huge difference between criticising and wanting him gone after 7 games of a new season, especially as we've more often than not been slow starters.

As for you last line, that's a ridiculous comment, get joy back!

Do you respond to people criticising Wilson by saying get burge back?!