Go on then, how does this end? (1 Viewer)
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Grendel
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I think king would sack him if he thought we won’t improve and we need to win in our next 3 - if we lost to stoke and didn’t beat millwall or Plymouth the heat is turned up considerably
Wouldnt that likely cost the club £3m to do that to pay up his contract…..not that I’m advocating they do that at all
We sit way too deep, mainly because of Fadz lack of pace. Just invite pressure on to us. The minute we step upe got away with it last year because Hamer could drive us out and Gyok made it stick almost every time it was sent forward.
Interesting just read on Twitter that only three teams played with 3 centre backs this weekend in the championship. All 3 failed to win and all 3 are in the bottom 5, us, Sheff Wed and Huddersfield.
Robins was on about building a new team in the summer and how he’s done it before. Well this new team needs a new formation. 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 please.
Interesting just read on Twitter that only three teams played with 3 centre backs this weekend in the championship. All 3 failed to win and all 3 are in the bottom 5, us, Sheff Wed and Huddersfield.
Robins was on about building a new team in the summer and how he’s done it before. Well this new team needs a new formation. 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 please.
Sick Boy
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There’s no chance of us offloading Wright, I don’t see why some seem to think it’s even a possibility.
Wright HAS to be given more of a chance. We can’t just get rid of our most expensive signing after half a season. Also, it’s not football manager. At the moment we wouldn’t recoup anywhere near what we paid for him. Play him consistently with the right strike partner (Simms not Godden) and see what happens. I’ve been the first to moan about him but won’t completely write him off.
No chance
I tend to agree. I think the only issue for OHare and his agent is his recent injury. If he decides not to sign for us or anyone else in Jan and then his knee goes in April he will have zero income for 12 months and 2 bad injuries in 3 years will put many off when he goes return …..
…… it’s a big game of chicken for him but if I were advising him I’d tell to sign for someone in January.
Alkhen
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We'll pick up, strengthen in January and finish just outside playoffs.
This season was always going to be 'after the lord mayor's show' granted it's been worse than I could imagine but the changes were pretty huge. The league is way stronger with a good chance the Prem teams just yo-yo straight back up. Steady the ship, bed in the new guys and build a midfield ready for next season.
Dull I know.
This season was always going to be 'after the lord mayor's show' granted it's been worse than I could imagine but the changes were pretty huge. The league is way stronger with a good chance the Prem teams just yo-yo straight back up. Steady the ship, bed in the new guys and build a midfield ready for next season.
Dull I know.
oscillatewildly
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Along with other Cure songs - Disintegration, Lost, The Walk and Boys Don't Cry. I'd add Friday I'm In Love but it's evidently gonna be more a case of Sunday or Monday evening that we'll have to embrace as of next season.
The Philosopher
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Fadz does well with quick “kids” along side
him who have faster reaction times and do as they are told. Fadz aided by Doyle last year was constantly guiding him and Doyle had the pace to cover.
Thomas is bit more of a bruiser, slow to jockey and cannot turn as quick and is probably a bit less likely to take instruction. Kitching I’m unsure of.
Lati is more nimble and Binks reads the game well. Fadz with Thomas doesn’t work - they seem too similar.
Lati Fadz Binks with Thomas back up for Fadz and Kitching and even Bidwell for Lati/Binks is the best back 3 IMO.
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Doyle was a very good player but he did not have any pace. Thomas is nowhere near the same quality but is quicker.
Saddlebrains
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SlowerThanPlatt
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If he had his way Zain Westbrooke and Jodi Jones in the box behind Kyle Hudlin
Alkhen
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And why would anyone want rid of our top scorer? Madness.
Will keep pointing out the fact he has already done way better in his first season in the championship than Vik
Wright has 718 on field mins so far this season, that is just under 8 games total. 4 goals and 1 assist isn't too bad.
Cov kid 55
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Yep, I got that
That's pretty impressive considering he has been in and out of the team. Simms was far better yesterday but I don't get why people keep saying they are happy with him but so vitriolic about Wright. Simms has made 16 appearances for us now and has scored in only one of them.
