Withdrawing a complaint to the european commission (5 Viewers)

[SkyBlueZack]

And then you posted asking for an answer. Awkward indeed.

The exasperation gif was because I’d had two people wilfully misunderstand the same post one after the other. Also you’ve been a cock all day in the other thread.

I suggest you look back up through the thread. All day? I gave up after a while, you didn’t. There’s only one cock out of me and you and it ain’t me.

 

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[chiefdave]

Are you telling me you’d be happy if I repeatedly took you to court for something you didn’t do because you know you did nothing wrong?

In that scenario my main objective would be to prove I had done nothing wrong as you tend to find when accusations fly around but aren't fully examined the doubt remains.

Of course the flip side of that is if I was concerned that maybe I had done something wrong and might lose I would use everything I my disposal to try and pressure you into calling things to a halt.

Once the EC has made a decision either way either side can appeal. We saw how long the JR dragged on until it was finally thrown out and no one recovers 100% of the cost of defending a legal action.

Well obviously if the EC find against the council they won't appeal it. After all how many times have they said a ruling should just be accepted and not challenged by way of appeal or further action?

 

[SkyBlueZack]

Alright mate. Come talk to me when you’ve had a few years of half the forum jumping on you, wilfully misrepresenting you’re view, bringing your family into it, saying your stupid, asking for you to be banned all because you ask a question or fail to take the approved forum view.

I am a bit of a dick, so that wouldn’t be the first time. Apologies if I jumped on you early, can’t be arsed to scroll back through that thread and see so I’ll assume I did.

I’ve acknowledged that other people are just as guilty. That’s why I try not to be, I disagree with what you say and it frustrates me you fail to see what I’m saying. Insulting you and talking down to you isn’t going to help me put my point across though is it.

 

[shmmeee]

In that scenario my main objective would be to prove I had done nothing wrong as you tend to find when accusations fly around but aren't fully examined the doubt remains.

Of course the flip side of that is if I was concerned that maybe I had done something wrong and might lose I would use everything I my disposal to try and pressure you into calling things to a halt.

Well obviously if the EC find against the council they won't appeal it. After all how many times have they said a ruling should just be accepted and not challenged by way of appeal or further action?

Right. Sisu put in appeal after appeal and start new proceedings when they fail and that’s just justice. CCC appeal once and they’re out of line. Take your SBT goggles off for a second and ask if that sounds right.

Only time will tell who is right here, so far it hasn’t been Sisu but we’ll see. In the mean time we’ve gambled our place in Coventry on this and seemingly have made no progress on our own ground and even if it succeeds have no guarantee we’ll get the Ricoh and even if we do no way to make it more affordable than it was.

We are all getting excited over indemnity clauses and the like and not the fact that we’ve willingly made ourselves homeless with seemingly no serious plan to remedy that. We have no power over Wasps, we are not their fans, we have no power over CCC we are a tiny proportion of voters spread too far around, literally the only people we do have some power over are Sisu and there’s been no attempt to force their hand on the stadium. Which is exactly how they like it. That’s my issue.

All this bollocks about who said what and which group is run by who is noise designed to distract from the main point: our owners gambled the club on getting a ground on the cheap and so far it seems to have failed spectacularly.

 

[stupot07]

Give us a link then kid.

Potential route to break the Ricoh Arena deadlock scuppered

Wheres Mark_ccfc disappeared to?

Case closed( or not)

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[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

All this bollocks about who said what and which group is run by who is noise designed to distract from the main point: our owners gambled the club on getting a ground on the cheap and so far it seems to have failed spectacularly.

 

[ccfcway]

well, can we be sure of one thing, in approx12 months now, whatever the ruling is, it will be appealed by the losing party ?

 

[fernandopartridge]

I didn’t say this was vexatious. I was pointing out that there’s a valid reason to not be cool with being sued for no reason and the courts recognise that fact.

I couldn’t care less if they do distress Wasps (though as a tax payer not a fan of distressing the taxpayer), more bothered that this could lead to us out of Cov until your new kid finishes school.

The city council went into this with their eyes open aware of the history and the potential for further court action. In their usual condescending style they knew best.

I feel sorry for the people of Coventry having such supine councillors in the face of officers who give not a fuck about Coventry or its people.

