Why I think League 1 is a must for us... (1 Viewer)

[Grendel]

Except the selling of the one player has made no difference. Win ratio has improved. I am not saying I approve of it but there is an easy justification especially as he may have moved as a free agent at the end of next season.

Sorry replied to the wrong thread!!!

 

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[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

I think relegation will be meltdown for us. It's why we should have taken action to avoid it weeks ago both by changing manager and getting more loans in.

Which would have: a) cost money and b) cost money

Moreover, what should any new potential manager have money for loans that hasn't been afforded to Thorn? Doesn't seem fair, does it?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Was it not Richardson who said 'Relegation will be the best thing to ever happen to the club' back in 2001? People applying the same logic now would do well to pay attention to that quote. New grounds just represent chances to see the City struggle against even worse opposition at worse stadia-the prospect of going to Swindon as underdogs does little for me to be honest.

 

[Otis]

Richardson said the Championship "could be fun."

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

Richardson said the Championship "could be fun."

Maybe he favoured S&M?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Or Division One, as it was in those days.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Maybe he favoured S&M?

Thoughts I could do without MMM.

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

''Absolutely no doubt whatsoever''. Sorry, I forgot you were the Oracle. Apologies...

If he says the sun will rise tomorrow morning, I don't think that makes him the Oracle - it's just seeing something that's happened regularly in the past and extrapolating it into the future.

Some might argue that CCFC selling players is a better bet than the sun rising tomorrow..........

 

[oldskyblue58]

relegation didnt work for us last time why should it work now ?



Player sales - it is a fact of life folks, it is essential (as it stands) so that we actually have a club to support. Any new owners are going to have the same problems and by the look of it the same tools to deal with it. Unless there is a significant increase in crowds then the budget to buy and pay wages is going to be restricted (FFP is already a fact of life in League 1 with FL wanting wages at no more than 70% of turnover). We will have to wheel and deal players and we will have to make use of the academy- why have it if you are not going to grow your own talent?



I appreciate that it is a fact of life. However if SISU had good business sence surely when you are in the bottom 3 and you have a chance of staying up. You only have 4 months left to the end of the season. You get an offer for your only goalscorer of somewhere in the region of 750000 - 1 million. Do you sell him and condemn your club to relegation which will cost a lot more then 1 million, or do you hold onto him. Hope that he keeps your club up and scores some more goals then seel him for a better offer and save the club millions and its possible existence.

The only reason I think you would not chose option 2 is if you knew you were not going to be around past the summer

and if the club needed money , had run out of it to pay debts, perhaps owed another club a large instalment ? Sometimes clubs have to sacrifice some things to have a future.

Our results have picked up (at home) and we have scored a few goals, while Juke has not been a great success at Middlesboro. I liked Juke here but sometimes you have to look at other things. I think we would have been better with him but I also think that we needed to raise funds somewhere - lets face it our "better" players either wont go, got no offers, or are seeing out contracts.

I accept that you look at the bigger picture, but sometimes isnt the picture you might think it is. There is an arguement for saying that the sale of Juke brought in Norwood & Nimely, paid off some debts and made us more stable on and off the pitch. Certainly our results with Nimely around seem to have improved at home. There by gave us a chance of staying up

We have got to get away from thinking any owner is going to be able to keep providing funds. It might please the fans if they did but what it actually does is put the club deeper and deeper into debt. Mean while in the real world that isnt football debts are required to be repaid.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

Thoughts I could do without MMM.

Sorry dear chap. I had to gag back a tiny bit of sick just to complete the sentence

 

[CCFC Germany]

What scares me most about League One is that I can't see any reason why we should "automatically" be promoted right back again.
We've got a mostly rubbish team right now and it does not look like an above average League One team to me without changes.
I've got the strange feeling some people might think that just because we are a so called "big" or "bigger" club, we might dance through the season and go up unbeaten.
There are and were lots of other names struggling there and most of them had a different financial background...

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Sorry dear chap. I had to gag back a tiny bit of sick just to complete the sentence

BR ruined my club, now he ruins my dreams

 

[dongonzalos]

and if the club needed money , had run out of it to pay debts, perhaps owed another club a large instalment ? Sometimes clubs have to sacrifice some things to have a future.

Our results have picked up (at home) and we have scored a few goals, while Juke has not been a great success at Middlesboro. I liked Juke here but sometimes you have to look at other things. I think we would have been better with him but I also think that we needed to raise funds somewhere - lets face it our "better" players either wont go, got no offers, or are seeing out contracts.

I accept that you look at the bigger picture, but sometimes isnt the picture you might think it is. There is an arguement for saying that the sale of Juke brought in Norwood & Nimely, paid off some debts and made us more stable on and off the pitch. Certainly our results with Nimely around seem to have improved at home. There by gave us a chance of staying up

We have got to get away from thinking any owner is going to be able to keep providing funds. It might please the fans if they did but what it actually does is put the club deeper and deeper into debt. Mean while in the real world that isnt football debts are required to be repaid.

Interesting point a bit of food for thought....

I certinately wont call you an idiot for having a different opinion to me unlike some

 

[@richh87]

I do however feel that which ever manager, whatever the squad we are right to expect the team to win more games than this year. That in its self would be success and more enjoyable. To win 6 out of 36 and none away is just not acceptable for any team under any manager- it takes more than that for me to have faith in what is going on the pitch. Faith in the off pitch stuff is something else entirely and frankly i do not see anything so far in SISU or GH that will make me have that - from a financial stand point they both use the same general tools when more radical thought is required

So whatever the team or manager the results aren't acceptable? So if we had pub players it wouod be unacceptable?

How unreasonable. We have rejects and children.

