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dongonzalos · Mar 5, 2017

Otis said:
Worse for me, don, cos I don't enjoy the experience at all but still go.

It's like visiting a sick relative. You don't really want to go, but believe you should be there to offer your support.

Is that genuinely what you think. Do you it go with the hope that today is the day I will see good football and a win. Today is the day we turn the corner? Surely it is that, that draws you I, as oppose to a sense of obligation?

M&B Stand · Mar 5, 2017

Knowing the club is dying is one thing, being there to witness it is another.

Otis · Mar 5, 2017

dongonzalos said:
Is that genuinely what you think. Do you it go with the hope that today is the day I will see good football and a win. Today is the day we turn the corner? Surely it is that, that draws you I, as oppose to a sense of obligation?

Habit as much as anything. Just what I have always done.

It's like when I meet my Mum and Dad in town, which I do every Tuesday. I go when I have absolutely nothing to buy and nothing to do past saying hi.

Most of the time I am there for just half an hour. Quick hello and goodbye.

I haven't enjoyed going up all season apart from the Wycombe game. That's the one game I have enjoyed.

Otherwise it has been a wrench.

hill83 · Mar 5, 2017

Otis said:
Habit as much as anything. Just what I have always done.

It's like when I meet my Mum and Dad in town, which I do every Tuesday. I go when I have absolutely nothing to buy and nothing to do past saying hi.

Most of the time I am there for just half an hour. Quick hello and goodbye.

I haven't enjoyed going up all season apart from the Wycombe game. That's the one game I have enjoyed.

Otherwise it has been a wrench.

That's basically the difference between a die hard supporter and everyone else. I used to think I was die hard, but everyone has their tipping point.
Well, except you by the sound of it!

Otis · Mar 5, 2017

hill83 said:
That's basically the difference between a die hard supporter and everyone else. I used to think I was die hard, but everyone has their tipping point.
Well, except you by the sound of it!

Yeah, but I'm mental.

stupot07 · Mar 5, 2017

dongonzalos said:
Why is he legal point bullshit?
Do you think Wasps would prefer that the legal action stopped?
They have something to hold against us to try and achieve that, you think very lowly of them do you not think they are capable of subtly blackmailing us?
Why do you think they will agree a short term deal?

This has been done to death.

Although I'm sure they would like the legal action stopped (they aren't being sued, they are only an interested party), IMO, they are using it as a convenient excuse (as fans will buy it and hold sisu responsible letting them get off Scott free), to delay talks until thr last minute and put the club in a position where it has no choice but to agree a longer term deal on significantly worse terms (and tied into stadium sponsorship). This isn't about legal noise IMO, this is about wasps trying to get as much £££ as possible.

I believe that if they let the deal run out, the political pressure and general ill feeling towards wasps, will push them to agree another short term deal. I think the bid for city of culture has an impact on this....doesn't look good if the bid 'flag ship business' kicks out the cities historic football club. Add to that that whilst £400k+ money in is only a small % of wasps turnover, every penny counts . also I would expect as much as the CT rightly despises sisu, they will be very vocal against wasps if they kick us out....not going to go down well with prospective sponsors.

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italiahorse · Mar 5, 2017

chiefdave said:
Where have Wasps given even the slightest indication they will talk to the club about any renewal, short term or long term?

They have said they are on hold while the legals are ongoing.
You are making the assumption that because they are not talking they are chucking us out.
You are right to worry but target the blame at Sisu and their pathetic legal battle.

italiahorse · Mar 5, 2017

stupot07 said:
Agreed, still some buy the 'legal noise' bullshit.

I'm not worried though, when push comes to shove, wasps will end up agreeing another short term agreement towards the end of next season.

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...... and in no uncertain terms will up the stakes for a long term deal by upping the rent.
Just hope they get the balance right in respect of understanding what we can afford unlike CCC/ACL who miscalculated by insisting the rent stayed at Championship/PL rates.

dongonzalos · Mar 5, 2017

stupot07 said:
This has been done to death.

Although I'm sure they would like the legal action stopped (they aren't being sued, they are only an interested party), IMO, they are using it as a convenient excuse (as fans will buy it and hold sisu responsible letting them get off Scott free), to delay talks until thr last minute and put the club in a position where it has no choice but to agree a longer term deal on significantly worse terms (and tied into stadium sponsorship). This isn't about legal noise IMO, this is about wasps trying to get as much £££ as possible.

