rob9872
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How is it a bargain? Please don't quoe the fabricated inflated £104m build that has no rekevance.
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How is it a bargain? Please don't quoe the fabricated inflated £104m build that has no rekevance.
Mr Creosote
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Agreed....Their hardball tactics are working really well so far....
@richh87
Member
It really would be a bargain. The land around the stadium comes with it too doesn't it? Who / what's to say there'd be no revenue streams? I don't think we've got these details right.
To those defending SISU, we need to see the back of them if we are to behave as a club our size should, and show the ambition that a club our size should.
Leicester and Cardiff are constantly bailed out by takeovers and are the same size as us - time for people to stop crying about how SISU are "the only game in town" - seriously it's pathetic. Prospective owners of clubs don't go around shooting their mouths off about how they're planning to buy football clubs - they come out of the woodwork once a club is actually available.
A club of our size has never gone to the wall, and we certainly won't be the first to do it. We don't have external debtors with exception of 1.3mil to ACL - which could be covered by selling players.
SISU put us in league last year by ripping our squad apart - God knows what the hell they were thinking. Supporting City under SISU is death by a thousand cuts. This misery needs to end - and SISU aren't going to end it by changing tactics and suddenly splashing the cash.
The sooner evil Joy and SISU are gone the better.
J
Jack Griffin
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The same old made up nonsense spouted again, jan has been told a figure & it isn't anything like that. If you have a source for this in a media report then please link it..
The torchy, Mr Creosote, rob9872 lurve fest is touching though, repeat the line and again & again...
rob9872
Well-Known Member
I assume that you are able to understand that admin does not mean the end of sisu? The companies are separated in the same way the ground is from the club. Thisvaction can only do us harm and sisu will still be running the show and we are 1 points worse off. I fail to understand how anyone can think this is still a good idea.
Bluegloucester
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Rob, IF we go into admin it will be the administrator running the show, not Sisu
rob9872
Well-Known Member
It will for footballing matters which means deducted points and loan players returned, but any remaining assets are separated. However as I understand itthe company that owes the rent is not the one that holds the league registration. Hopefully when someone like osb58 is around he can confirm either way.
Bluegloucester
New Member
The FL does not allow a club to pick and choose where the golden share and player registrations sit since Southampton tried this and failed. Likewise the rental agreement, otherwise they would not have exclusive rights to the stadium. Everything is subject to administration.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
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Grendel
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They can stop is voluntarily exiting admin by this action.
Bluegloucester
New Member
Agreed, negotiating with a wounded hedge fund principal won't be fun.
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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This thread was devoid of logic some hours ago. The grown ups had a debate Grendel was unable to participate in. Since then, I've had a fine meal with engaging friends whilst he's indulged his swollen and misguided mantra with those prepared to indulge the tittle-tattle of his far-reachrd fantasies and you have indulged his errant mind for a Saturday evening which appears wasted.
Don't bother. Go out. Find folk with logic and ambition. Your time is wasted with this disciple of the Fisher
Don't bother. Go out. Find folk with logic and ambition. Your time is wasted with this disciple of the Fisher
Bluegloucester
New Member
Stayed up to watch the cricket, it's raining so nothing better to do.
Never spoken a truer word. I did the same this evening....the contrast is quite bewildering!!
Iknow, over 8,000 posts too, propping up an anonymous hedge fund.
Imagine sharing a drink with him.:facepalm:
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
I don't usually resort to this but there are pious wankers on here.
Iknow, over 8,000 posts too, propping up an anonymous hedge fund.
Imagine sharing a drink with him.:facepalm:
Mary_Mungo_Midge
Well-Known Member
How do you wank piously? Is it to do so in the belief that the resultant gentleman's-relish is better than everyone else's?
scroobiustom
New Member
"To wank piously", the catholic priest said to the little boy, is to give enjoyment to the servant of god in the house of god...
Flying Fokker
Well-Known Member
What a thought! My porridge has become less palatable now.
Grendel
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BrisbaneBronco
Well-Known Member
Got to agree with u on this one.
CCFC_GT
New Member
THIS ....
Post by Westofrayne on CET website:-
[ "Sorry all who think this is good news, unlike most clubs that go into administration the club has no assets, so why would anybody want to invest in a club that has no assets, a ridiculous rent agreement for a stadium it cannot fill and no match day income other than ticket sales which are nose diving at an alarming rate.