 

[Otis]

If he says the sun will rise tomorrow morning, I don't think that makes him the Oracle - it's just seeing something that's happened regularly in the past and extrapolating it into the future.

Some might argue that CCFC selling players is a better bet than the sun rising tomorrow..........

Thank you. :claping hands:

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Rich, the home form and general performances show what the team is capable of doing when set up the right way. Criticising some of the worst away form in living memory is not unreasonable.

 

[Otis]

So whatever the team or manager the results aren't acceptable? So if we had pub players it wouod be unacceptable?

How unreasonable. We have rejects and children.

Yes, and that's just the fans.

 

[Grendel]

So whatever the team or manager the results aren't acceptable? So if we had pub players it wouod be unacceptable?

How unreasonable. We have rejects and children.

I hardly call keogh, clingan, deegan, cranie rejects McDonald was his signing and we know baker and bell were scouted by him. As for children Nathan cameron was man of the match on Saturday and Clark was good too. Can Andy thorn do anything wrong. What will you do when he's sacked call the samaratans?

 

[Otis]

No, Burger King.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

I hardly call keogh, clingan, deegan, cranie rejects McDonald was his signing and we know baker and bell were scouted by him. As for children Nathan cameron was man of the match on Saturday and Clark was good too. Can Andy thorn do anything wrong. What will you do when he's sacked call the samaratans?

Does Thorn not get any credit for scouting Richard Keogh whilst Carslile - where he"d also been out on loan at Cheltenham Town - then; or are you happy to only credit Thorn with responsibility for those you perceive as crap?

According to you, to turn your question, can he do anything right?

 

[torchomatic]

Or right? .

Can Andy thorn do anything wrong.

 

[Grendel]

Does Thorn not get any credit for scouting Richard Keogh whilst Carslile - where he"d also been out on loan at Cheltenham Town - then; or are you happy to only credit Thorn with responsibility for those you perceive as crap?
According to you, to turn your question, can he do anything right?

Considering some on here claim he scouts anything half decent and then doesn't any poor player that's a bit rich (if you excuse the pun).

As a scout he may have merit but that does not make him a manager in my book. It's hardly astounding someone posts consistently for a managers head when we are in the worst league position in over half a century.

Why symapthise it's his job and he gets paid to do it.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

I think he's a good scout. But then again, some people are as blind as they want to be:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Talent+spotter+Andy+is+the+Sky+Blues'+secret+star.-a0194593053

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

As a scout he may have merit but that does not make him a manager in my book. It's hardly astounding someone posts consistently for a managers head when we are in the worst league position in over half a century.

Whereas others might simply expect that league position to prevail when our comparative investment in the playing squad is as poor as its been in half a century

 

[Grendel]

Whereas others might simply expect that league position to prevail when our comparative investment in the playing squad is as poor as its been in half a century

That I doubt. Go back to 1975 and 1982 and also look at the first team that lined up in the Premier League. Anyway so what? There is no managerial history for Thorn to know if he is good or bad all we know is we are going down. What do you want to do give him a reference. Sorry I just can't see he has anything that suggests he would ever be management material.

 

[Grendel]

I think he's a good scout. But then again, some people are as blind as they want to be:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Talent+spotter+Andy+is+the+Sky+Blues'+secret+star.-a0194593053

I haven't said he isn't, I'm good at what I do but I wouldn't fancy driving a train.

 

[Grendel]

Or right? .

There has been a suggestion he makes a pretty mean ham and pickle sandwich.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

That I doubt. Go back to 1975 and 1982 and also look at the first team that lined up in the Premier League. Anyway so what? There is no managerial history for Thorn to know if he is good or bad all we know is we are going down. What do you want to do give him a reference. Sorry I just can't see he has anything that suggests he would ever be management material.

But the assets placed at his disposal haven't given him the chance to show want we can do. How can you seriously hark back to years in Division One and compare investment? We are one of the worst funded teams or two teams in the top two leagues. We were never even close to being so in the years you cite!?!

 

[Grendel]

But the assets placed at his disposal haven't given him the chance to show want we can do. How can you seriously hark back to years in Division One and compare investment? We are one of the worst funded teams or two teams in the top two leagues. We were never even close to being so in the years you cite!?!

OK even if I 100% accept that (which I don't but it is correct in 80% of seasons) why does that automatically mean he would be any good?

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

I haven't said he isn't, I'm good at what I do but I wouldn't fancy driving a train.

So is he a good scout or isn't he? I have categorically stated I think he is and listed an article which shows some of the players he bears some responsibility for. You credited him, with some mischief, with Baker and Bell. Nice easy question for you, is he a good scout or not?

 

[Grendel]

But the assets placed at his disposal haven't given him the chance to show want we can do. How can you seriously hark back to years in Division One and compare investment? We are one of the worst funded teams or two teams in the top two leagues. We were never even close to being so in the years you cite!?!

Take issue as well with those years - seroiusly are you saying we were not the worst funded team when Gould took over - honestly?

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

OK even if I 100% accept that (which I don't but it is correct in 80% of seasons) why does that automatically mean he would be any good?

It doesn't. It means we don't know. What is known though is that we have a league performance consummate with investment. Yet you expect for this not to prevail

 

[Grendel]

So is he a good scout or isn't he? I have categorically stated I think he is and listed an article which shows some of the players he bears some responsibility for. You credited him, with some mischief, with Baker and Bell. Nice easy question for you, is he a good scout or not?

Yes it is mischief but only in response to people like Rich who keep citing we only have crap players. You have to admit that then is the obvious response. Honest view is he probably is a good a scout as we are likely to get.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

Take issue as well with those years - seroiusly are you saying we were not the worst funded team when Gould took over - honestly?

Which stint?

 

[Grendel]

Which stint?

The first!