Rugby World Cup 2023 (2 Viewers)

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Brighton Sky Blue

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A pity really that the best Scotland team in quite some time will have to play gooseberry to these two while a pretty pedestrian England will get through.
 
SkyBlueSoul

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
A pity really that the best Scotland team in quite some time will have to play gooseberry to these two while a pretty pedestrian England will get through.
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Tbf that's more to do with the draw being held immediately after the last world cup and based off the world rankings at the time. Then it's just shit luck when you look at the pots.

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SkyBlueSoul

SkyBlueSoul

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Looks like that's them out in the group stages which is very funny. Most likely gives us Fiji in the QFs though which is less funny.
 
SkyBlueSoul

SkyBlueSoul

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Great end to the weekend, Australia losing heavily at anything will never not be funny.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Not watched much of this but watched Argentina Wales this evening.
Argentina should be disqualified for that shirt collar
 
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oscillatewildly

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Only half way and been utterly spoilt with that quality.
And to think - The zenith of some peoples televisual entertainment this evening will amount to watching celebrities attempt a foxtrot.
 
Johnnythespider

Johnnythespider

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The winners will surely come from this game, Ireland behind all night, will they pinch it at the end
 
Otis

Otis

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oscillatewildly said:
Utterly baffling how some of you still slate this sport after that.
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It IS confusing..

That was definitely an exciting game, but the slightest infringement and it can be 3 points. It's almost like having a 3/4 penalty in football.

There also always is confusion amongst players when infringements are pulled up.

Rugby can be exciting, but it is also very frustrating.

The whole game seems to be played in a state of confusion and baffles, like the confusion around a handball offence in football.

I do like it though.
 
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oscillatewildly

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Otis said:
It IS confusing..

That was definitely an exciting game, but the slightest infringement and it can be 3 points. It's almost like having a 3/4 penalty in football.

There also always is confusion amongst players when infringements are pulled up.

Rugby can be exciting, but it is also very frustrating.

The whole game seems to be played in a state of confusion and baffles, like the confusion around a handball offence in football.

I do like it though.
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I didn't say I understood it completely myself! I played very briefly in my late teens/early 20's - and even then only 3rd 15's.
One thing I do appreciate though is that it's a game you have to have played to at least (partially) understand the rules. (And there have been constant rule changes since the 1980's) I've just about got a grasp of it and there are still 'grey areas'.
Where as with association football anybody can become an expert without ever having played and only ever viewing two highlight packages on TV.
 
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oscillatewildly

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Two things would change my opinion:

1. Rules that made sense or were at least explained

2. Dropping the inferiority complex towards football
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But it's very much still a 'minority' sport. How can we in the majority seriously claim a sense of 'inferiority' foisted upon us by the 'minority'?
Self imposed siege mentality perhaps?
Oh, you can kick it forwards (or head it :ROFLMAO:) but you have to handle it backwards and that's about it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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oscillatewildly said:
But it's very much still a 'minority' sport. How can we in the majority seriously claim a sense of 'inferiority' foisted upon us by the 'minority'?
Self imposed siege mentality perhaps?
Oh, you can kick it forwards (or head it :ROFLMAO:) but you have to handle it backwards and that's about it.
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Really? By my count:

‘Not releasing’ (despite being under a pack of 20 stone apes)

‘Not rolling away’ (see ‘not releasing’)

‘Coming in at the side’ (of what?)

‘Bringing down the scrum’

‘Rotating the scrum’ (doesn’t it do that anyway?)

‘Deliberate knock on’ (why would anyone do it deliberately?)

Then the commentators don’t explain the decisions and there sometimes won’t even be a little graphic to state what it’s for.
 
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oscillatewildly

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Really? By my count:

‘Not releasing’ (despite being under a pack of 20 stone apes)

‘Not rolling away’ (see ‘not releasing’)

‘Coming in at the side’ (of what?)

‘Bringing down the scrum’

‘Rotating the scrum’ (doesn’t it do that anyway?)

‘Deliberate knock on’ (why would anyone do it deliberately?)