I believe that if they let the deal run out, the political pressure and general ill feeling towards wasps, will push them to agree another short term deal. I think the bid for city of culture has an impact on this....doesn't look good if the bid 'flag ship business' kicks out the cities historic football club. Add to that that whilst £400k+ money in is only a small % of wasps turnover, every penny counts . also I would expect as much as the CT rightly despises sisu, they will be very vocal against wasps if they kick us out....not going to go down well with prospective sponsors.

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Personally I think as an interested party you have to put just as much time effort and more importantly money into it as a claimant.
Also highly unlikely but a possible remedy available to a judge is to reverse the illegal decision that was taken by the public authority.
Wasps have something that the person that is causing that risk to their business wants.

So I don't buy that they are waiting for the legal distraction to go. I think it is a straight blackmail in order to protect their business.
A bit like the blackmail when we were 'forced' to Northampton

I am not so sure Wasps will negotiate, the tiny revenue we give them verses mitigating the cost and risk of the legal action. I think they will hold their nerve.

Also regarding the good will of the public. Most the fans have had enough of SISU taking what they see to be pointless legal action. They also realise the club itself won't benefit from the legal action.

So when Wasps say they will talk once the legal action is out of the way the pressure will fall on SISU to drop it.

Which they won't and I think we will end up playing somewhere poxy, in front of 500 fans. Whilst awaiting SISU to slowly lose JR2 and implinent their plan for minimising the damage of crystalising their losses. 2 years I guess.

oldskyblue58 · Mar 5, 2017

For me knowing that next season would be the last season in Coventry would work the other way for me Otis. They would have made the decision to move away long term and as such the Coventry club I know and support would cease now not in a years time

As for the short term deal at the Ricoh, the club is on public record including in successive sets of signed audited & filed financial statements as saying they have other plans to being at the Ricoh, that they don't want to be there. I see no reason for Wasps to be in a hurry to complete a short term rental deal, and further I see no reason why in those circumstances why they would give up the access to other income streams to CCFC. Any short term deal will be on Wasps terms because of the public attitude and stance taken by the owners and directors of CCFC - frankly they have badly messed up any potential negotiation for the benefit of CCFC at the Ricoh. It is clear from the Wasps financials that the Ricoh doesn't rely on CCFC any more. The "legal noise" is convenient but to be honest do either side need to agree any sort of deal yet? or for a year or so? The next pressure point is being able to sign off the 2017 financials which need to prove the ability to play/trade somewhere past February 2019.

Why is the panic being stirred up in the press about the club leaving now? to what end ? there is plenty of time to do a deal at the Ricoh. Is it an attempt at additional pressure for SISU to drop the JR2 - if so I doubt it will work

ohitsaidwalker king power · Mar 5, 2017

Otis said:
This was to be our last season in the city of Coventry for many a year?

I know there has been a 'will you get a season ticket next year' thread and many said they definitely wouldn't renew, but just wondered if the goalposts move for you if you understood that this would be our last season here? Kicked out by Wasps, having to groundshare again the year after.

I think it would definitely effect my thinking. I have pretty much said I think I probably will renew again next season, but I most definitely would if I thought this was our last season in the city and faced the prospect of a far away groundshare.

Would it change your thinking?

Good question and probably been at the forefront of my thinking regards whether to renew next years ST or not since the latest JR was launched by SISU.
The last chance to watch our team with my son in the city of his birth- quite a sobering and unwelcome thought...how very sad...fvck off SISU!!

MalcSB · Mar 5, 2017

Rusty Trombone said:
Sounds like Wasps are negotiating. The press have reported they have said drop the JR and we can discuss a deal, and Grendel has reported that they have offered a long term deal. So it sounds like we have 2 options to start with, we don't know what the clubs opening offer is though.

Isn't that a bit like blackmail?

clint van damme · Mar 5, 2017

dongonzalos said:
Why is he legal point bullshit?
Do you think Wasps would prefer that the legal action stopped?
They have something to hold against us to try and achieve that, you think very lowly of them do you not think they are capable of subtly blackmailing us?
Why do you think they will agree a short term deal?

it's bullshit because they once said the legals would not stop them negotiating.
Whether you agree with their stance or not they've gone back on what they said previously.

cov1987 · Mar 5, 2017

Otis said:
This was to be our last season in the city of Coventry for many a year?

I know there has been a 'will you get a season ticket next year' thread and many said they definitely wouldn't renew, but just wondered if the goalposts move for you if you understood that this would be our last season here? Kicked out by Wasps, having to groundshare again the year after.

I think it would definitely effect my thinking. I have pretty much said I think I probably will renew again next season, but I most definitely would if I thought this was our last season in the city and faced the prospect of a far away groundshare.

