fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
Keep clutching at those straws
Sisu took CCFC away for their own financial gain. Wasps bought themselves to the Ricoh for the sake of the team.
I just walk up the Ricoh to watch top class sport.
I'll leave all the chest beating to you.
"Did you have to look up franchising or is it your lifetimes work ? "
Sisu took CCFC away for their own financial gain. Wasps bought themselves to the Ricoh for the sake of the team.
I just walk up the Ricoh to watch top class sport.
I'll leave all the chest beating to you.
"Did you have to look up franchising or is it your lifetimes work ? "
Might have known you'd pop up.
At the risk of being a stuck record, I cannot yet understand how anybody can condone a sporting club being moved for financial reasons. Why would it be in any way appropriate to tie colours to the mast of an entity who shows themselves to have little regard for space, place, heritage, and identity? If it thus suited them to move CCFC for financial reasons, they would do so.
And if we condone Wasps doing it, then we condone CCFC doing it further down the line.
But this is a stuck record.
Sisu took CCFC away for their own financial gain. Wasps bought themselves to the Ricoh for the sake of the team.
I just walk up the Ricoh to watch top class sport.
I'll leave all the chest beating to you.
"Did you have to look up franchising or is it your lifetimes work ? "
Might have known you'd pop up.
At the risk of being a stuck record, I cannot yet understand how anybody can condone a sporting club being moved for financial reasons. Why would it be in any way appropriate to tie colours to the mast of an entity who shows themselves to have little regard for space, place, heritage, and identity? If it thus suited them to move CCFC for financial reasons, they would do so.
And if we condone Wasps doing it, then we condone CCFC doing it further down the line.
But this is a stuck record.
it's been part of their history since day one pretty much.
Two things strike me in this thread.
First of all, Wasps existence has no detrimental affect on Ccfc whatsoever. They are not responsible for anything that is wrong with the football club.
Secondly, many Wasps fans seem to support the move (possibly a majority?), what right have we got to tell them what is right and wrong for their rugby club? If they are happy with their club franchising, what business is that of ours?
It's not about condoning it, it's been part of their history since day one pretty much. Fucking faux outrage.
Secondly, many Wasps fans seem to support the move (possibly a majority?), what right have we got to tell them what is right and wrong for their rugby club? If they are happy with their club franchising, what business is that of ours?
Yep that 73 year stay in Sudbury until their next move was a short stay, in fact the well over 100 year stay in North London was over in shot before they moved to Wycombe and then Coventry. Where next?
Hand wringing and fucking faux outrage indeed.
First of all, Wasps existence has no detrimental affect on Ccfc whatsoever.
Absolute bollocks.
They came to the Ricoh for financial reasons, pure and simple.
How anybody can claim otherwise is nonsense.
Slightly patronising really, and makes you look slightly clueless.
It's all about finance.
The point I'm making and you totally missed is that Sisu did it for their own gain whilst Wasps are doing it for the teams gain.
No they are doing it for financial gain - as with sisu their ownership trail is murky and it's debt ridden murk as well.
No they are doing it for financial gain - as with sisu their ownership trail is murky and it's debt ridden murk as well.
As I said ?
No you said they are doing it for the team - they are not. No one knows the motivation and if they see an opportunity to profit in two years could very easily move again.
Really ? Can you furnish us with the murky facts before your stopped from telling us for legal reasons.
No you said they are doing it for the team - they are not. No one knows the motivation and if they see an opportunity to profit in two years could very easily move again.
After all, 'doing it for the team' had a stated aim of moving back to London, to their roots.
Would I trust an entity who backtracked on such a public proclamation quite so rapidly? Not really.
It's a bit like Tim Fisher coming out and saying he loves the club, isn't it. In fact, his new ground is probably more upfront about it all, given he consistently rules out Coventry as a place for it(!)
No, thats doing it for the fans.
They have already said that the team will now be only one of three in the UK that will be in profit.
Sis played for the Ricoh (and lost) solely to get the Ricoh for themselves.
As you are someone who likes to ask other posters for proof, I would like to ask where I could see evidence of this mass of wasps supporters support for the move? I am yet to be convinced so would welcome you showing me where all this evidence is so I can get a more balanced assessment.
What high profile protests were there?
I have no evidence, hence why I put a ? next to my comment.
Do you have evidence a majority were against it? What high profile protests were there?
It's known that the company has negative value of £14.25 million.
It's known wasps holdings is owned by Camango which has one share issued to Derek Richardson
It's known Camango has a parent company called moonstone limited which seems to have a company number not recognised by companies house. Therefore it's likely to be a Florida based investment portfolio company which has subsidiaries in Malta and Jersey.
Given that you constantly bleat haft CCFC will never own the Ricoh why are you happy wasps don't own it but comango (or is it moonstone) do? Who are moonstone and what is their interest? Why has the holding company got such a negative worth?
Didn't SISU say we were debt free?
ADVICE : Take what TF tells you with a pinch of salt
It was actually Ray Ranson...
The point being, not to denegrate those there, but rather to suggest a Rugby club that had gates of 1,000 in Sudbury, and was then moved outside the boundary anyway, was probably onto a loser for marshalling what is a geographically dispersed bunch of fans. If, however, we're saying little attendance shows nobody cares about a decision, then we're on shaky ground with many of our own protests.
It's irrelevant what the history of losses is , if the aim for the future is to keep your team at the top based on income from their investment in the Ricoh.
I understand the situation about Moonshine etc but I asked you to explain the 'murky' past.
When I bleat about CCFC owning the Ricoh I am just telling the ill informed that Sisu will own any new stadium we play in not CCFC. If they got the Ricoh they would also own that.
For some reason people think CCFC will own any new stadium built and have access to all the profits, when in reality they will rent off Sisu and be subject to any incomes Sisu allow them to have. Exactly the same situation we are in at the moment.
All I'm saying is the most important stakeholder in any sports club is its fans.
As I've said IF a majority of fans supported the move then who are we to tell them their wrong?
You were stating these things as fact, you put one question mark in against a minor point. I ask you for evidence, you cant provide it and then ask me to reply for you. I rest my case.
You are as thick as Italia. Are you related?
As I've said IF a majority of fans supported the move then who are we to tell them their wrong?
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