skyblueinBaku
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"Gammon" is a stupid expression, as is "woke".
"Gammon" is a stupid expression, as is "woke".I was reading this till i heard the word Gammon. I've heard it before on here but i don't know what it is. It is obviously defamatory to some one but why? As for Gammon i love a nice Gammon steak with a runny egg, yum yum.
Create a "spoof" character, or a paraday theme, and you can get away with things you normally wouldn't. How much of Alf Garnet is the real side of Johnny Speight only he would have known.Just checking that people realise Jonathan Pie is a spoof character? Some of the posts are making me wonder if thats registered with people!
Where was the forcing of university?
Create a "spoof" character, or a paraday theme, and you can get away with things you normally wouldn't. How much of Alf Garnet is the real side of Johnny Speight only he would have known.
Have you been in a secondary school post Blair? Uni attendance is seen as the be all and end all. I saw kids desperate to be a hairdresser pushed to 15 C+ grades, then A-Levels because that looks better for the school than a talented smart hairdresser doing her BTEC and starting a business.
Blair was explicit about having a target for uni attendance
c. Earn a livingI think the character is allowing him to largely say what he really thinks (he has to come up with the ideas for the character) but is able to
a. use the its a comedy character in defence when people are inevitably offended
b. allow him to mentally disassociate himself from it so he has the confidence to say it. Basically like a lot of us on here - hiding behind a persona. Just instead of a keyboard he does it behind a camera and a suit.
Yes, I left in 2001. How did Blair's target manifest itself in school behaviour? As far as I'm aware there is nothing in the funding formula or Ofsted that looks at destinations for people leaving school.
I don't disagree with a lot of that, but I would be very wary of equating *what* is taught with the quality. There can be excellent quality social science degrees and yes, they do serve a purpose in society. There can also be poor quality IT degrees. The distilling across many institutions is the issue, rather than the subject matter.2001 was very early Blair and I meant as an adult. Maybe it’s changed or I had particularly abnormal schools BSB and the other current teachers will set me right if so, but my experience was very much that schools are geared towards university admissions.
I mean here’s Blair’s speech in 1999 where he sets out the goal: BBC News | UK Politics | Tony Blair's speech in full
Add in fees making it worthwhile unis chasing subpar students with subpar courses and you’ve got a recipe for distasteful IMO.
Anyway I’ve already towed back from the central premise as it’s a worldwide phenomenon.
I don't disagree with a lot of that, but I would be very wary of equating *what* is taught with the quality. There can be excellent quality social science degrees and yes, they do serve a purpose in society. There can also be poor quality IT degrees. The distilling across many institutions is the issue, rather than the subject matter.
I've always been for valuing manual trades more highly - where would we be without plumbers?!? But there is a space for seeming learning for learning's sake as well.
And a lot of it has been taught for the past 40 years, anyway!
Have you been in a secondary school post Blair? Uni attendance is seen as the be all and end all. I saw kids desperate to be a hairdresser pushed to 15 C+ grades, then A-Levels because that looks better for the school than a talented smart hairdresser doing her BTEC and starting a business.
Blair was explicit about having a target for uni attendance
c. Earn a living
Fair enough, you have much closer experience than me2001 was very early Blair and I meant as an adult. Maybe it’s changed or I had particularly abnormal schools BSB and the other current teachers will set me right if so, but my experience was very much that schools are geared towards university admissions.
I mean here’s Blair’s speech in 1999 where he sets out the goal: BBC News | UK Politics | Tony Blair's speech in full
Also look at Aim Higher and the leaver destination surveys if you want to know about schools being pushed on this. School improvement is a lot wider than Ofsted.
Add in fees making it worthwhile unis chasing subpar students with subpar courses and you’ve got a recipe for disaster IMO.
Anyway I’ve already rowed back from the central premise as it’s a worldwide phenomenon.
He was struggling to find work as an actor. Made the first Pie video, it went off and here we are. He could earn a living doing other things yes but in an interview with Tom Walker that is how he describes it.He could earn a living without creating a character.
On the Woke topic, found this an excellent perspective on “cancelling” people.
"The more you accept you are wrong, the closer you are to being right" - I like that!On the Woke topic, found this an excellent perspective on “cancelling” people.
"The more you accept you are wrong, the closer you are to being right" - I like that!
Still not sure i know what "cancelling" is, though!
And i don't believe that DDN is "entirely uninfluenced by any corporate organisation". It's impossible, or at least too introspective!
But yeah - REALLY interesting to hear what she had to say. Thanks @shmmeee
If that woman is indicative of their quality, then bring it ON!!!“Cancelling” is just the name given to the phenomenon where someone says something deemed politically incorrect or past behaviour is found and then “everyone” decides their show should be cancelled or they should lose their job or their Twitter should be banned or whatever.
Don’t know about DDN just came across the video and liked it. Maybe they are terrible I have no idea
Like Danny Baker, you mean?“Cancelling” is just the name given to the phenomenon where someone says something deemed politically incorrect or past behaviour is found and then “everyone” decides their show should be cancelled or they should lose their job or their Twitter should be banned or whatever.
Don’t know about DDN just came across the video and liked it. Maybe they are terrible I have no idea
I assume the people who have been found guilty of serial predatory behaviour are rightly cancelled??
Like Danny Baker, you mean?
I assume the people who have been found guilty of serial predatory behaviour are rightly cancelled??
Well like anyone who has said anything out of place at any point in the pass has to be hounded until they're fired. Makes people feel big for doing something on the internet.
Start a petition.
Can we clarify what WOKE is these days? I know it originates from the civil rights movement in the US in the 60’s and is essentially black slang but these days it seems to be used as a put down by gammons to anyone who doesn’t agree with Katie Hopkins, doesn’t think brexit is a good idea, thinks criticism of the government means you hate England and would rather live in Italy etc etc.
People who use the word gammon, fuck my life
Ah come on. It’s accurate and funny. They do look like gammon.
People who use the word gammon, fuck my life
Cancel culture is extremely toxic, probably falls into extreme bullying and manipulation of others, its the absolute worstOn the Woke topic, found this an excellent perspective on “cancelling” people.
No different to snowflake though.
And in my opinion both of them can fuck off.
Boris is currently kind of looking that way .I dont know many white people that don't look gammony though, unless your albino you definitely look a bit gammony, some of the people that throw the word round look like you could whack an egg on their heads and slice away
Lol
Yet perfectly normal to some.Cancel culture is extremely toxic, probably falls into extreme bullying and manipulation of others, its the absolute worst
Let's be honest, melt, wanker and tosspots still hold weight in 2020.. Let's revert back to some classics
melt is the worst.
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