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Nick · Jun 16, 2017

I'd give people who can't work due to obesity through non illness a gym membership and tell them to crack on because they aren't getting any benefits. They are the worst, it's not actually a disability or a reason to not work.

I'd try and push healthy eating too, maybe grants to startup takeaways who do healthy food.

Sort all of the easy things like that and it will start saving money on benefits, NHS etc. Definitely not give them a mobility scooter just because they are fat.

clint van damme · Jun 16, 2017

Grendel said:
Well then they adjust their lifestyle to reflect.

It would perhaps be a good idea for those who talk about poverty to actually understand what the word actually means. They should take a walk down a township in Africa or the streets of Mumbai.

The problem I'm afraid is that a lot of people expect in their base needs things only attained through actual accumulation of wealth and complain if they haven't got it. If they want a better lifestyle get a better job

The first thing that needs to be done is an actual reduction in the welfare state. Not the pretend reduction this government has done.

The welfare system should be a safety net and not a lifestyle choice and benefits should reduce for long term users.

High rate tax bands should be heightened considerably to encourage middle classes to spend money. Real tax breaks offered to those who opt out the state health and education systems, restriction on university places so to ensure a higher quality degree, return of grammar education, ban on drag hunting, ban on any form of animal experimentation, far higher prison sentences for animal neglect.

There that's a start to a better country where all people can have self respect

I agree with the comparison of poverty in this country compared to certain other countries.
As for several of your other policies they just won't fly. Not everyone in life is a high achiever, if they were, who would do the unskilled jobs?
The world needs cleaners, shop assistants etc.
Why do you think Grenfell Tower exists in the middle of Kensington? The only way to reduce the welfare state, (which isn't actually that big in this country compared to other developed nations), is to ensure menial jobs pay a living wage and everyone has access to affordable housing. Something you disagree with.

No problem with you thoughts on animal cruelty but bizarre when lined up against policies which stick the boot into certain sections of human society.

Liquid Gold · Jun 16, 2017

Universal basic income

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 16, 2017

bringbackrattles said:
What's Thomas Hardy done to incur your wrath ?

Oppressed waif meets sexually deviant rich person who likes smoking phallic cigars with red hot throbbing tips. Rich man abuses position to oppress put-upon bint. All turns out alright-ish at the end (depending on your perspective!), after much melodrama and wailing.

That could be the plot for any of his novels... then he went and wrote some even worse poetry!

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 16, 2017

Nick said:
obesity through non illness

Does psychological issues count as an illness however, because I'm pretty sure nobody *wants* to be bed-ridden and 40 stone.

Otis · Jun 16, 2017

Rich said:
Ahh balls. I thought I was dreaming.

This keeps happening you know. I think I'm having a dream about arguing on SBT and I then realise the CC4L actually is real.

Even CC4L doesn't believe CC4L is real.

Nick · Jun 16, 2017

Deleted member 5849 said:
Does psychological issues count as an illness however, because I'm pretty sure nobody *wants* to be bed-ridden and 40 stone.

Well yes, mental illness would count!

Doesn't have to be bed ridden etc, plenty of other issues could probably be solved by losing a bit of weight and trying to be fitter and healthier. That then frees up doctors surgeries, hospitals etc.

lifeskyblue · Jun 16, 2017

I would have a syndicalist approach to running the country: for example local schools running themselves, electing one or two members from the school to join the education committee of the local authority to make city wide education policy. From that group a couple elected to a regional committee for education...and from there the national committee. Same for health, social services, police, utilities and transport. That way strategy and decisions governed by those with expertise in the sector.
I would redress the pay inequality between those occupations we rely on in time of need (nurses, doctors, police, firemen etc)...with those we don't.
I would insist that no one in an organisation earns more than 5times the lowest paid in that organisation. If fat cat bankers don't like it then they are welcome to go elsewhere or increase the pay of their cleaners etc.
For those unemployed, genuinely looking for a job, then their benefits should reflect their previous worth. Those not looking for work should receive benefits in kind (i.e. Food/clothing vouchers etc rather than cash in hand).

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richnrg · Jun 16, 2017

I'd set up the 'Logans Run' party (with one slight rule change, allowing me to live)

Otis · Jun 16, 2017

richnrg said:
I'd set up the 'Logans Run' party (with one slight rule change, allowing me to live)

If we do a Logan's Run policy we should start with fat bald people and those with ginger hair and flip flops.

Sick Boy · Jun 16, 2017

Liquid Gold said:
Universal basic income

Absolutely.

Sick Boy · Jun 16, 2017

Adopting the Euro in Earlsdon would be my first policy.

