clint van damme
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She should be shot. She's deliberately ruined so many lives.
Panorama - post office scandal (2 Viewers)
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She should be shot. She's deliberately ruined so many lives.
Ive not seen the documentary or drama, but aware of the story obviously….so maybe what I’m about to say has been mentioned so please comment if I’ve got this wrong… but What I can not fathom is how no-one at the time, be it in the post office or police thought “hang on, there’s 700 postmasters all at it? Not just one or two bad eggs? Is this right? Are we sure it’s not the computers?”
Common sense surely would suggest that something like this couldn’t possibly have happened on such a scale without being a mental co-ordinated serious organised crime issue?
Common sense surely would suggest that something like this couldn’t possibly have happened on such a scale without being a mental co-ordinated serious organised crime issue?
clint van damme
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They kept telling the individual post masters that they were the only ones it was happening to even though they knew it wasn't the case.
They were protecting their expensive new software package.
rob9872
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Be great news for the genuinely 1 or 2 bad eggs that got off with the collective on a technicality. Every cloud
Nick
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Yeah that's the thing, it was before social media so couldn't just go on the post master group and ask.
It wasn't until that journalist realised he had heard the story somewhere else from people writing to him. (Old school)
clint van damme
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The thing is, if some little scrote had caused this much misery for so many people there'd be calls to lock him up for life.
Vennells is facing calls to have her CBE taken off her, it fucking stinks.
David O'Day
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fujitsu keep getting post office IT contracts as well
clint van damme
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They still use Horizon to this day.
Bad that isn’t it… wankers.
Sky Blue Pete
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Absolutely right
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Makes you really angry that they value the reputation of their software package than the actual human beings they employ.
Even then it's mind-boggling stupidity that those high up didn't think that legal proceedings against all these people would end up biting them on the arse. Individuals should be being held accountable for it ever having got to that stage.
clint van damme
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I agree, though its not really bit them on the arse, they've got away with it.
The wrong accused postmasters still bearing the brunt
SBAndy
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My knowledge of this prior to the series just shown was fairly limited, but I sit here wondering why Post Office didn’t just turn on Fujitsu? If you’ve signed a contract/licence with them which (unless added for dramatic effect) includes their in-house maintenance and then it comes to light that those IT workers may be acting nefariously, then surely you’d be having them in court as well.
clint van damme
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Because governments and corporations don't turn on each other, they punch down and victimise the little man and woman.
fernandopartridge
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The contract was probably a load of shite like many major IT ones are
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tisza
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Post office has spent over 100 million defending these cases when it was obvious they knew things were wrong.
Ruined people's reputations and lives. There's been bankruptcies, jail time and suicides.
Inevitable there's been cover-ups and other illegal practices with various parties trying to hide the truth. Those guilty should be facing prison.
Ruined people's reputations and lives. There's been bankruptcies, jail time and suicides.
Inevitable there's been cover-ups and other illegal practices with various parties trying to hide the truth. Those guilty should be facing prison.
better days
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The investigating and legal team at the Post Office were on bonuses based on the amount they screwed out of the sub-postmasters
Whoever devised that scheme should be on criminal charges alongside plenty of others at the Post Office & Fujitsu
Whoever devised that scheme should be on criminal charges alongside plenty of others at the Post Office & Fujitsu
clint van damme
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ITK at CCFC and the post office, impressive.
tisza
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Bonus schemes like this tend to mean proper oversight goes out the window
Post Office Scandal: Strip Paula Vennells of her CBE
I just signed the petition calling on Paula Vennells, the former CEO of the Post Office to be stripped of her CBE. Will you sign too?
you.38degrees.org.uk
JAM See
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I'll not be signing this.Post Office Scandal: Strip Paula Vennells of her CBE
I just signed the petition calling on Paula Vennells, the former CEO of the Post Office to be stripped of her CBE. Will you sign too?
Petitions like this are scapegoating individuals, as if the concept of "Empire" based honours are somehow still worth something.
The whole empire based system is stupid and should be scrapped.
I'll sign a petition for that.
*Edit : Alan Bates turned down an "honour" this year. Fair play to the man.
Sky Blue Pete
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Do so then
JAM See
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On it. Will you sign?
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep
There's been plenty of coverage of it before now.
It’s a fair criticism but there have been plenty of outlets covering it, without much pickup from readers/audiences.
Astute
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Wife binge watched this last night. I was hooked after 10 minutes.
The main part missed by most is those who should be keeping an eye on things like this are also the owners. So the owners want it kept quiet. The British government and Post Office have been able to keep it quiet for years by making people sign disclaimers.
But now with the outcry and courts being involved they will have to be, and will be, impartial. This is a lot bigger than most could imagine. There's going to be some big names involved. Two different governments in place. Is that why neither of them are campaigning for justice?
Fraud is a serious crime. Can come with a long sentence. And worse has happened. If people from the Post Office and governments don't get long prison sentences it will show how corrupt the system is. How can someone get time for an alleged theft without proof when the people making up the evidence get less?
The main part missed by most is those who should be keeping an eye on things like this are also the owners. So the owners want it kept quiet. The British government and Post Office have been able to keep it quiet for years by making people sign disclaimers.
But now with the outcry and courts being involved they will have to be, and will be, impartial. This is a lot bigger than most could imagine. There's going to be some big names involved. Two different governments in place. Is that why neither of them are campaigning for justice?
Fraud is a serious crime. Can come with a long sentence. And worse has happened. If people from the Post Office and governments don't get long prison sentences it will show how corrupt the system is. How can someone get time for an alleged theft without proof when the people making up the evidence get less?
