I have to admit the partisan atmosphere was great. Made a change from the soulless bowl we normally have.Coming all that way to watch their team win away - the poor souls.
They knew anyway, there were a group of them in The Mill discussing the protests before the game. The whistles were kept from everyone, including our own supporters, for obvious reasons.
Anyhow, I was speaking to a Sheff United fan who is a customer earlier today, said it was the best away day he'd had in ages.
If the away fans buy into what we are trying to achieve great, if they don't they don't. It's a pity, but I don't see why we need to concern ourselves with the sensibilities of visiting fans when we're on our own turf.
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Until they hit a point where they have to start putting money in themselves as there is no value in their asset. At which point they will do as much damage as possible to the club and go bust. This will prob take another year or two.
On the other hand we can fill the ground keeping them afloat in league 1 and 2 while they mismanage and string it out for the next 15 years hoping they get lucky with a couple of loan players and make it out of the spiral of decline (hasn't happened in the last 9), and then go bust doing as much damage as possible to the club.
Option 1 please.
Nick
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So it isn't the same thing then is it?
Still waiting for you to explain things from the other threads, you do realise that just by saying things like "wake up" and "penny drop" without being able to actually explain them yourself just makes you look a bit silly.
Nick
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Yes, the option with the club going bust. Sensible choice.
chiefdave
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I surely don't need to explain that the owners of a business benefit from you giving money to that buisness? Really?!
I can see why you don't understand the basics now if you can't even read two paragraphs correctly. If you read it again you might realise that both options involve going bust. Sensible reading.
Nick
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You haven't explained it?
You keep saying "surely i dont have to explain" and trying to make others look stupid.
How does me giving my money to CCFC for a ticket get to SISU and not CCFC?
Nick
Administrator
Not very good sarcasm. It doesn't make sense.Yes,I was commenting about both options going bust
Nick
Administrator
It was about both options with the club going bust.
You are making yourself sound stupid by pretending you don't know how adding value to a company doesn't benefit its owners.
Nick
Administrator
No, I need you to explain to me how me buying my ticket the money gets to SISU.
Can you make it simple for me?
I'll be honest with you Nick by asking this question you are losing all credibility in what you say on here. You are either very bored and looking for a cheap bite or you really haven't got a clue about CCFC's whole predicament. It's a shame because occasionally you make a good point.
Nick
Administrator
No, I am asking you to explain it.
If I go and buy a season ticket like I did, how is my money going to SISU and not to CCFC?
You can keep saying about my credibility and me not having a clue, which is why I am asking you to explain in simple terms.
Don't worry we all make mistakes.
ccfcway
Well-Known Member
don't want to join in on this, but surely any transaction you make to CCFC will sit on SISU's P+L as income through CCFC ?
Its not going from your pocket into Joy's, but its going to one of her businesses ?
Is that not the case ?
Nick
Administrator
Yes, it's going to CCFC.
Surely the profit and loss is then for CCFC, rather than SISU?
Senior Vick from Alicante
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Grendel
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Well yes actually. As there are no share dividends and also no money going out the club. Also the financial commitment is really with high risk investment portfolios.
So yes please explain how the actual stakeholders (which sisu are not) are taking money from people paying to watch the club.
ccfcway
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I'll let you have the last word on this one and wont respond to any response, but for me (and the accountants) , CCFC are a SISU company, so its semantics to discuss who its going to, it sits on SISU's balance sheet as income to CCFC and SISU, in the same way that the players wages sit as outgoings for CCFC and SISU. Im not suggesting they are taking money out of CCFC, but that money sits with them on their P&L
Nick
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The outgoings would just be for ccfc for the wages wouldn't they? Sisu won't be book keeping every transaction as well.
Ccfc will be a company, then the link would be dividends, interest between them wouldn't it?
ccfcway
Well-Known Member
as I said, you can have the last word on that one. Doesn't affect me if your right or wrong, as personally, I don't look at it like I am funding SISU when I go to games, I look at it like I am supporting my team. My biggest issues is that as the months go by, it doesn't feel like my team anymore
Nick
Administrator
I'm not trying to have the last word, just genuinely discussing it.
I'd think twice if my money is going to sisu and not ccfc.
Senior Vick from Alicante
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So where do the management fees get paid too? Surely these fees come out of your season ticket or a contribution from it at least. This is before any of the so called profit we are supposed to be making this year.
lifeskyblue
Well-Known Member
What I genuinely don't understand is that If SISU don't make big money from us and they have stripped the assets and many think Stevenson will be sold next month what do they see in having us part of their portfolio. They are ruthless business men and women and being associated with us doesn't stack up with that.
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Nick
Administrator
When were management fees last paid?
Why is it osb can't seem to find anything? Would this not be massive news and a boost for a boycott if people can be shown how their money goes to sisu and not ccfc?
ccfcway
Well-Known Member
We are worth nothing to them if they sell, we are worth all the investment on the books at the moment. Break even allowed them to have the CCFC asset on the books
lifeskyblue
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Nick
Administrator
What's that got to do with the post you quoted?
cloughie
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yes apologies wrong thread
Nick
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AStonesThrow
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Just watching the liverpool game. Maybe we should let off flares through the Bolton game 
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