George Thomas (4 Viewers)

[bawtryneal]

It was a mixture of the team / wages and running the club wasn't it?

Of course because TF and SISU dont take any money of of the club. They do it all for free and the love of CCFC.

 

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[Nick]

Of course because TF and SISU dont take any money of of the club. They do it all for free and the love of CCFC.

TF could well do, directors are paid. Never disputed that based on his "word" anyway.

Where's all the money going then?

 

[Colin Steins Smile]

if he'd offered him a 12 month contract this time last year this board would have been in melt down.

The Thomas contract situation is a reflection on the tight financial situation the club is in. The club has limited themselves to relatively short term contracts to reduce the business risk. During better times the club was able to commit to longer term contracts for developing talent...and that is what we are seeing from the Premier league clubs who tie up young players on long term deals and speculating a return on 10-20% of these players either playing 10-12 games a season or being sold on within the contract time.
Whilst, I'm no fan of the current leadership. The choices they have to make in trying to run the club on a very limited budget can mean they miss opportunities to maximise transfer income returns

 

[ccfcway]

Ashley fletcher goes to Middlesbrough for £6.5m.

crazy money for some transfers

 

[Skyblueweeman]

The Thomas contract situation is a reflection on the tight financial situation the club is in. The club has limited themselves to relatively short term contracts to reduce the business risk. During better times the club was able to commit to longer term contracts for developing talent...and that is what we are seeing from the Premier league clubs who tie up young players on long term deals and speculating a return on 10-20% of these players either playing 10-12 games a season or being sold on within the contract time.
Whilst, I'm no fan of the current leadership. The choices they have to make in trying to run the club on a very limited budget can mean they miss opportunities to maximise transfer income returns

Is it really a reflection of our financial situation though?? We offered a contract (which will be an increase on what he was on), but an EPL club offers more, then his head will obviously turn towards them. You're kind of right in as much as our financial situation being a L2 club but it's not like we've not offered him improved terms as we're a basket case of a club. A distinction between the two exists.

And your point about previously offering longer terms to developing talent...I don't have to hand what we've previously offered to youngsters coming through from the academy. All I've seen this Summer though is getting the majority of our signings in on 2yr contracts which is a refreshing change from the 1yr deals or season long loans.

 

[Seamus1]

Did the club not tie Ben Stevenson down to a 4 year deal only in October?

Before February, I doubt many would have shed much of a tear at George Thomas leaving or not being offered a new contract (to be honest I would not be too bothered if he left any way even now), as his performances up to that point were poor.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Of course because TF and SISU dont take any money of of the club. They do it all for free and the love of CCFC.

Accounts signed off by CCFC, checked by an independent company and then reported by the Telegraph show no money isn't taken out of the Club - unless you can show us otherwise that everyone else has missed?

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

He should be given the weekend to finally say yes or no, this faffing about isn't good for total concentration on the preparation for the season.
Sort yourself out Thomas, a decent half a season doesn't suddenly make you Neymar

 

[MatthewWallis]

Accounts signed off by CCFC, checked by an independent company and then reported by the Telegraph show no money isn't taken out of the Club - unless you can show us otherwise that everyone else has missed?

That's a double negative, 'no money isn't taken' means it is

 

[mrtrench]

That's a double negative, 'no money isn't taken' means it is

I'd say it meant that all the money is taken.

 

[Captain Dart]

Accounts signed off by CCFC, checked by an independent company and then reported by the Telegraph show no money isn't taken out of the Club - unless you can show us otherwise that everyone else has missed?

Lots of money flows out of the club, the £4.3M wages element is clear enough but the accounts do not itemise exactly what the £1.2M direct operating costs and £1.9M administrative expenses were spent on. Plenty of scope to hide a few benefits.

