stupot07
Well-Known Member
School buildings, no idea if they are still being used.
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RoboCCFC90
Well-Known Member
I don’t think any of the old houses or blocks are being used at the moment Stu.
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
Well-Known Member
I mean re: funding, is there land to build a retail site and a training ground with a stadium? Could It be like the Ricoh and selling of a chunk of land to Tesco? They paid 60 million, that would fund a stadium surely?
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
Fair enough, but let's give the Council a chance to explain themselves.
Warwickhunt
Well-Known Member
So they would also block a new housing estate build as well then??
RoboCCFC90
Well-Known Member
I believe something like this is possible, I don’t know HDW if you’d been to original White Hart Lane, but there was barely any space there. Now they’ve funded their new stadium through building 200+ houses and a supermarket.
With the space available at Woodlands I could hypothetically see something similar in order to generate funding to build the stadium.
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon
Well-Known Member
Iirc the Tesco deal didnt cover the entire cost of the Ricoh, it certainly contributed a big proportion of it though. I think the main issues around the Woodlands site would be the suitability of a large scale development and whether the roads could take the traffic.
The coucil have it earmarked for educational purposes though don't they? Who said anything about housing?
No chance, its over a mile and a half away
Grendel
Well-Known Member
The road and traffic arguments - same as when any other ground is mentioned is a smokescreen really.
Look at banner lane which had to cope with Massey Ferguson and browns lane when it was jaguar. The huge housing estate from the windmill to Pickford green will have around 30,000 occupants and a shopping centre and industrial occupancy
fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
Let's give both parties the opportunity to prove themselves. Council engage with them and let's see as a minimum an application for outline planning permission by the start of next season
Liquid Gold
Well-Known Member
Do you reckon before the Ricoh people were mad at the idea of all the traffic on these couple of roads to a gasworks.
If you’re expecting more people you build more infrastructure, not difficult.
If you’re expecting more people you build more infrastructure, not difficult.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
Believe it is education and sporting so that wouldn't be an issue.
It was Cllr Maton, when he was the council chair of planning, who first mentioned housing on that site.
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon
Well-Known Member
I take your point, ive no idea whether its likely to be approved or not but there will be differing levels of support/objection for different sites. Woodlands looks quite residential which would be my biggest fear, im not a planner though.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
Could not agree with this more. Pressure should now be on the council to either clearly state why this is a non starter or to do a deal similar to the one they have with Wasps for car park C at the Ricoh.
They have given Wasps an 18 month license there in which time they don't have to pay a penny but have an agreement they can purchase the lease upon approval of a planning application.
Absolutely no reason they can't do the same for the club and then there is a definite time frame which SISU have to work to.
Then put pressure on Wasps to agree a short term deal to cover the time frame.
All done on the basis that legal action will be dropped at a certain point, lets says when planning permission is granted and the lease option taken up.
Lets put an end to all the bickering and move forward on that basis. Things will then come to a conclusion one way or another. Either there is a new stadium and the legals dropped or SISU have to admit it is all a bluff.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Again though residents have no say at all in such matters. They never have - there may be protests but in the end it’s ignored
I don’t it will happen but I can’t see one supporter having an issue with locality
There would be ample room for large parking spaces and traffic management systems to get people in and out.
It’s not an especially busy road network away at weekends
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Problem is, with all these sites, there'll always be perfectly rational reasons why they're a non-starter. And many of those reasons will apply to any site we can come up with. Those reasons don't have to rule a site out, but can. Point being, it wouldn't take CCC long to come up with plausible reasons why a site's not worth pursuing, so the question's a bit redundant.
What we *really* need to know, is who would be responsible for funding the development, such as infrastructure, to enable such a site to work. I suspect this is what SISU have in mind... and I suspect it's something CCC would have no intention of doing. As budgets are pushed, they usually hope the developers fund infrastructure improvements as part of the deal.
So... impasse.
But that's what we need to styart discussing really - the practicalities. How many conditions are there, and are they (intentionally?) unreasonable?
Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon
Well-Known Member
Yeah as a fan i'd not have an issue with the site, protests etc might slow things up (which could be a big problem) but if the council back it id imagine it would inevitably come to pass if funded. It will be interesting to see if any party confirms the story now.
SkyBlueDom26
Well-Known Member
If it gets confirmed then surely the ricoh discussions will open up???
