not remove a manager who has presided over 5 wins in 30 league games, has not won away two thirds of the way into the season, is managing a team 8 points from safety with teams above us with games in hand and has presided over a team who have scored 7 away goals in 15 away matches this season? I think not.
not remove a manager who has presided over 5 wins in 30 league games, has not won away two thirds of the way into the season, is managing a team 8 points from safety with teams above us with games in hand and has presided over a team who have scored 7 away goals in 15 away matches this season? I think not.
If there was any bite in the weary, battered down fans something could be mobilised to get rid of both. But the giant is not sleeping, it's comatosed. The fight has gone. 25 years of treading league water has killed off all passion and any apipetite for regaining pride has gone.
Any other club would have replaced the players it lost in the summer. Sisu don't care about results, they care about balance sheets
David Moyes seems to manage???
just to be argumentative ........... having those players didnt seem to have made much difference...... come the end of last season - we were still fighting against relegation, losing millions financially, losing supporters, all strangely familiar this season, last season, the season before etc
we can only assume that they may have got us more points and the situation less dire - but evidence of previous seasons suggests we would still be fighting relegation
Moyes has done a fantastic job, in fact pound for pound if you loom at achievement v budget I would say he is the best manager in England.
The thing is there are only a handful of 'special' managers (inc MON) who can make that difference over a sustained period of time. The rest and the vast majority of managers can't do it. It's no coincidence that Moyes is the third longest serving manager in England ( only fergie and Wenger have been in jobs longer) having been in charge from 1 month short of 10 years, which is phenomenal. To put it perspective a manager in the Championship lasts on average 1.92 years, less than 1/5 of the time Moyes has been in charge.
Thing is Stu - it can be done with little to no budget. Look at other teams over the years just in our league for example. Grimsby in 2002, Gillingham 2003 Crewe in 2004, Luton 2006, Sc-unithorpe 2009, Plymouth & Barnsley 2008. That's the point. It’s not mission impossible to stay up but under Thorn were just heading for oblivion.
Thing is Stu - it can be done with little to no budget. Look at other teams over the years just in our league for example. Grimsby in 2002, Gillingham 2003 Crewe in 2004, Luton 2006, Scunthorpe 2009, Plymouth & Barnsley 2008. That's the point. It’s not mission impossible to stay up but under Thorn were just heading for oblivion.
Thing is Stu - it can be done with little to no budget. Look at other teams over the years just in our league for example. Grimsby in 2002, Gillingham 2003 Crewe in 2004, Luton 2006, Scunthorpe 2009, Plymouth & Barnsley 2008. That's the point. It’s not mission impossible to stay up but under Thorn were just heading for oblivion.
Grimsby and Luton have plunged into non-league football as a result of punching above their weight and the overspending attached with that. Crewe are lower league football's conveyer belt, and funded themselves through selling their best players for big bucks; and now find themselves in the bottom tier. Plymouth equally overspent big time in this division and are sat at the bottom of the whole league as a result of it-Scunny got by on Gary Hooper's goals and quickly folded after he was sold. Barnsley I'd admit are coping with a small budget, but haven't set the Championship alight either.
The point is-clubs punching above their weight by relying on the Crewe style conveyer belt system or the Plymouth style overspending will all fall flat-either when the talent stops coming through, or the bank catches up with you. When you look at the backroom staff we employ, and the players we currently have on the books (permanently), it's the sort of thing you'd expect at a 4th tier club. Without a change at the top, L1 will be a struggle, and I dread to think what we'd do if we scraped survival in the CCC-why? Because there's nothing but the absolute bare minimum of footballing staff.
Are you lot too silly to realise all the above teams had smaller gates and less budgets but survived in those years. It can be done.
just to be argumentative ........... having those players didnt seem to have made much difference...... come the end of last season - we were still fighting against relegation, losing millions financially, losing supporters, all strangely familiar this season, last season, the season before etc
we can only assume that they may have got us more points and the situation less dire - but evidence of previous seasons suggests we would still be fighting relegation
But how did AT do with the players last season and how is he doing this season after losing nearly every player from the 1st team he finished last season with? All he is missing with the way he has got the remainder playing is goalscorers. But if he did have goalscorers then SISU would sell them :facepalm:
Losing players is a fact of life - he knew what he was getting into.
David Moyes seems to manage???
Giving Bell and Baker, arguably our two worst players extended contracts, also including playing people out of position, the tactics, which everyone who goes regularly moan about most, bringing players in on loan then playing them out of position, sticking with players who are out of form,like Murphy Clingan.
Quoting in the media, "i don't know why we are losing every week ", "this team is good enough to be much higher in the table", "the boys gave me everything" which they clearly don't, and sticking with Harrison who has been here far too long and brings nothing to the table.
Apart from all the above and the tactics, the team are'nt fit, some players should have been sold to free up money,e.g Bell Baker Clingan , I think Thorns doing a fine job.
The Rev
Thing is people have a go about not having players/bought players, and as a few have said AT says the squad is good enough to be out of the relegation shit we are in.
ever consider he wholeheartedly believes that they are good enough and that he just hasnt been able to find the winning formula. He could actually mean what he says and not be saying one thing but meaning another as some seem to assume.
However he has also stated the need to get more bodies in, and in particular strikers, which would indicate that we're not good enough in that department, which Incidentally is what he says when were good in all the stats with the exception of goals.
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