Kingokings204 · Jun 16, 2017

I would close the gap between the rich and the poor for a start. It's too big now and ought to be dealt with. Make the tax system simpler and fairer for all even high earners and of course brexit means brexit.

vow · Jun 16, 2017

bringbackrattles said:
I'm still trying to work out what Brexit means !

Joking apart, I only recently worked it out, I think it's British Exit?

clint van damme · Jun 16, 2017

when each sitting government was coming to the end of its term I would make them explain in detail any undelivered manifesto pledges with bans from running from office for those deemed responsible.

Sick Boy · Jun 16, 2017

* Make it illegal for politicans to intentionally mislead the public
* End media bias
* Tax unhealthy food and drink
* Guaranteed Universal income
* Nationalise key public services
* Increase the number of bank holidays to bring the country in line with other European countries
* Abolish private schools
* Properly invest in key services and pay the providers properly

Terry Gibson's perm · Jun 16, 2017

Career politicians and politicians who swap parties for career development.

I would ban people owning dozens of houses
Move the Houses of Parliament to a disused airfield and build hotels/dormitories for the MPs to stop in so no need for second homes and popping the balloon of London house prices, this will be far more secure for them.

bringbackrattles · Jun 16, 2017

Deleted member 5849 said:
Oppressed waif meets sexually deviant rich person who likes smoking phallic cigars with red hot throbbing tips. Rich man abuses position to oppress put-upon bint. All turns out alright-ish at the end (depending on your perspective!), after much melodrama and wailing.

That could be the plot for any of his novels... then he went and wrote some even worse poetry!

I thought you were on about Ivana meeting Donald Trump !

Sky Blue Kid · Jun 16, 2017

Nick said:
Well yes, mental illness would count!

Doesn't have to be bed ridden etc, plenty of other issues could probably be solved by losing a bit of weight and trying to be fitter and healthier. That then frees up doctors surgeries, hospitals etc.

Like if all the drug addicts, Alcoholics and Terrorist extremeists in the UK stopped taking drugs, drinking, and blowing up innocent civilians you mean?

Grendel · Jun 16, 2017

Sick Boy said:
* Make it illegal for politicans to intentionally mislead the public
* End media bias
* Tax unhealthy food and drink
* Guaranteed Universal income
* Nationalise key public services
* Increase the number of bank holidays to bring the country in line with other European countries
* Abolish private schools
* Properly invest in key services and pay the providers properly

Abolish private schools. Lol where will the labour MPs send their kids.

Oh and where is the extra £7 billion a year coming from to fund draconian class envy.

Grendel · Jun 16, 2017

Liquid Gold said:
Universal basic income

That's in place a minimum wage.

clint van damme · Jun 16, 2017

Grendel said:
That's in place a minimum wage.

it's not the same thing.

Malaka · Jun 16, 2017

I do not like political parties. There are some things I am conservative about, I'm quite liberal about other things and have some socialist values and worry about the environment. I would ban them. Every MP should be independent and not have to vote with the whip on party instructions, MP should be able to vote freely with their conscience for the people that they represent.
After the elections a leader should be appointed and then a chancellor etc and all ministries should be ran by committees with people who are experts in their field. I mean FFS the current cabinet reshuffles how can you move from one ministry to the next and expect to be an expert?
This way politicians can take a long term view instead of five years of sticking your finger in a dam and doing a number until the next election. That is major problem that we have no long term consesus

SkyblueBazza · Jun 16, 2017

Grendel said:
Well then they adjust their lifestyle to reflect.

It would perhaps be a good idea for those who talk about poverty to actually understand what the word actually means. They should take a walk down a township in Africa or the streets of Mumbai.

The problem I'm afraid is that a lot of people expect in their base needs things only attained through actual accumulation of wealth and complain if they haven't got it. If they want a better lifestyle get a better job

The first thing that needs to be done is an actual reduction in the welfare state. Not the pretend reduction this government has done.

The welfare system should be a safety net and not a lifestyle choice and benefits should reduce for long term users.

High rate tax bands should be heightened considerably to encourage middle classes to spend money. Real tax breaks offered to those who opt out the state health and education systems, restriction on university places so to ensure a higher quality degree, return of grammar education, ban on drag hunting, ban on any form of animal experimentation, far higher prison sentences for animal neglect.

There that's a start to a better country where all people can have self respect

Perhaps all MPs & board members ought to be forced to live in the manner & financial constraint of the lowest paid workers for a month every 3yrs as a reality check too...you know - those that spout ' fair days pay for a fair day's work'???

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clint van damme · Jun 16, 2017

Grendel said:
Abolish private schools. Lol where will the labour MPs send their kids.

