Whoes the gay boy in the pink? (1 Viewer)

[clint van damme]

Remember being at Preston maybe 7/8 years ago and a couple of builders were sat in their half built stand to the left - they got "gayboy" abuse all game and no-one batted an eyelid. Not saying it's right, but just shows how much the game has moved on when a 15-second chant from a minority is now topic for debate.

Personally, I think we're entering dangerous territory if everyone starts throwing a wobbly and taking offence about chants such as this - does this mean we cannot now mock stereotypes for any players/supporters? No more "fat bastard" chants? Cannot call the Welsh "sheep shaggers"? Leicester fans "inbreds"? I could go on. People need to lighten up.

the difference is, when you're aiming sheep shagger chants Welsh support it's a general chant at a whole end of people and no one in particular. Chant such as racist chants are aimed at a small and specific number of people.

 

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[Liquid Gold]

If your life is made markedly worse by the inability to call someone a sheep shagger then you need to have a look at yourself.

 

[ajsccfc]

While you can never eliminate these things entirely, I'd disagree that homophobic chanting will always be part of the game. The fact it stands out enough to warrant a thread is testament to how attitudes are changing.

 

[superskyblue]

While you can never eliminate these things entirely, I'd disagree that homophobic chanting will always be part of the game. The fact it stands out enough to warrant a thread is testament to how attitudes are changing.

Agreed. It would be shameful to passively accept that homophobic chants will always exist.

The only way to progress is to highlight chants like this every time they're sung and to shame those who are singing them.

 

[richnrg]

... Professional footballs are having to hide their true identity because of the fear of abuse and this sort of thing is the reason why.

What are they doing - disguising themselves as professional volleyballs?

 

[matesx]

Agreed. It would be shameful to passively accept that homophobic chants will always exist.

The only way to progress is to highlight chants like this every time they're sung and to shame those who are singing them.

shame them?

they wont give a fuck

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Nice to see some casual homophobia is 'just a bit of fun' and 'no big deal'.

I'd say derogatory homophobic chanting is a big deal. You'd have probably claimed that throwing bananas at black players was no big deal as well though.

Some of the Gay people around that heard might have found it a big deal though

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Perhaps some people who were gay might have got upset about it. I personally think it's low, but it isn't particularly viscous. In reality it's a bunch of twats who haven't grown up, and some spotty chavs just making some moronic comments.

The last time I heard that at a game I was in a group of 10, 2 of which were gay, and they both joined in and started singing it. I found that quite funny. I also think nearly all the gay people I know would have been anything other than bothered about it, not that it makes it ok. It's more a case of blowing things out of proportion as I know some people on here would want the culprits thrown in jail. I'd say the best remedy is education. Give the pricks a night out with my mates, they'd soon realise there's nothing wrong with being gay.

To infer that joking about the colour of someone's shirt and their sexuality is akin to throwing bananas at black people is also just ridiculous, and embarrassing.

Some of your faux-outrage and virtue signalling is really quite patronising actually.

 

[superskyblue]

shame them?

they wont give a fuck

I'm not sure that's true. There are a hardcore of homophobic pricks who'll do it regardless but those who just join in because it's what everybody else is doing will soon stop if the common consensus becomes that we don't accept homophobic chants at football.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

(Clears throat) we've got (clap clap) Stuart Beavon (repeat x 3 or 4 times)
Then a load of mumbled words. No idea what they're saying but pretty sure it makes no sense.

And don't get me started on the one where they all jump up and down after a few 'woah's' and claps. You know the one right?

Here in lies the problem with the atmosphere away from home and at the Ricoh, the Younger fans are wanting to try new things to try and get an atmosphere going in the souless bowl of the Ricoh and away from home, but it's constantly criticised and usually by the older generation of supporters (no offence).

Yes not everything that the Sky Blue Army comes up with is a masterpiece, but when no one gives anything new a chance it'll never catch on, then it goes the other way, people moan if the same songs get sung to death.

The Stuart Beavon song is;

He plays as a striker
For Coventry City
Brought to the Ricoh
In January

Cos we've got
Stuart Beavon we've got
Stuart Beavon we've got
Stuart Beavon so glad your mine.