The Council, SISU and ACL have all contributed to this situation, but we need to remember it all started a long time ago with Bryan Richardson and the then board who spent everything and way more when we were in the Prem.
Relegation than left us in the Championship, with no ground and massive debts, so for some inexplicable reason the then board signed a rent agreement with ACL that even a child could see was not workable, it has spiralled downwards from there.
We all need to look back a few years, we were within an hour and liquidation, SISU stepped in, yes in the hope of making money by buying the stadium and thenthe land around it for a leisure complex, and if this happened maybe things would be different today. At that time there was nobody else interested in the club, so why would anybody be today.
I go back to my first point, who in their right mind will want to buy the club,unless they own the stadium, have access to match day revenues and maybe have plans for the wider area. CCFC as a business with the current rent agreement and not owning the stadium could not be a going concern, unless 25,000 people attended the matches each week. Therefore no business or investors are going to want to invest and save the club.
I want to believe there is a positive way out of this, but the 3 parties in question who hold all the cards will never agree a plan no matter what happens, for ACL to start saying now they have best interest of CCFC in mind is far from the truth, they want to recover money that is owed to them, I don't blame them for this but I wish they wouldn't try and fool the fans. All three parties have tried it over the last few years, sorry but it's just lies, no business is really interested in the fans, they are only interested in balance sheets,that's life we all have to get used to it.
If/When we go into Administration, please all remember the administrator willbe attempting to sell the club as a going concern, this will be very difficult with the current circumstances and I believe we all need to be ready to see the club wound up, please don't believe the dribble spouted in the media that itwill be like "Rangers" that's BS, if a new club is formed it will be formed way down the pyramid as per AFC Wimbledon.
Whatever happens it's we the fans that suffer most, I'm a proud CCFC support who moved down to Essex 17 years ago, I promised my wife that I would not have another ST, but I lied! my two children (15, 11) both are Season Ticket holders and have been since they were 5 years old, I myself am a Private Seat Licence Holder, so I think I have the right to remove my seat at the end of the season and bring it back next season if there is a club and are still playing at the Ricoh!!
I love this club, have put my money upfront each and every year, but feel so let down at the moment, hopefully there may be a positive outcome to this but I'm not holding my breath.
City Till I Die" ]
Post by Westofrayne on CET website:-
[ "Sorry all who think this is good news, unlike most clubs that go into administration the club has no assets, so why would anybody want to invest in a club that has no assets, a ridiculous rent agreement for a stadium it cannot fill and no match day income other than ticket sales which are nose diving at an alarming rate.
The Council, SISU and ACL have all contributed to this situation, but we need to remember it all started a long time ago with Bryan Richardson and the then board who spent everything and way more when we were in the Prem.
Relegation than left us in the Championship, with no ground and massive debts, so for some inexplicable reason the then board signed a rent agreement with ACL that even a child could see was not workable, it has spiralled downwards from there.
We all need to look back a few years, we were within an hour and liquidation, SISU stepped in, yes in the hope of making money by buying the stadium and thenthe land around it for a leisure complex, and if this happened maybe things would be different today. At that time there was nobody else interested in the club, so why would anybody be today.
I go back to my first point, who in their right mind will want to buy the club,unless they own the stadium, have access to match day revenues and maybe have plans for the wider area. CCFC as a business with the current rent agreement and not owning the stadium could not be a going concern, unless 25,000 people attended the matches each week. Therefore no business or investors are going to want to invest and save the club.
I want to believe there is a positive way out of this, but the 3 parties in question who hold all the cards will never agree a plan no matter what happens, for ACL to start saying now they have best interest of CCFC in mind is far from the truth, they want to recover money that is owed to them, I don't blame them for this but I wish they wouldn't try and fool the fans. All three parties have tried it over the last few years, sorry but it's just lies, no business is really interested in the fans, they are only interested in balance sheets,that's life we all have to get used to it.
If/When we go into Administration, please all remember the administrator willbe attempting to sell the club as a going concern, this will be very difficult with the current circumstances and I believe we all need to be ready to see the club wound up, please don't believe the dribble spouted in the media that itwill be like "Rangers" that's BS, if a new club is formed it will be formed way down the pyramid as per AFC Wimbledon.