 

[rupert_bear]

Yet again this is mis-management of our football club, you do not allow young players to slip out of contract. These players have been nertured through the youth system since as young as 9, they blossom into young progidays and should they move on our club has the whip hand on any fee, I'm not saying Thomas is the next Lineker or Shearer but he has to start somewhere and from a slow start he did start to grab a few goals, get a bit of international experience too now he will be given away

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Yet again this is mis-management of our football club, you do not allow young players to slip out of contract. These players have been nertured through the youth system since as young as 9, they blossom into young progidays and should they move on our club has the whip hand on any fee, I'm not saying Thomas is the next Lineker or Shearer but he has to start somewhere and from a slow start he did start to grab a few goals, get a bit of international experience too now he will be given away

But we offered him a new contract. He's not signed it.

Had we offered him a 4 yr deal last year when 99% of fans thought he wasn't much cop, we would've been castigated for wasting money on someone unproven. Damned if you do, damned if you don't...

Ever heard about the correlation of players upping their games as they get towards the end of their contracts?



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[shmmeee]

But we offered him a new contract. He's not signed it.

Had we offered him a 4 yr deal last year when 99% of fans thought he wasn't much cop, we would've been castigated for wasting money on someone unproven. Damned if you do, damned if you don't...

Ever heard about the correlation of players upping their games as they get towards the end of their contracts?



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I'd buy this if he was in his late 20s on his third club, but hes been on a journey through from the academy and last year was his breakthrough season. Even if he didn't make it last year another season would've been likely. His wages wouldn't have been loads, we aren't taking a 4 year deal for David Bell situation here. Do you really think people would've been bitching had we kept a kid on for an extra year?

 

[Nick]

I'd buy this if he was in his late 20s on his third club, but hes been on a journey through from the academy and last year was his breakthrough season. Even if he didn't make it last year another season would've been likely. His wages wouldn't have been loads, we aren't taking a 4 year deal for David Bell situation here. Do you really think people would've been bitching had we kept a kid on for an extra year?

Like Jack Finch? If we gave Thomas an extra year and he broke through the same would happen.

 

[Adge]

I'd buy this if he was in his late 20s on his third club, but hes been on a journey through from the academy and last year was his breakthrough season. Even if he didn't make it last year another season would've been likely. His wages wouldn't have been loads, we aren't taking a 4 year deal for David Bell situation here. Do you really think people would've been bitching had we kept a kid on for an extra year?

David Bell!:bored:

 

[Grendel]

I'd buy this if he was in his late 20s on his third club, but hes been on a journey through from the academy and last year was his breakthrough season. Even if he didn't make it last year another season would've been likely. His wages wouldn't have been loads, we aren't taking a 4 year deal for David Bell situation here. Do you really think people would've been bitching had we kept a kid on for an extra year?

So you think every 19 year old whose not actually looked capable of a first team place should be offered a deal -- "just in case"? Do you think Thomas at present is worth twice what Cian Harris was sold for -- have you thought this through?

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

Yes, no players have signed with us since those players went and there's been no signing on fees, agents fees etc etc.

Surely even a SISU apologist can see there's no way our squad has not had 2/3 million pound pumped in after player sales.

Our 'business model' as Fisher likes to brand it, is a total shambles. Name any other business which annually sells all of its key assets and still expects to operate at the same performance and profit level...?

If your favourite restauraunt told its chef to do one, sold all of its ovens, hot plates, pots pans and said to you don't worry because we've bought an Albanian microwave, a second hand Hoover and found some oven gloves down an alley, would you still expect the same quality meals?

 

[Warwickhunt]

Surely even a SISU apologist can see there's no way our squad has not had 2/3 million pound pumped in after player sales.

Our 'business model' as Fisher likes to brand it, is a total shambles. Name any other business which annually sells all of its key assets and still expects to operate at the same performance and profit level...?

If your favourite restauraunt told its chef to do one, sold all of its ovens, hot plates, pots pans and said to you don't worry because we've bought an Albanian microwave, a second hand Hoover and found some oven gloves down an alley, would you still expect the same quality meals?

OMG you must use the same curry house I go to!

 

[Nick]

Surely even a SISU apologist can see there's no way our squad has not had 2/3 million pound pumped in after player sales.