Would it change your thinking?

I would definitely not renew if it was our last season in cov that would make my mind up even more why would I give sisu a pay off I love my team but they can do one.

oldskyblue58 · Mar 5, 2017

clint van damme said:
it's bullshit because they once said the legals would not stop them negotiating.
Whether you agree with their stance or not they've gone back on what they said previously.

I think people & press are reading too much in to it. It is a negotiating position by Wasps nothing more imo. It puts pressure on Fisher & SISU to make a decision, come up with the plan they want. Until they do Wasps have other things to be getting on with - so Wasps have parked things to avoid wasted time and effort. I refuse to get panicked by it with so long left before August 2018.

Judging from past negotiations, things get agreed, then Joy says no, they negotiate again, agree then Joy says no. Wasps are simply not playing that game. Legal noise is convenient as it stands for both sides because it buys both sides time

Rusty Trombone · Mar 5, 2017

MalcSB said:
Isn't that a bit like blackmail?

I don't think so, Wasps appear to have the better hand, it would be odd if they didn't use it to their advantage in a business deal.

torchomatic · Mar 5, 2017

skybluebeduff said:
They're taking the right stance, if my tenant was trying to take me to court, then why on Earth would I agree to an extension on the lease when it runs out? I'd kick the cheeky fucker out..

Even if the "cheeky fucker" was the football team you support? A nice example of putting others before your team. Don't forget to rip up those Wembley tickets when they arrive. NOPM!!

My team always come first. If Wasps refuse to negotiate then Wasps are at fault.

skybluebeduff · Mar 5, 2017

torchomatic said:
Even if the "cheeky fucker" was the football team you support? A nice example of putting others before your team. Don't forget to rip up those Wembley tickets when they arrive. NOPM!!

My team always come first. If Wasps refuse to negotiate then Wasps are at fault.

Oh fuck off you tart. You're getting fucking boring mate. NOPM!! ARGHHH!

oldskyblue58 · Mar 5, 2017

torchomatic said:
My team always come first. If Wasps refuse to negotiate then Wasps are at fault.

Unfortunately though it isn't the team making the decisions to stay, it is London based people who have never prioritised CCFC

torchomatic · Mar 5, 2017

skybluebeduff said:
Oh fuck off you tart. You're getting fucking boring mate. NOPM!! ARGHHH!

Obviously, you've got no morals or principles....

skybluebeduff · Mar 5, 2017

oldskyblue58 said:
Unfortunately though it isn't the team making the decisions to stay, it is London based people who have never prioritised CCFC

Something these people are just so blind to see due to their fascination on other fans instead of the real problem causers of this club.

torchomatic · Mar 5, 2017

oldskyblue58 said:
Unfortunately though it isn't the team making the decisions to stay, it is London based people who have never prioritised CCFC

Sorry yeah, I meant the hedge fund owners of Wasps. And CCFC.

skybluebeduff · Mar 5, 2017

torchomatic said:
Obviously, you've got no morals or principles....

You haven't though mate, don't try sugar coating your blindness to fact and truth.

torchomatic · Mar 5, 2017

skybluebeduff said:
You haven't though mate, don't try sugar coating your blindness to fact and truth.

I know because i bought a season ticket for the team I've followed for 45 years. Meanwhile you on your white charger weren't attending because you had the principles and morals I and others you attacked apparently lacked. Now we get to Wembley your morals and principles seem to be in tatters like mine.

At least, unlike you, I didn't bring your kids into it like you did with mine. Pretty despicable. You're just a hypocrite with morals when it suits. You're in good company though, you're a growing band of brothers in the "do as i say not as i do" club.

Explain to me and fellow CCFC fans what I have personally done (and my son) that shows i lack morals and principles.

dongonzalos · Mar 5, 2017

clint van damme said:
it's bullshit because they once said the legals would not stop them negotiating.
Whether you agree with their stance or not they've gone back on what they said previously.

I am sure they probably have gone back on their original stance.
That doesn't mean their current stance is bullshit?
The legal action costs them money, time and actually also threatens their business, if by some freak chance SISU win.
They have a lot of damn good reasons why it's not bullshit that they will use dropping the legal action as a gateway to negotiations. Without setting themselves up for further legal action by coming out and directly saying it.

skybluebeduff · Mar 5, 2017

torchomatic said:
I know because i bought a season ticket for the team I've followed for 45 years. Meanwhile you on your white charger weren't attending because you had the principles and morals I and others you attacked apparently lacked. Now we get to Wembley your morals and principles seem to be in tatters like mine.