Oh and where is the extra £7 billion a year coming from to fund draconian class envy.

class envy FFS. We live in a society which idolises wealth and demonises poverty and a symptom of that is the potentially 100 plus dead people in London and you call it class envy.
Pity it wasn't a fox you'd have been down there protesting alongside them.

SkyblueBazza · Jun 16, 2017

Grendel said:
The issue is though there are always disabled people who require benefits. There is no excuse for anyone being unemployed in this country beyond 12 months - no excuse at all.

Hope you never end up having to eat those words.
Made redundant twice & ok I found work much quicker than many do. But there is quite a spectrum of 'types' down at the job centre...& I agree that some 'types' need a good shake-up & their attitude changing. Our benevolent society tends to forbid that for those that need it most.

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SkyblueBazza · Jun 16, 2017

Nick said:
I'd give people who can't work due to obesity through non illness a gym membership and tell them to crack on because they aren't getting any benefits. They are the worst, it's not actually a disability or a reason to not work.

I'd try and push healthy eating too, maybe grants to startup takeaways who do healthy food.

Sort all of the easy things like that and it will start saving money on benefits, NHS etc. Definitely not give them a mobility scooter just because they are fat.

Yep...absolutely...some of the 'types' I referred to actually HAVE jobs...but still a bad attitude too

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Grendel · Jun 16, 2017

SkyblueBazza said:
Perhaps all MPs & board members ought to be forced to live in the manner & financial constraint of the lowest paid workers for a month every 3yrs as a reality check too...you know - those that spout ' fair days pay for a fair day's work'???

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Why? Everyone can be an MP

Grendel · Jun 16, 2017

clint van damme said:
class envy FFS. We live in a society which idolises wealth and demonises poverty and a symptom of that is the potentially 100 plus dead people in London and you call it class envy.
Pity it wasn't a fox you'd have been down there protesting alongside them.

If you actually want education Standards to improve for the general population why would you insist on everyone entering a failed Stalinist comprehensive system and reduce the spend per pupil?

It's nonsense. I've spent £270,000 on school fees and you'd rather I didn't and made the tax payer find money to pay to educate my children.

Why?

clint van damme · Jun 16, 2017

SkyblueBazza said:
Hope you never end up having to eat those words.
Made redundant twice & ok I found work much quicker than many do. But there is quite a spectrum of 'types' down at the job centre...& I agree that some 'types' need a good shake-up & their attitude changing. Our benevolent society tends to forbid that for those that need it most.

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Spent a year on benefits at the start of the nineties. Shit time and was skint but benefits ensured we kept our house.
I would never deny anyone the right to that safety net. Since then I've paid plenty in tax, particularly in the last 6 or 7 years but I won't complain about that, for me that's how it works, it's mutually beneficial.
OK, some people take the piss, but you don't pull down the whole system because of a few.

clint van damme · Jun 16, 2017

Grendel said:
If you actually want education Standards to improve for the general population why would you insist on everyone entering a failed Stalinist comprehensive system and reduce the spend per pupil?

It's nonsense. I've spent £270,000 on school fees and you'd rather I didn't and made the tax payer find money to pay to educate my children.

Why?

I didn't say get rid of private schools. Personally I wouldn't. I wouldn't deny people their right to get their children a private education though I would remove their VAT exception and charitable status.

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 16, 2017

clint van damme said:
I didn't say get rid of private schools. Personally I wouldn't. I wouldn't deny people their right to get their children a private education though I would remove their VAT exception and charitable status.

I would.

It isn't as simple as get rid of private schools, raise tax, but the whole function of society should be to spend money on everyone, rather than just self-centred self-interest.

skybluedan · Jun 16, 2017

Anyone suspected of terrorism or preaching against this country boot them out , and make weed legal and free rizla on the national health

Grendel · Jun 16, 2017

clint van damme said:
I didn't say get rid of private schools. Personally I wouldn't. I wouldn't deny people their right to get their children a private education though I would remove their VAT exception and charitable status.

Which would result in most closing as parents couldn't afford the fees. Which means more burden on the taxpayer.

Most "private" schools are actually grammar schools that were abolished under the grammar school educated Shirley Williams. Most parents borrow scrimp and save to send them. Some very poor children attend with bursaries up to 90%

Who in their right mind thinks it's a sane strategy to send most of these back to a taxpayer funded system.

Grendel · Jun 16, 2017

Deleted member 5849 said:
I would.

It isn't as simple as get rid of private schools, raise tax, but the whole function of society should be to spend money on everyone, rather than just self-centred self-interest.

Brilliant. deny the freedom of choice for any individuals and support the mediocrity of the masses

Seriously fucking grow up

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