I agree Taylor's got stitched up a bit by his VAR colleague, but why did he ref his first championship league game in 6 years if not a 'demotion'?There needs to be massive improvements for sure but just taking the Anthony Taylor example...
He was deceived by a player diving or, at best, exaggerating contact. He gave what he saw which on first viewing, live & at full speed seemed reasonable.
The VAR, Jared Gillet looks at it, from multiple angles & in slow motion, decides that there was contact & doesn't even ask Taylor to look again. So whose error is it really? VAR's surely? I won't go into the conflicting VAR protocol which enables this.
The press then create false stories that Taylor has been 'demoted' because of it whilst Gillet referees a PL game & the diving player is being lauded as "clever" for deceiving the official...
And they haven't really helped themselves by then giving him the Chelsea v Man C game. They've invited post like this -
This fella regularly speaks directly with PGMOL, they confirmed he was not demoted.
Taylor also has a Champions League game this week.
Doing his first EFL game in 5 years the week after a major incident was always going to raise eyebrows and you can understand people putting 2 and 2 together. If I was Taylor I'd be annoyed that my bosses haven't ever mentioned any planned rotation or corrected the many apparently incorrect demotion stories.
Most of the top PL officials only do 1 or 2 per year (excluding big Playoff games etc.) plus Taylor is often refereeing in Europe as well so probably not that unusual. When did Michael Oliver last do a regular EFL game?
Amazing how the pile-on seems to die down on here when the questionable decisions go our way. Don't tell me fans are only really interested in refereeing standards when decisions go against them!
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We really really wouldn’t. I’ve never asked for a pen when there’s blatantly no contact.
I’d bet that more than half of teams in the league say the same
Did anyone call for the referee to be demoted or suspended afterwards? I assume so for such a consequential mistake.
So he deserved to be, but we still didn’t call for it, is that what you’re saying?
Yes, yes it can. I'm not apposed to the automated offside thing that they used in the world cup!
I'm actually not apposed to VAR it's just the deployment of it really, in an ideal world you would just use it for absolute howlers.
Feels like offsides and “is the ball over the line” type stuff should be solvable with tech to a good enough standard now. I think beyond that, I’d limit VAR somehow and then push hard that the refs word is final outside of that. Absolute injustices like the pen last game should have some level of in game check available. Whether that’s managed by only using it for pens when the ref isn’t 100%, I don’t know. I don’t know how you can have a bit of VAR without clubs wanting it for everything. Maybe it is best without.
Would prefer a review system like in other sports, for things like penalty awards and controversial goals.
Goal-line technology works great, and could presumably be replicated for offsides, although clearly the technology isn’t there yet. But anything that involves a subjective decision can’t be fixed 100% of the time with VAR - all it means is that the ‘wrong’ decision (i.e the one that pisses off one of the two sets of fans involved) just takes longer to make.
If it was up to me I’d get rid of VAR altogether, but now the toys are out of the box it’s very hard to put them away again, and there’s clearly a large portion of fans who actively want the game to be stopped, slowed down, and overturned if they think it might mean more decisions going their way.
why do we always get the Premier League referees and assistants when they come down! they are so reliant on VAR they cannot make a decision and we seem to get a bad decision that costs us a goal,
Leave offsides out of it, the game worked perfectly well allowing the officials to make a judgement based on their view of the game at the time. Some of the VAR offside decisions are overly scientific for a set of rules designed to be applied by a human contemporaneously.
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Yeah but equally feels like something that you could either completely automate or assist a lino with tech.
TBH I’d go back to clear offsides only. Most offsides feel a bit picky. But
Really only pens and red cards TBH as the game is stopped anyway. But then it would just encourage players to complain and hope it’s overturned on review and we probably need players respecting refs a lot more not less.
Robins has basically said they've admitted it wasn't a penalty and that these mistakes are adding up
