clint van damme
Well-Known Member
Anyone kicking off about them holding a football tournament who hasnt uttered a word about them killing Yemenis in their thousands needs to take their moral compass in for a service.
It's not just about money and corruption, which Infantino said he would put a stop to when he was running for the presidency, it is about the human rights abuses, including in relation to LGBT people and women, as well as the complete ignoring of fossil fuels' contribution to the climate crisis.
I'm not sure there are too many gay/trans rights issues in USA for the 2026 tournament
But it's okay as Israel,supported by the West can do as it wishes also and partake in world event's,there is no moral conpass to any of it , I wonder when they get to hold it, they can come under the European banner or the American's also,no?Anyone kicking off about them holding a football tournament who hasnt uttered a word about them killing Yemenis in their thousands needs to take their moral compass in for a service.
There is no moral conpass to any of it ,
Tbh I'd just like to watch football for the love of football, without politics getting involved, football should be about 90 minutes of self indulgence, of passion and enjoyment/heart break, can't we just have a 90 minute window without politics or religion or whatever poking it's nose in?I think it makes campaigns for LGBT equality in the game more important than ever.
A boycott of this tournament in the name of gay and trans rights would be laudable. I also think if you’re keen to make a fuss about gay and trans rights and human rights abuses for this tournament, then you should consider doing the same for the one in 2026. And maybe speaking up for them at home too.
I mean, fair enough if that is your stance (the Saudi World Cup will be delighted to accommodate people like you), but you were the one banging on about hypocrisy and human rights!Tbh I'd just like to watch football for the love of football, without politics getting involved, football should be about 90 minutes of self indulgence, of passion and enjoyment/heart break, can't we just have a 90 minute window without politics or religion or whatever poking it's nose in?
Not sure what you meant by "people like you"I mean, fair enough if that is your stance (the Saudi World Cup will be delighted to accommodate people like you), but you were the one banging on about hypocrisy and human rights!
I mean if you just want to watch football without any political subtext bubbling underneath then you can bet your bottom riyal that Saudi Arabia will do everything they can to make sure no-one is thinking or talking about politics, LGBT issues or human rights abuses (just like Qatar did). They are very much aligned with you on that one.Not sure what you meant by "people like you"
Do you mean that anyone who just wants to watch a football match is automatically a supporter of tyrannical regimes and wants to see human rights violations?
I thought I'd already said that the Saudi world cup was hypocrisy and just about money!
What I'd like to see is the world cup held in any of the numerous countries that are already fully engaged with the sport.
Why not somewhere in Europe, or Australia (in their winter) or South America.
Anywhere where the football infrastructure already exists, and players won't die of heat.
So shouldnt' it go to Australia to help grow the game there then?I mean if you just want to watch football without any political subtext bubbling underneath then you can bet your bottom riyal that Saudi Arabia will do everything they can to make sure no-one is thinking or talking about politics, LGBT issues or human rights abuses (just like Qatar did). They are very much aligned with you on that one.
What's the fascination with Australia? Football is maybe the third most popular sport there at best.
Big stadiaI mean if you just want to watch football without any political subtext bubbling underneath then you can bet your bottom riyal that Saudi Arabia will do everything they can to make sure no-one is thinking or talking about politics, LGBT issues or human rights abuses (just like Qatar did). They are very much aligned with you on that one.
What's the fascination with Australia? Football is maybe the third most popular sport there at best.
Australians don't really care about football - A-League attendances are pitiful, and smaller than they were 10 years ago. Most would rather be watching Aussie rules or rugby.Big stadia
Infrastructure in place
Relatively successful national team
Growing fan base
Never held the tournament in Oceania
etc etc
I just mentioned Australia as they’d bid for it more recently.Australians don't really care about football - A-League attendances are pitiful, and smaller than they were 10 years ago. Most would rather be watching Aussie rules or rugby.
If you care that much about Oceania getting a turn why not give it to Indonesia? Bigger population, more interest in football, and more large football-specific stadia than Australia. Better timezone for European TV markets too. Infrastructure definitely not as good, and wouldn't be as lucrative as an Australia tournament - but the point is to grow the game, isn't it?