I hope the goals and hopefully a run of starts will give Wright confidence to become a big player for us. I liked Simms effort yesterday, which felt like the first time he really showed intent. His lack of goals though is really worrying. He needs to show yesterday's positivity every match and hopefully the goals will come.
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skybluepm2
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I still have every faith in Robins to turn this round, he’s done so time after time in the past. The irony this time is that he’s spunked a load of cash on players who were meant to take us to the next level and soften the blow of losing our 2 superstars.
chopping and changing every week isn’t helping the cause, and I was surprised that Sakamoto was dropped yesterday for the non existent Ayari. Defensively we are an utter shambles. I’m assuming the likes of Kitching and Thomas were brought in to be moulded and develop over a long term basis, but the problem is we need them to be ready now… particularly when our usually dependent oap finally looks to be coming to the end of his career at this level.
however, I don’t see how we can play a settled team or formation when there is a pile of shit making unforced errors game after game.
You can attribute a lack of confidence combined with the ‘time to gel’ notion all you like, but the latter is never going to happen when we aren’t consistent in our lineup/layout.
For what he’s achieved I for one hope he is given the chance to see the project through. Muddle through to January, hopefully in mid-table and bolster a couple of key positions to give us half a chance of an exciting second half of the season.
Wouldn’t be opposed to a flat back 4 of MVE, Bidwell, Binks and Lati for the foreseeable. Sheaf and Kelly/Eccles, COH, Saka, Palmer/Allen behind Wright who I think may come good. Simms had a decent cameo yesterday too.
The championship this season looks a completely different prospect to last, on paper there are no gimmies whatsoever. Confident we will get there albeit finishing mid-table.
chopping and changing every week isn’t helping the cause, and I was surprised that Sakamoto was dropped yesterday for the non existent Ayari. Defensively we are an utter shambles. I’m assuming the likes of Kitching and Thomas were brought in to be moulded and develop over a long term basis, but the problem is we need them to be ready now… particularly when our usually dependent oap finally looks to be coming to the end of his career at this level.
however, I don’t see how we can play a settled team or formation when there is a pile of shit making unforced errors game after game.
You can attribute a lack of confidence combined with the ‘time to gel’ notion all you like, but the latter is never going to happen when we aren’t consistent in our lineup/layout.
For what he’s achieved I for one hope he is given the chance to see the project through. Muddle through to January, hopefully in mid-table and bolster a couple of key positions to give us half a chance of an exciting second half of the season.
Wouldn’t be opposed to a flat back 4 of MVE, Bidwell, Binks and Lati for the foreseeable. Sheaf and Kelly/Eccles, COH, Saka, Palmer/Allen behind Wright who I think may come good. Simms had a decent cameo yesterday too.
The championship this season looks a completely different prospect to last, on paper there are no gimmies whatsoever. Confident we will get there albeit finishing mid-table.
fernandopartridge
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stupot07
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Indeed, Doyle was arguably even slower than Fadz in a foot race
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shmmeee
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It clicks. I’ve seen enough to think that and I think one or two signings in Jan even if it hasn’t clicked by then would make a huge difference.
We’re 15 games in and don’t know our best formation let alone our best XI. Second half yesterday had the feel of one of those watershed moments where Robins is forced into something that works. Hopefully they’re all at Ryton this week honing that, particular a back four.
The GK situation is hopeless. Utterly hopeless, but the rest of the team I can see a way forwards.
Defence we just need to find out CB pairing and stick to it. Fullbacks can be changed according to need/form. Can’t make out the Barnsley Boys, but they all look pretty crap, but I think whoever gels as a pairing we keep. Fadz to move to coaching
Midfield we looked OK second half, obviously missing a CM who hopefully will come in in Jan. Personally I’d flog O’Hare then if we can and bring in another AM and send Ayari back. But if not Allen, Saka, Palmer and O’Hare are OK for that 10 spot/3rd CM. Even if they don’t have a final ball between them.
Strikers we’ll be OK. Wright now has the Godden mantle of “scores goals so fuck it” with the advantage of not being able to be beaten by me in a foot race. Simms is looking better and better TBH and I think just needs a run. Ideally we’d get one more in Jan, even if just a loan.