 

[shmmeee]

The city council went into this with their eyes open aware of the history and the potential for further court action. In their usual condescending style they knew best.

I feel sorry for the people of Coventry having such supine councillors in the face of officers who give not a fuck about Coventry or its people.

Whatever your personal take on councillors. It ain’t them that will lose out if the budget is reduced.

You are as always of course basing this on the assumption that they’ve done something wrong. Which has yet to be proved and so far they’ve been cleared. If when all this is over Sisu are still unable to prove anything wrong then there’s a fair argument they did the right thing by protecting an asset and bringing a business with national profile to the city. Of course that’d require a dispassionate view that’s pretty rare around here.

Of course if not then you’re right. There’s certainly shitty councillors, but there’s some decent ones as well who made the same decision.

 

[chiefdave]

If when all this is over Sisu are still unable to prove anything wrong then there’s a fair argument they did the right thing by protecting an asset and bringing a business with national profile to the city.

Sorry but even with the pre-emptive insults you will never persuade me that the council did the right thing in facilitating a clubs move 90 miles across the country.

I'm absolutely certain if Bury Council did the same thing and persuaded SISU to move to an empty stadium there we wouldn't be posting on here about how they did the right thing. A sports club is not like other businesses you can't just pick up and move around the country, its abhorrent.

Not to mention in the process of bringing in this business with national profile to the city they've managed to lose one with an international profile who brought far more benefits to the city than their replacement ever will.

 

[mark_ccfc]

Wheres Mark_ccfc disappeared to?

Case closed( or not)

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am here - the whole purpose of me posting was to see where the statements of "The complaint to the EU cannot be withdrawn" came from. Oldskyblue confirmed it and shmmeee posted a link to a CET article stating that the EU themselves confirmed that it can't be withdrawn. I am satisfied - as you say "Case closed".

 

[itsabuzzard]

am here - the whole purpose of me posting was to see where the statements of "The complaint to the EU cannot be withdrawn" came from. Oldskyblue confirmed it and shmmeee posted a link to a CET article stating that the EU themselves confirmed that it can't be withdrawn. I am satisfied - as you say "Case closed".

Phew!

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[Nick]

you have more confidence in that than i do - why?

I have no expectation of knowing for sure any of the indemnities asked or not asked for. Given the history of this dispute i would need each party to be able to confirm exactly the same thing with no spin or interpretation - never going to happen.

It wasn't confidence in an outcome, it was pre-empting that something was going on.

Judging by the Trust getting fired up misleading people it clearly is

Just all these coincidences again.

 

[Warwickhunt]

SISU should send a letter to the EU withdrawing their complaint with copies to CCFC,CCC & WASPS therefore acting in accordance with request. the ECJ will tell them to bugger off as they will continue despite SISU's withdrawel request. , the very act of writing an official withdrawel letter complies with the Demands for talks to continue.

 

[mark_ccfc]

One thought is this. If this is a formal complaint then the following applies:-
"The Commission services endeavour to investigate a formal complaint within a non-binding time limit of 12 months from when they are registered. The investigation could be longer based on the circumstances of the case, for example if the Commission services need to ask the complainant, Member State or third parties for further information."

Taken from section 9.2 from here:-

I believe the complaint was lodged in February? In that case could some kind of preliminary finding be imminent?

 

[Warwickhunt]

One thought is this. If this is a formal complaint then the following applies:-
"The Commission services endeavour to investigate a formal complaint within a non-binding time limit of 12 months from when they are registered. The investigation could be longer based on the circumstances of the case, for example if the Commission services need to ask the complainant, Member State or third parties for further information."

Taken from section 9.2 from here:-

I believe the complaint was lodged in February? In that case could some kind of preliminary finding be imminent?

probably thats why all the shite is coming out now

 

[fernandopartridge]

One thought is this. If this is a formal complaint then the following applies:-
"The Commission services endeavour to investigate a formal complaint within a non-binding time limit of 12 months from when they are registered. The investigation could be longer based on the circumstances of the case, for example if the Commission services need to ask the complainant, Member State or third parties for further information."

Taken from section 9.2 from here:-

I believe the complaint was lodged in February? In that case could some kind of preliminary finding be imminent?

It's irrelevant

 

[mark_ccfc]

Its not irrelevant at all, it is possible that the commission could decide that there is no grounds for complaint within 12 months.