Qatar has a population of around 3 million - 90 % are expats. Notions of growing the game there were always laughable.Football was growing in popularity in those countries. Similarly it has been in Australia for a long time.
Qatar demolished the stadia straight after the tournament. Not even a pretence of growing the game there.
I don’t see why bullshit attitudes in other countries mean we can’t work to improve attitudes in our own.
Renouncing Islam while there is also not to be advisedMy point is the "football is for everybody", "no exclusions" etc.
Next minute "By the way, world cup is in this country. Dont be gay here as the maximum sentence is the death penalty.
World body seems different to national bodies,or intercontinental bodies or is it?My point is the "football is for everybody", "no exclusions" etc.
Next minute "By the way, world cup is in this country. Dont be gay here as the maximum sentence is the death penalty.
Damn site more chance of growing football there than Saudi.What's the fascination with Australia? Football is maybe the third most popular sport there at best.
I reckon Gilead will get it before England does again.Genuinely don’t think England will host it in my lifetime, whereas the US will probably have it 3 or 4 times, head chopping oil barons now twice etc etc.
Will it be a Summer event or will they push out to Nov/Dec?Death Star 2054 World Cup
So the alternative is what? Just give up on trying to improve the situation in our own country?My point is the "football is for everybody", "no exclusions" etc.
Next minute "By the way, world cup is in this country. Dont be gay here as the maximum sentence is the death penalty.
no, he means thick peopleNot sure what you meant by "people like you"
Do you mean that anyone who just wants to watch a football match is automatically a supporter of tyrannical regimes and wants to see human rights violations?
I thought I'd already said that the Saudi world cup was hypocrisy and just about money!
What I'd like to see is the world cup held in any of the numerous countries that are already fully engaged with the sport.
Why not somewhere in Europe, or Australia (in their winter) or South America.
Anywhere where the football infrastructure already exists, and players won't die of heat.
Having the previous winners hosting it would be a decent idea.Personal view is that the world cup should be held exclusively in Europe or South America, until a nation from outside of these continents wins it.
The A-League attendances would suggest otherwise. That’s not a knock on Australia, they just prefer other sports, always have.Damn site more chance of growing football there than Saudi.
I thought we wanted England to host it one day?Having the previous winners hosting it would be a decent idea.
A real shame, a World Cup in Australia/New Zealand should of been given instead of Qatar. All the infrastructure already there stadiums transport etc. Money talks, Saudi one of the last places on earth I'd want to visit.Its rigged. FIFA gave applicants 28 days to bid for the event. Australia therefore withdrew.
The stadiums in Saudi are not even built yet.
Indonesia and Malaysia another good shout, not some desert hell hole.Australians don't really care about football - A-League attendances are pitiful, and smaller than they were 10 years ago. Most would rather be watching Aussie rules or rugby.
If you care that much about Oceania getting a turn why not give it to Indonesia? Bigger population, more interest in football, and more large football-specific stadia than Australia. Better timezone for European TV markets too. Infrastructure definitely not as good, and wouldn't be as lucrative as an Australia tournament - but the point is to grow the game, isn't it?
Worse.For all furore over Blatter his replacement is no better.
Australia only have three suitable stadiums over the 40,000 seat threshold. Nothing to say they can't build more. Russia, Qatar, Brazil, South Africa, Japan, South Korea, Germany and France all did that and Saudi are already building theirs now (almost like they knew isn't it!) but with the quick turnaround/stitch up with the bidding process understandably they couldn't commit to doing that. With the 48 team format more are needed than ever before so sadly very few countries can now host on their own.Big stadia
Infrastructure in place
Relatively successful national team
Growing fan base
Never held the tournament in Oceania
etc etc
It’s a stupid rule with the stadium capacity thing. No reason why a country should have to build loads of huge new stadia just to meet it. Should be able to build temporary structures, so long as security and crowd safety is taken care of then it shouldn’t really matter if the capacity isn’t huge.With the 48 team format more are needed than ever before so sadly very few countries can now host on their own.
Of the nine Euros tournaments held/scheduled this century, only three of them have had only one host country.The Euros is better than the World Cup these days anyway. At least they’re held in proper sporting nations. Not petro states in the winter or over 7 countries.
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