No idea when it’ll break but it will. We are in the games far far more than first season up, and have far better players, over a season this isn’t close to a relegation team.
I actually wonder a little bit if a clean break from the “old guard” might be best for everyone long term and this is just a messy transition period.
We’re 15 games in and don’t know our best formation let alone our best XI. Second half yesterday had the feel of one of those watershed moments where Robins is forced into something that works. Hopefully they’re all at Ryton this week honing that, particular a back four.
The GK situation is hopeless. Utterly hopeless, but the rest of the team I can see a way forwards.
Defence we just need to find out CB pairing and stick to it. Fullbacks can be changed according to need/form. Can’t make out the Barnsley Boys, but they all look pretty crap, but I think whoever gels as a pairing we keep. Fadz to move to coaching
Midfield we looked OK second half, obviously missing a CM who hopefully will come in in Jan. Personally I’d flog O’Hare then if we can and bring in another AM and send Ayari back. But if not Allen, Saka, Palmer and O’Hare are OK for that 10 spot/3rd CM. Even if they don’t have a final ball between them.
Strikers we’ll be OK. Wright now has the Godden mantle of “scores goals so fuck it” with the advantage of not being able to be beaten by me in a foot race. Simms is looking better and better TBH and I think just needs a run. Ideally we’d get one more in Jan, even if just a loan.
No idea when it’ll break but it will. We are in the games far far more than first season up, and have far better players, over a season this isn’t close to a relegation team.
I actually wonder a little bit if a clean break from the “old guard” might be best for everyone long term and this is just a messy transition period.
BlueSkiesForever
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I genuinely think if we want to be a consistently top 6 side for Doug’s 5 year plan then he needs to be spending another £15 million+ on this team. It’s full of potential but there’s not enough creativity or experience in the team at the moment, and it’s not a given that the potential we see in some of the players actually comes to the fore. We need a proper quality box-to-box midfielder, decent keeper, maybe an O’Hare replacement if he goes, probably another CB for when Binks goes and McFadz retires, maybe a winger that can dribble well if we go to 4 at the back.
There seriously needs to be a lot more quality in this team than we currently have, it’s nowhere near top 6 level, absolutely nowhere near it.
There seriously needs to be a lot more quality in this team than we currently have, it’s nowhere near top 6 level, absolutely nowhere near it.
The Philosopher
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I recollect differently and thought he was on his toes and quick to react, Thomas is a lot more physical so maybe I’m deceived. Either way, most teams only play one big physical player up front and a Fadz type player is often needed for that duel. Doyle and McNally seemed more adept with the quicker players. Just my view.
JSL
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King has to take some blame for not having a plan to replace Hamer having took the cash and no replacement lined up. Its glaringly obvious that the team is lacking as a result of that loss and all the fiddling around with formations is a desperate measure to patch it up and failing. I also think it was a mistake not to have signed McNally, regardless of the price. I believe in MR but he can only work with what he's got.
You keep saying Simms needs a run in the team. He has featured in every single match and until the last two had started in five ir six on the trot I think.
shmmeee
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That was his first sort of run. And all bar two he came off with twenty mins to go, once despite being on a hatrick.
He’s played the least minutes of the three.
And yet we still have no idea if he should be a lone striker, or partnered with Godden, or partnered with Wright, or out wide…
sixfoursix
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We showed some of the old fighting spirit 2nd half yesterday, that's what has been lacking in some recent games. If MR can just get his favoured team and formation right, and stick to it, we will be top half I reckon. It's fine to change the team and formation when driven by a match plan but I get the feeling we change for the sake of it.
Balli001
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We didn't. We put wright central and played van ewijk and simms as wider forwards
MusicDating
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This is an interesting take -
oscillatewildly
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I honestly think this season will end (regardless of position) with Robins still not having found or settled on his best starting eleven/formation.
This will be further 'complicated' by January window acquisitions.
I don't anticipate a 'gelling' process, more one akin to a 'muddle'.
This will be further 'complicated' by January window acquisitions.
I don't anticipate a 'gelling' process, more one akin to a 'muddle'.