Sisu said about the new stadium land and a deal to stay at the ricoh while its being built! Thankfully things finally look to be coming to a head
Sisu said about the new stadium land and a deal to stay at the ricoh while its being built! Thankfully things finally look to be coming to a head
Liquid Gold
Well-Known Member
That would be the sensible thing to start breaking the impasse. I feel that the council are reluctant to have another stadium in the city though as if their Wasps project goes pop they have a massive white elephant at the Ricoh and they'll be picking up the costs.
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
Just a few articles that might help people understand process etc
Legalities of building a new football stadium - InBrief.co.uk
Planning for stadiums: A sporting chance
Also there is this which is a general blueprint for a stadium build
https://assets.kpmg/content/dam/kpmg/pdf/2013/11/blueprint-successful-stadium-development.pdf
From what i have seen there are few stadiums that go from interest to completion in under 5 years it is usually longer than that. Which could be an issue if nothing can be agreed at the Ricoh.
Question am i right in thinking Councils usually ask for a contribution to infra structure? That will add to the cost but will also be a potential problem
Legalities of building a new football stadium - InBrief.co.uk
Planning for stadiums: A sporting chance
Also there is this which is a general blueprint for a stadium build
https://assets.kpmg/content/dam/kpmg/pdf/2013/11/blueprint-successful-stadium-development.pdf
From what i have seen there are few stadiums that go from interest to completion in under 5 years it is usually longer than that. Which could be an issue if nothing can be agreed at the Ricoh.
Question am i right in thinking Councils usually ask for a contribution to infra structure? That will add to the cost but will also be a potential problem
olderskyblue
Well-Known Member
Are you sure about that? Hasn't there been many issues with the junction with the A45 causing traffic hold ups, including week ends?
I think it used to work better before the "improvements".. Maybe that would be part of the infrastructure issues and costs.
Captain Dart
Well-Known Member
True there was a £20m hole in finance, largely due to :
a) CCFC messing up land deal, giving land to contracors to cover costs they were unable to meet who then pulled out of project and charged a premium to the council to purchase the land so they could complete the Arena.
b) Massive decomtamination costs, somewhat more than originally estimated.
From Arena construction report (free to download from council web site).
SkyblueBazza
Well-Known Member
Well if they haven't learned anything from past dealings with SISU, maybe they will on this if it is true
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SkyblueBazza
Well-Known Member
I don't think Councils can simply block a planning application based on a vindictive basis. So any application would need to be considered, & a reasoned response for granting or refusing provided..."Only if they drop the legals first" wouldn't stand up in Court - which is exactly where SISU would take if they did so
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chiefdave
Well-Known Member
I had a look last night and I can't find anywhere on the council website that shows cabinet approval. Can you point me in the right direction.
Given the time the council have been claimed to be sat on this proposal from the club, something the council haven't denied, I sincerely hope they aren't stalling until they can get an alternative plan together that prevents the site being used for a stadium.
Liquid Gold
Well-Known Member
Let's not play stupid and pretend the council couldn't make things very difficult for the club if they wanted to. 6 weeks for an email reply wasn't it?
Nick
Administrator
There was overdrive of "The council can't block things" but nobody answers when it's pointed out they could make things very difficult.
Will expect there to be a rise over the next few days of that sort of thing. I wonder what the response time was to Wasps with the Higgs?
SkyBlueDom26
Well-Known Member
What pisses me off as desperation kicks in reality disappears and I can’t believe sisu haven’t if they are serious haven’t done oodles of homework and I can’t believe have chosen this site, there’s just about every negative possible,
listed buildings,
Poor infrastructure
Poor public transport
Poor parking,
I’m not anti a new stadium and I don’t care where it is so long as it’s inside Cov. All I want is a proposal that’s for real not just words. There’s been over a year to develop plans, designs, who is building it and timescale. I suspect the EFL will want that too.
In fairness to sisu they didn’t announce this themselves when they do I expect some meat in the bones.
listed buildings,
Poor infrastructure
Poor public transport
Poor parking,
You cannot seriously compare Masseys and it’s traffic with a new stadium first there was a huge car park at the back of the plant and obvious there were two rush hours day and lorry traffic but that grew over time from before the war, starting when there were few cars. Eastern Green estate didn’t exist intil the 70s, I remember that being fields right through to Allesley.
I’m not anti a new stadium and I don’t care where it is so long as it’s inside Cov. All I want is a proposal that’s for real not just words. There’s been over a year to develop plans, designs, who is building it and timescale. I suspect the EFL will want that too.
In fairness to sisu they didn’t announce this themselves when they do I expect some meat in the bones.