I also know the second one you refer to, it was first done by a visiting side a couple of seasons back (Burton I think) and they made it work well, basically what is supposed to happen is when everyone is singing Woah, everyone is supposed to be sat down, then when people start clapping its when people are supposed to be jumping up and down, so that it makes the support look like it's bouncing, the only issue with this is it only tends to work well enough with the drum, but I've not been permitted to bring the drum to as many games on the road as I would of liked so far this season, therefore it's difficult.

Fans will never agree (sadly), but while I appreciate that the atmosphere on the road has always been pretty decent, the younger generation are always going to want to try something new and different.

 

[Sick Boy]

Perhaps some people who were gay might have got upset about it. I personally think it's low, but it isn't particularly viscous. In reality it's a bunch of twats who haven't grown up, and some spotty chavs just making some moronic comments.

The last time I heard that at a game I was in a group of 10, 2 of which were gay, and they both joined in and started singing it. I found that quite funny. I also think nearly all the gay people I know would have been anything other than bothered about it, not that it makes it ok. It's more a case of blowing things out of proportion as I know some people on here would want the culprits thrown in jail. I'd say the best remedy is education. Give the pricks a night out with my mates, they'd soon realise there's nothing wrong with being gay.

To infer that joking about the colour of someone's shirt and their sexuality is akin to throwing bananas at black people is also just ridiculous, and embarrassing.

Some of your faux-outrage and virtue signalling is really quite patronising actually.

I'm not surprised you're trying to stigmatise empathy through accusing others of virtue signalling. There clearly are gay people who are uncomfortable with the chanting, including a poster on this thread.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Re the OP, 20 years ago you would have got away with this kind of chant, nowadays in this day and age you can't really sing something like that due to the public pressure to eradicate these types of concerns.

Times change as does society and therefore it's not really acceptable (in my view).

If I see a GK wearing a shocking coloured kit (Chesterfield for example) I try to come up with something less incriminating and humourous, so I called the keeper Barney the Dinosaur, I even sang Barney's rhyme to him, but it's all banter, he even applauded the City fans at the end of the game, so you can tell it wasn't taken to heart, fans need to be more inventive in that sense.

 

[matesx]

Barneys rhyme?

wtf? are you 7?

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Barneys rhyme?

wtf? are you 7?

It's called B-A-N-T-E-R after all what else do you see that is 6ft tall and dressed completely in Purple? :smug:

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

Re the OP, 20 years ago you would have got away with this kind of chant, nowadays in this day and age you can't really sing something like that due to the public pressure to eradicate these types of concerns.

Times change as does society and therefore it's not really acceptable (in my view).

If I see a GK wearing a shocking coloured kit (Chesterfield for example) I try to come up with something less incriminating and humourous, so I called the keeper Barney the Dinosaur, I even sang Barney's rhyme to him, but it's all banter, he even applauded the City fans at the end of the game, so you can tell it wasn't taken to heart, fans need to be more inventive in that sense.

You've just proven my next point that that's barely any good jokes to come out of mocking the opposition's kit!

You are right, time does move on. Recently there was an issue with England fans making nazi gestures and doing the basil fawlty to Germany fans in Dortmund. Fans said it's fine because it's banter, the FA said time moves on from the days of basil fawlty and it is now a crime to sing about or make these gestures. If people can't accept it, then they should be prepared to be banned for doing it.

 

[Nick]

It's called B-A-N-T-E-R after all what else do you see that is 6ft tall and dressed completely in Purple? :smug:

Somebody in a purple kit

 

[RoboCCFC90]

You've just proven my next point that that's barely any good jokes to come out of mocking the opposition's kit!

You are right, time does move on. Recently there was an issue with England fans making nazi gestures and doing the basil fawlty to Germany fans in Dortmund. Fans said it's fine because it's banter, the FA said time moves on from the days of basil fawlty and it is now a crime to sing about or make these gestures. If people can't accept it, then they should be prepared to be banned for doing it.

"Barely..." does that mean Barney squeezes in as acceptable???

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Perhaps some people who were gay might have got upset about it. I personally think it's low, but it isn't particularly viscous. In reality it's a bunch of twats who haven't grown up, and some spotty chavs just making some moronic comments.