At least, unlike you, I didn't bring your kids into it like you did with mine. Pretty despicable. You're just a hypocrite with morals when it suits. You're in good company though, you're a growing band of brothers in the "do as i say not as i do" club.

Explain to me and fellow CCFC fans what I have personally done (and my son) that shows i lack morals and principles.

I didn't need an explanation because I simply couldn't care less what you do. Same as others, I honestly couldn't give a shite. The future of this CLUB is important to me, not the players that come and go. It isn't rocket science, we have nothing whilst SISU remain here.

I have also mentioned how many times that i've spent more money watching this club this season than the average 'home' supporter, I fucking entitled to Wembley mate, stop preaching that bollocks.

dongonzalos · Mar 5, 2017

torchomatic said:
Even if the "cheeky fucker" was the football team you support? A nice example of putting others before your team. Don't forget to rip up those Wembley tickets when they arrive. NOPM!!

My team always come first. If Wasps refuse to negotiate then Wasps are at fault.

CCFC are not a football team Wasps support

CharlesMore · Mar 5, 2017

chiefdave said:
Where have Wasps given even the slightest indication they will talk to the club about any renewal, short term or long term?

BBC CWR's Clive Eakin stated on Friday nights phone in that he had spoken to Wasps rugby club with regards to the City extending their tenure at the Ricoh, they said there has been no approach to extend the deal beyond next season.

Warwickhunt · Mar 5, 2017

dongonzalos said:
Why is he legal point bullshit?
Do you think Wasps would prefer that the legal action stopped?
They have something to hold against us to try and achieve that, you think very lowly of them do you not think they are capable of subtly blackmailing us?
Why do you think they will agree a short term deal?

Depends if they are worried about the outcome of Jr2 if everything is as it should be then there is no reason to not renew our tenure

AVWskyblue · Mar 5, 2017

skybluebeduff said:
They're taking the right stance, if my tenant was trying to take me to court, then why on Earth would I agree to an extension on the lease when it runs out? I'd kick the cheeky fucker out..

So if you personally were pulling the strings at wasps you would kick ccfc out?

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torchomatic · Mar 5, 2017

skybluebeduff said:
I didn't need an explanation because I simply couldn't care less what you do. Same as others, I honestly couldn't give a shite. The future of this CLUB is important to me, not the players that come and go. It isn't rocket science, we have nothing whilst SISU remain here.

No of course you don't need an explanation. It's easier just to throw accusations at people questioning their morals. You don't have to prove it, just post it. I'm sure it gives you a thrill of some kind.

You "couldn't care less" but spend a lot of time throwing accusations at fellow fans and even their kids. Nice.

skybluebeduff · Mar 5, 2017

torchomatic said:
No of course you don't need an explanation. It's easier just to throw accusations at people questioning their morals. You don't have to prove it, just post it. I'm sure it gives you a thrill of some kind.

You "couldn't care less" but spend a lot of time throwing accusations at fellow fans and even their kids. Nice.

A lot of time, I said it once didn't I?, about a month ago? and you still keep bringing it up like it personally affected your life?, unlucky. Let it go, move on, do you honestly give a fuck?

Gosford Green · Mar 5, 2017

clint van damme said:
it's bullshit because they once said the legals would not stop them negotiating.
Whether you agree with their stance or not they've gone back on what they said previously.

That was JR1, that had nothing to do with them. JR2 involves them hence there position now.

torchomatic · Mar 5, 2017

skybluebeduff said:
A lot of time, I said it once didn't I?, about a month ago? and you still keep bringing it up like it personally affected your life?, unlucky. Let it go, move on, do you honestly give a fuck?

No you've said it a few times. In the autumn. But even once is too much. I would never question the morals of someone i didn't know and especially not their kids.

EDIT: One of the reasons I haven't moved on as far as you're concerned is your hypocrisy - not just you, others too. You've slagged people off for attending then attend yourself. I don't have an issue with any fan who wants to attend games or go to Wembley even if they haven't attended since 1987, the more the merrier - the club needs fans to attend, they are needed now more than ever It's just the hypocrites like yourself who get to me. Anyway, time to "move on".

Gosford Green · Mar 5, 2017

What totally fucks me off is Wasps are getting an easy ride.

If SISU stop the legal action and put in a PR savvy negotiating team there's a chance of a decent deal for the club. The last thing Wasps need is bad PR and CCFC's team could exploit this.

Protests with the intensity shown by SOME of our fans at Northampton but now outside the Ricoh when Wasps play, confrontation football types getting in the faces of their posh and fickle Warwickshire fans is Wasps worst night mare.

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