Whatever happens it's we the fans that suffer most, I'm a proud CCFC support who moved down to Essex 17 years ago, I promised my wife that I would not have another ST, but I lied! my two children (15, 11) both are Season Ticket holders and have been since they were 5 years old, I myself am a Private Seat Licence Holder, so I think I have the right to remove my seat at the end of the season and bring it back next season if there is a club and are still playing at the Ricoh!!
I love this club, have put my money upfront each and every year, but feel so let down at the moment, hopefully there may be a positive outcome to this but I'm not holding my breath.
City Till I Die" ]
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CJparker
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I certainly don't love ACL - but I do trust them more than SISU and will support them in any effort to get rid of SISU.
What really grates is that some fans criticise ACL for not giving away concessions for free, as if CCFC is entitled to revenue streams, lower rent etc. I'm not a fan of ACL, I'm a fan of logic and reason - so people getting angry demanding things just annoys me
What really grates is that some fans criticise ACL for not giving away concessions for free, as if CCFC is entitled to revenue streams, lower rent etc. I'm not a fan of ACL, I'm a fan of logic and reason - so people getting angry demanding things just annoys me
Sky Blue Kid
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CCFC_GT says.... unless 25,000 people attended the matches each week. Therefore no business or investors are going to want to invest and save the club.
At the time of the takeover we were getting "Mid £20k attendances"....why did these gates dwindle?...I'll tell you....Within 12 months of buying Dann and Fox they were sold at a vast profit(This being within 18 months of takeover)....A couple of months later after no replacements, we started getting 2 or 3 injuries, at which Coleman was quoted, in the CET as saying..."With these injuries we're on the bones of our backsides" Between Coleman and Hoofroyd we sold..let go...and kicked out approx 20 players. Finally you say.....
I go back to my first point, who in their right mind will want to buy the club,unless they own the stadium, have access to match day revenues and maybe have plans for the wider area. CCFC as a business with the current rent agreement and not owning the stadium could not be a going concern, unless 25,000 people attended the matches each week. Therefore no business or investors are going to want to invest and save the club.
SBK says.....Why did SISU bother in the first place?:facepalm:
At the time of the takeover we were getting "Mid £20k attendances"....why did these gates dwindle?...I'll tell you....Within 12 months of buying Dann and Fox they were sold at a vast profit(This being within 18 months of takeover)....A couple of months later after no replacements, we started getting 2 or 3 injuries, at which Coleman was quoted, in the CET as saying..."With these injuries we're on the bones of our backsides" Between Coleman and Hoofroyd we sold..let go...and kicked out approx 20 players. Finally you say.....
I go back to my first point, who in their right mind will want to buy the club,unless they own the stadium, have access to match day revenues and maybe have plans for the wider area. CCFC as a business with the current rent agreement and not owning the stadium could not be a going concern, unless 25,000 people attended the matches each week. Therefore no business or investors are going to want to invest and save the club.
SBK says.....Why did SISU bother in the first place?:facepalm:
If exposing dogma, bullshit and hypocrisy makes me a "pious wanker" so be it.
I'll never yield and I've also got an enduring memory.
torchomatic
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Bluegloucester
New Member
I think you will find our average attendance when Sisu tookover was 18k to 19k
Grendel
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The only thing you expose is a lack of ability to argue any points with clarity.
BackRoomRummermill
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I cant wait for the real facts to come out. It will defo leave some omlette on face of a few on here LOL
Sky Blue Kid
Well-Known Member
The average was a little higher than that mate.
v Cardiff = 15.260...lowest.
Blackpool..15.803
Barnsley..16.449
Watford..17.032
Burnley..17.342
4 other games were 18k+
3 other games were 19k+
v Wolves =27.992... highest.
games above 20k...
Hull..21.059
Bristol..21.538
Sheff UTD..20.355
Palace..22.134
Leicester..23.139
Stoke..20.249
Wolves..27.992
Not including League Cup.
v West Ham UTD..23.968
Not including FA Cup.
v WBA..28.163
v Millwall..17.268
Ergo average definately well above 23k
ajsccfc
Well-Known Member
If only four games that season were above 23k the average would fall below 23k.
http://www.emfootball.co.uk/attend2008.html Average league attendance is listed there at 19123
http://www.emfootball.co.uk/attend2008.html Average league attendance is listed there at 19123
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Doubtful this will ever happen. In any case my motivation is not to be proved right, simply not interested.
Important that the club can somehow try and distance itself from the sins of its erstwhile "benefactors"
Can't see how this can happen without starting over.