Our 'business model' as Fisher likes to brand it, is a total shambles. Name any other business which annually sells all of its key assets and still expects to operate at the same performance and profit level...?

If your favourite restauraunt told its chef to do one, sold all of its ovens, hot plates, pots pans and said to you don't worry because we've bought an Albanian microwave, a second hand Hoover and found some oven gloves down an alley, would you still expect the same quality meals?

Who has said all of it? Thats why I also said into running the club and covering losses.

Keep frothing though

 

[mark82]

Lots of money flows out of the club, the £4.3M wages element is clear enough but the accounts do not itemise exactly what the £1.2M direct operating costs and £1.9M administrative expenses were spent on. Plenty of scope to hide a few benefits.

I thought the accounts broke those down a bit further a few pages on? I might be wrong, I only glanced over them.

 

[mark82]

Of course because TF and SISU dont take any money of of the club. They do it all for free and the love of CCFC.

TF is an employee of the football club so assume he gets a salary.

 

[Captain Dart]

I thought the accounts broke those down a bit further a few pages on? I might be wrong, I only glanced over them.

Lot of detail isn't there.. there is also a more detailed list of costs amounting to about £783K under the heading "Operating loss on ordinary activities" but otherwise no detail of what monies were spent on. Clearly there are significant costs to run the club but unless they are presented at a reasonable level of detail they could be paying for a wide range of unidentified services.

 

[Nick]

Lot of detail isn't there.. there is also a more detailed list of costs amounting to about £783K under the heading "Operating loss on ordinary activities" but otherwise no detail of what monies were spent on. Clearly there are significant costs to run the club but unless they are presented at a reasonable level of detail they could be paying for a wide range of unidentified services.
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You mean you have no idea but will try and make it out to suit

 

[higgs]

How much did we get from Swansea for cian Harris?

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[oldskyblue58]

Accounts signed off by CCFC, checked by an independent company and then reported by the Telegraph show no money isn't taken out of the Club - unless you can show us otherwise that everyone else has missed?

The accounts provide no evidence that's quite correct. It should be good evidence but is no guarantee. Reporting by CT is no evidence or guarantee at all

 

[Nick]

Apparently turned down their first offer, they haven't come back with another....

Makes you wonder how much interest there is if they don't want to pay / tribunal.

 

[Skybluefaz]

It look like they'll go to the tribunal expecting it to be a lower fee than coming in with a second bid. I imagine if they've spoken to GT he's made it clear he wants to go to Leicester and you can understand why. It's annoying that it's lingering on though, just piss off now.

 

[torchomatic]

Well, the only consolation is we've got another month until the window closes but it would have been ideal if he'd either committed or gone by now. I've lost count of the signings we've made. Didn't Robins say he wanted ten (or was it twelve?) new players or something? How many short are we of that?

 

[Nick]

Well, the only consolation is we've got another month until the window closes but it would have been ideal if he'd either committed or gone by now. I've lost count of the signings we've made. Didn't Robins say he wanted ten (or was it twelve?) new players or something? How many short are we of that?

We have signed 9 so far, I assume we will get 1 or 2 proper signings then loans once Turnbull, Reid and GT do one.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

We have signed 9 so far, I assume we will get 1 or 2 proper signings then loans once Turnbull, Reid and GT do one.

If they go teams don't seem to be breaking the door down to sign any of them

 

[oucho]

If they go teams don't seem to be breaking the door down to sign any of them

And given the way they played for most of last season, who can blame other clubs for not breaking down said door?

 

[Grendel]

If they go teams don't seem to be breaking the door down to sign any of them

In the case of Reid most clubs will be using re-enforced steel to keep him out.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Apparently turned down their first offer, they haven't come back with another....

Makes you wonder how much interest there is if they don't want to pay / tribunal.

For once not taking the money and running.
If they want him then they should pay if not, we can keep him make him better and up the price.
For once they are doing the right thing.

 

[Nick]

For once not taking the money and running.
If they want him then they should pay if not, we can keep him make him better and up the price.
For once they are doing the right thing.

Rings the police about LAST's kidnapping and identity theft.