fatso
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Then maybe we should have the "trans" games, like the invictus games only for people who don't know if their penis is a male or female one.
Then maybe we should have the "trans" games, like the invictus games only for people who don't know if their penis is a male or female one.Yes but also saying it’s due to wokeness. It’s not. It’s an edge case where assignment of sex is not straight forward.
Well, not if you have XY chromosomes.It seems to me that people don't actually want a clear test, they want to go off vibes.
This woman has been boxing in women's events for years and appeared in previous Olympics yet now has been seized seemingly based not on the olympics gender testing but because people don't 'feel' she's a woman. IMO the fact that it's boxing is being exploited for the safety angle.
There's plenty of fights where one person is so clearly ahead of the other you could play the safety card.
Noticeable how quickly the narrative has changed from people who have switched from participating as a male to female being an issue to someone who has lived their whole life as a woman and is biologically a woman.
100% - there should be separate categories, it’s not fair on the athletes. The biological women who have to compete against people with a biological advantage as well as the athletes at the centre of these storms.Then maybe we should have the "trans" games, like the invictus games only for people who don't know if their penis is a male or female one.
Nights out for you must have been interesting mate.I was confused over the man/woman thing.
More options though!Nights out for you must have been interesting mate.
I've been seeing online for a couple of years now that gender is just a construct and the only thing that matters is sex.The athlete in question has XY chromosomes and has failed the IOC's 'gender test' yet is still allowed to compete.
Wrong, please get basic facts right if you're going to contribute to a discussion like this.The athlete in question has XY chromosomes and has failed the IOC's 'gender test' yet is still allowed to compete.
Wow, that sounded a bit stroppy,Wrong, please get basic facts right if you're going to contribute to a discussion like this.
Definitely, depending on age/genetics body composition etc.I’d like to see the science around that conclusion. Does this mean that some males will have a higher lever of female hormones?
Nights out for you must have been interesting mate.
I doubt she can get pregnant, when she underwent puberty as a teenager she would likely have went through a lot of the changes associated with a male such as deeper voice etc.It is complicated. If some with a vagina and cervix that could get pregnant isn't a woman then who is?
As you understand it, what is the ‘basic facts?’Wrong, please get basic facts right if you're going to contribute to a discussion like this.
She didn't fail an IOC test otherwise she wouldn't be competing at the olympics.As you understand it, what is the ‘basic facts?’
Not quite the same here for me, it's a consent thing. These women want to compete with and against men.If we’re looking at safety and physicality what about sports that have mixed teams?
Ice hockey is a pretty aggressive sport and I’ve not seen any complaints about Blaze having female players?
The IBA denied Khelif's testosterone levels had been tested.
However, in an interview with BBC sports editor Dan Roan on Thursday, IBA chief executive Chris Roberts said XY chromosomes were found in "both cases".
Roberts said there were "different strands involved in that" and therefore the body could not commit to referring to Khelif as "biologically male".
Splitting hairs over a wrong acronym - the IBA tested these athletes and banned them from competing. Since you said ‘basic facts’ were wrong, these athletes failed a gender test and IOC has let them compete. The failed test is the basic fact here, not what governing body issued it.She didn't fail an IOC test otherwise she wouldn't be competing at the olympics.
I've been seeing online for a couple of years now that gender is just a construct and the only thing that matters is sex.
If this is true then how can a person that can give birth be a man?
So as this person is XY man with a vagina and cervix it's true that men can have those organs and possibly get pregnant?Splitting hairs over a wrong acronym - the IBA tested these athletes and banned them from competing. Since you said ‘basic facts’ were wrong, these athletes failed a gender test and IOC has let them compete. The failed test is the basic fact here, not what governing body issued it.
You know, why care about what the athletes competing think? One of your comments was ‘the athlete isn’t dominant anyway’, which is just irresponsible. Female athletes shouldn’t be forced to compete against biological males (XY chromosomes) in the name of inclusivity and fairness. How is it fair to women competing against these people?
I believe everyone should be able to compete, which is why I support separate categories for trans/intersex athletes. That’s the best way to allow competition to be inclusive and fair.
Intersex people have both sexual organs and this particular person clearly has a womb with XY chromosomes which is possible for intersex people. It’s a minute % of the population impacted. It remains the biological reality that your sex is based on your chromosomes being XY or XX.
“The International Boxing Association (IBA), the Russian-led authority that conducted the test and was itself excluded from administering the Olympic boxing citing concerns over its management and integrity, claims the test “proved [Khelif and Yu-Ting] had XY chromosomes”. The International Olympic Committee (IOC) said the test showed they had high testosterone levels, though the claim has since disappeared from its website.”Splitting hairs over a wrong acronym - the IBA tested these athletes and banned them from competing. Since you said ‘basic facts’ were wrong, these athletes failed a gender test and IOC has let them compete. The failed test is the basic fact here, not what governing body issued it.
You know, why care about what the athletes competing think? One of your comments was ‘the athlete isn’t dominant anyway’, which is just irresponsible. Female athletes shouldn’t be forced to compete against biological males (XY chromosomes) in the name of inclusivity and fairness. How is it fair to women competing against these people?
I believe everyone should be able to compete, which is why I support separate categories for trans/intersex athletes. That’s the best way to allow competition to be inclusive and fair.
Intersex people have both sexual organs and this particular person clearly has a womb with XY chromosomes which is possible for intersex people. It’s a minute % of the population impacted. It remains the biological reality that your sex is based on your chromosomes being XY or XX.
Yes and such a condition is called Swyer syndrome.So as this person is XY man with a vagina and cervix it's true that men can have those organs and possibly get pregnant?
That's interesting. Never heard of it.Yes and such a condition is called Swyer syndrome.
Not quite, because intersex people have sexual characteristics (such as sexual organs) genitalia that are both male and female but their biological coding will still be dictated by the makeup of their chromosomes.That's interesting. Never heard of it.
So the baseness of vagina = female, penis = man is just not relevant?
just spent an hour googling and reading stuff about the IBA Championships in question and it raises a lot of questions and certainly doesn't seem like an event you could hold up as cast iron evidence of anything.the IBA tested these athletes and banned them from competing
Can you offer any hope to the people out there in everyday life with this condition so they don't feel stigmatized living their normal life.The IOC can do their own tests.
Why don't they?
Could it be too much bother to actually protect women's sport?
This problem is not going away.
There will be more until they do their job by looking at the evidence and being strong enough to make tough decisions.
There are lots of people with DSDs. Just as there are lots of people with other conditions that means they can't participate in many activities. Not sure what you're asking of me or women's sport.Can you offer any hope to the people out there in everyday life with this condition so they don't feel stigmatized living their normal life.
The use of the word healthy or unhealthy will not be considered helpful I wouldn't have thought?
Just the wording really, Condition would be a preferable word IMO!There are lots of people with DSDs. Just as there are lots of people with other conditions that means they can't participate in many activities. Not sure what you're asking of me or women's sport.
Gets a£100k from gazprom via Trump's campaign against the IOC and other!IOC puts out correction after president Thomas Bach confuses gender issues
The IOC has issued a correction after its president Thomas Bach got in a muddle when defending a decision to let Imane Khelif fight in Pariswww.theguardian.com
“I will not confuse the two issues,” Bach said, before confusing the two issues. He said: “We are not talking about the transgender issue here. This is about a woman taking part in a woman’s category and for all the rest.
Meanwhile Angela Carini has apologised, apparently she fell down the stairs.
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