Then the commentators don’t explain the decisions and there sometimes won’t even be a little graphic to state what it’s for.
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OK, like I said, it becomes a lot clearer if you've played the game (I did very briefly and I'm far from an expert but just appreciate it for having done so)
Once you are tackled it's in your best interest to conjure yourself into a position (backwards) so that a team mate can retain possession.
Sometimes it's difficult to do so and sometimes it's deliberate to allow (absent) team mate time to retrieve - that is considered foul play and a penalty awarded to the opposition (see 'grey area') The game has to continue as quickly as possible (both parties responsible) otherwise you would just end up with 80 minutes of pile on.
This covers 'not rolling away'.
The rule of offside is very much a part of rugby. As with 'goal hanging' in soccer, you generally are not permitted to be ahead of the ball when attacking. 'Coming in at the side' relates to the ruck - open play has broken down, been contested on the floor and there's a frantic scramble for possession - again it could descend into anarchy so a simple set of rules come into place - anybody joining has to do so from the rear (all of these breakdowns in play are forms of scrummaging) the 'marker' as it were is the rear placed foot of your rearmost team mate involved in the ruck - anything forward of that is considered offside (or 'entering from the side') you will never see somebody literally entering at the side.
As far as collapsing the scrum and all that shit is concerned, it's a mystery to me - Never got involved in any of that malarkey. I was as skinny as a rake back then so only ever played FB or on the wing.
'Deliberate knock on' relates to the opposition breaking down the oppositions attack when there was no chance of a genuine interception (professional foul in soccer - hand ball even. Remember - the ball has to be handled backwards except in the case of a charge down from a booted clearance.)
It really is a great sport albeit it littered with copious amounts of technicalities. And cauliflowered ears.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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oscillatewildly said:
OK, like I said, it becomes a lot clearer if you've played the game (I did very briefly and I'm far from an expert but just appreciate it for having done so)
Once you are tackled it's in your best interest to conjure yourself into a position (backwards) so that a team mate can retain possession.
Sometimes it's difficult to do so and sometimes it's deliberate to allow (absent) team mate time to retrieve - that is considered foul play and a penalty awarded to the opposition (see 'grey area') The game has to continue as quickly as possible (both parties responsible) otherwise you would just end up with 80 minutes of pile on.
This covers 'not rolling away'.
The rule of offside is very much a part of rugby. As with 'goal hanging' in soccer, you generally are not permitted to be ahead of the ball when attacking. 'Coming in at the side' relates to the ruck - open play has broken down, been contested on the floor and there's a frantic scramble for possession - again it could descend into anarchy so a simple set of rules come into place - anybody joining has to do so from the rear (all of these breakdowns in play are forms of scrummaging) the 'marker' as it were is the rear placed foot of your rearmost team mate involved in the ruck - anything forward of that is considered offside (or 'entering from the side') you will never see somebody literally entering at the side.
As far as collapsing the scrum and all that shit is concerned, it's a mystery to me - Never got involved in any of that malarkey. I was as skinny as a rake back then so only ever played FB or on the wing.
'Deliberate knock on' relates to the opposition breaking down the oppositions attack when there was no chance of a genuine interception (professional foul in soccer - hand ball even. Remember - the ball has to be handled backwards except in the case of a charge down from a booted clearance.)
It really is a great sport albeit it littered with copious amounts of technicalities. And cauliflowered ears.
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Fair play for trying, but also in so doing you’ve shown why it plays second fiddle to football. I was forced to play at school, mostly by PE teachers who insisted on having scrums every minute. That didn’t endear the game much to me either!
 
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oscillatewildly

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Fair play for trying, but also in so doing you’ve shown why it plays second fiddle to football. I was forced to play at school, mostly by PE teachers who insisted on having scrums every minute. That didn’t endear the game much to me either!
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I can count on one hand the amount of times we played the game in 5 years of secondary school sports lessons. I hated the game - not helped by being absolutely football mad even back then so even the absolute briefest of interruptions to the expected game of football was met with derision.
I played rugby literally by chance - joined the army early 1980's, couldn't get into the (sub unit within the regiment) football team and there was little interest in getting an organised second XI going altho plenty of scratch games on Wednesday afternoons or weekends.
Rugby was a different matter with so many Yorkshire and Cornishmen in the sqn.
I was intrigued but they always seemed to have better and more organised piss ups too.
Three teams - within the sub unit!
 
Otis

Otis

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oscillatewildly said:
I can count on one hand the amount of times we played the game in 5 years of secondary school sports lessons. I hated the game - not helped by being absolutely football mad even back then so even the absolute briefest of interruptions to the expected game of football was met with derision.
I played rugby literally by chance - joined the army early 1980's, couldn't get into the (sub unit within the regiment) football team and there was little interest in getting an organised second XI going altho plenty of scratch games on Wednesday afternoons or weekends.
Rugby was a different matter with so many Yorkshire and Cornishmen in the sqn.
I was intrigued but they always seemed to have better and more organised piss ups too.
Three teams - within the sub unit!
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I played rugby at school and once scored a wonder try.

The ball came loose on the floor and I kicked it and ran after it and as it kept bobbling, I dribbled it football style all the way to the line, some 50 yards, and then dived on the ball to score a try

I was pleased as punch with myself, only to then have the teacher give me a rollicking for not picking the ball up. 🤷
 
Otis

Otis

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Macca said:
Because the rules of football are crystal clear these days
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No, I agree with that bit, but that's very recent. They did used to make sense.

The handball rule now is an absolute joke.

You watch a rugby game and see how many times the players seek confused when penalities are given.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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I watched both games yesterday and enjoyed them but I didnt know what was going on half the time!.
One of my mates is a big rugby fan, played it when he was younger, watches it all the time and watches his grandson play and even he isn't sure of the rules!
 
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