The last time I heard that at a game I was in a group of 10, 2 of which were gay, and they both joined in and started singing it. I found that quite funny. I also think nearly all the gay people I know would have been anything other than bothered about it, not that it makes it ok. It's more a case of blowing things out of proportion as I know some people on here would want the culprits thrown in jail. I'd say the best remedy is education. Give the pricks a night out with my mates, they'd soon realise there's nothing wrong with being gay.

To infer that joking about the colour of someone's shirt and their sexuality is akin to throwing bananas at black people is also just ridiculous, and embarrassing.

Some of your faux-outrage and virtue signalling is really quite patronising actually.

Well...I personally haven't any of that faux-outrage you mention.

And given your insight, if I see said tw**s/spotty chavs dissecting your car after a game I'll just let them get on with it. They will grow up eventually.


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[SkyblueBazza]

I'm not surprised you're trying to stigmatise empathy through accusing others of virtue signalling. There clearly are gay people who are uncomfortable with the chanting, including a poster on this thread.

Imo - it does have a conotation that sends a message gay people that they are both some lower form of life & are a reasonable target for ridicule/bullying behaviour

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[SkyblueBazza]

It's called B-A-N-T-E-R after all what else do you see that is 6ft tall and dressed completely in Purple? :smug:

I thought banter was a 2-way thing? This was a group of people targeting an individual to mock/abuse. I think that's called bullying

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[RoboCCFC90]

I thought banter was a 2-way thing? This was a group of people targeting an individual to mock/abuse. I think that's called bullying

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If you're referring to the hompophobic chanting then I am inclined to agree, but if you're referring to my original quote then I disagree, the keeper (Richard Lee - I think?) was quite receptive to it and as I said applauded the City fans after the game.

I've done this several times before and it's never been a problem, I even got a laugh out of Scott Flinders and Owain-Fon Williams!

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Well...I personally haven't any of that faux-outrage you mention.

And given your insight, if I see said tw**s/spotty chavs dissecting your car after a game I'll just let them get on with it. They will grow up eventually.


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My comments weren't so much aimed at you from there to be honest. However now you've prompted me, criminal damage is not really on par with calling someone gay for wearing a pink shirt.

You'll grow up eventually.

 

[Otis]

Let's not get carried away here, it was quite mild abuse. That doesn't make it acceptable though.

 

[chiefdave]

Perhaps some people who were gay might have got upset about it.

I'm certain there would be some who found it hilarious doesn't mean that others would and that's it an OK thing to do.

 

[Malaka]

If you said that to my face, my boyfriend would slap you and I'd give you a good fisting!

Tell me where you live Fatso? I will be around to sat it to your face. I will be wearing a gimp suit

 

[letsallsingtogether]

I'm not sure that's true. There are a hardcore of homophobic pricks who'll do it regardless but those who just join in because it's what everybody else is doing will soon stop if the common consensus becomes that we don't accept homophobic chants at football.

Thing is I bet none of them post or even read the threads on here.

 

[Otis]

Tell me where you live Fatso? I will be around to sat it to your face. I will be wearing a gimp suit

Sat it to your face? Was that deliberate?

 

[Malaka]

Sat it to your face? Was that deliberate?

I meant say

 

[fatso]

I meant say

Thank fook for that!

 

[shmmeee]

If your life is made markedly worse by the inability to call someone a sheep shagger then you need to have a look at yourself.

But I’m Chief Sheep Sexual Exploitation Prevention Officer!

 

[vow]

Take your watch off first

You got the time? I've got the place!

 

[Liquid Gold]

But I’m Chief Sheep Sexual Exploitation Prevention Officer!

Ewe can do better than that.

 

[shmmeee]

Ewe can do better than that.

It was pretty baaaaad

 

[Hobo]

If your life is made markedly worse by the inability to call someone a sheep shagger then you need to have a look at yourself.

The people chanting this stuff are the sheep.

 

[Liquid Gold]

The people chanting this stuff are the sheep.

They should be baaaared

 

[Houchens Head]

What would you have expected them to actually do???

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Try singing it at a match these days, you'd get slung out. Duh!